I wasn’t suggesting you capitulate.

You think you have rights until there’s a gun in your face, that’s the whole point, you get it worse if you don’t capitulate because standing up to them is the biggest most unforgivable crime there is.

It’s like part of me wants to follow MLK’s way of doing things but then 5 minutes later it’s “welp. Guess we’re doing it Malcom X’s way instead.” Then I have to sit there and remind myself that violence only begets violence and sooner or later history will look back and say “nobody remembers why the fighting started, just that it did and that it’s been going ever since.”

Then take one for the team.

Very easy to go on an internet message board and beat your chest and say you won’t break.

Very difficult to take an actual beating.

Once you give in to any kind of violence … the violence only becomes worse for everyone.

“I won’t break under torture” is a sentiment held briefly by untold numbers of torture victims.

Non-whites have never been police, never talked to police, never voted for the Evil Party and shouldn’t be included at all in advice to not be evil, misguided or duped.

Fuck your lack of standards. If you come here as a refugee, great. If you then rape someone or murder someone we shouldn’t pay for your imprisonment. We should kick you back to the place you were fleeing and let them figure out what to do with you.

That’s not entirely the proper response.

I hate that I’ve already posted the video twice so I’m not going to do it again because I don’t want to get marked for spam lol, but check my comment history if you got a minute to see a few lawyers describe what to do.

In essence though, if it’s a door knock don’t even answer it. There’s nothing good on the other side of that door, and in that scenario there are only two options for them: either they can get a warrant, in which case they’re coming in anyway with or without your consent so it doesn’t even matter, or if they don’t have one (far more likely) then they can go pound sand for all I care. If I’m not legally obligated to answer that door then I’m not going to.

If it’s a traffic stop, it’s a simple amount of phrasing but amounts that are very important to say to exercise your rights. If being asked questions unrelated to the quoted traffic violation, a simple “I’m not discussing my day”. If they continue asking questions, ask “Am I being detained or am I free to go”. This forces them to either only engage in the stop as needed or, if they do detain, at this point the mystery is now gone and they have to handle things by the book: meaning you are informed that you are being detained, it is for xyz reason of belief, then at this point you can state that you “invoke the fifth” (must be said, but you have the right to not answer questions and not self-incriminate), and then you STFU. If said detainment was ever escalated from there to the point of being thrown in the back of the squad car, it’s at this point that you could then request an attorney at the station and IIRC they must provide one. It will likely be an overworked public defendant attorney, but to answer the question there you go.

TLDR Don’t be the soverign citizen immediately starting with “I want a lawyer am I detained am I free to go” as soon as they walk up to the window, but know your rights and when to execute them in order. These rights apply to all people in America by the way, not just citizens, so keep that in mind and don’t let feds try to scare you into thinking you don’t have these kinds of rights. You do.

(I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice from a lawyer, just a local dumbass on the internet, but this is to my knowledge factual information.)

I think usually people just call a friend or family member and ask them to find one.

Or contact ACLU (for USA) and ask them to help you find one.

Or if your income is low, demand a public defender, you can always get a different lawyer after you are out on bail (if you could afford it, that is, otherwise you’d have to deal with the public defender, just don’t be rude to your public defender, they are still qualified lawyers, just with higher workload)

Remember, the “only one call” rule is a hollywood thing, but if the person you are calling is not a lawyer, the calls can be legally recorded.

And you would be sitting in a cell awaiting arraignment, the exact place the police want people who do not cooperate with authority.

I never said to actually provide the police with any information. The whole point of having a lawyer is that they get to handle the heat.

With an attorney present saying that you won’t cooperate isn’t a crime. All you’ll have to say is, sorry I would like to help but I’ve been advised by my legal representation to not speak to you.

You took ‘more resistance’ as simply a numbers game when it’s clear to anyone paying attention that ‘white folk’ are simply willing to engage in much higher levels of violence for their cause.

The black panthers armed themselves, unionists had pitched battles with police and mercenaries, and hung them.

But go ahead and demonise people based on race. That’s working out really well in the US right now lol

Since generally there are at least a few assholes around who will totally enjoy the “power” of fucking somebody else’s life and often the assholes don’t even behave like assholes in every day life (because they usually don’t have the power to be assholes with impunity) so one might not even be aware of their low moral characters, merelly a “if you this to not get involved you won’t be helping the Fascists” line of advice is not enough.

There has to be something beyond that, at the very least so that wannabe assholes fear being spotted and suffering reprisals if they do act like assholes, which if you want to make it as above the Law as possible (rather than merelly “I know which car you drive and it would be a shame if it got damaged overnight”) does require some form of involving the community to create a perception that those who rat will get into trouble with the rest.

The problem is not simply solved or even significantly so with a mere “don’t tell the pigs anything” (i.e. “Do No Evil”), even though those who act thus do gain the moral high ground by acting like that.

I’m sorry that I myself am not really offering a concrete solution, and my contribution is just pointing out that a Passive-Aggressive approach won’t really do much more than slightly delay the Fascists and their dogs.