This will be like Netflix pushing against shared accounts, sure it will work and their revenue will go up, but I will stop being a paying customer and will only watch videos from my notebook with adblocks.
I cancelled Netflix when they did the sharing bullshit and I cancelled prime when they wanted MORE money to not give me ads. Fuck that.
However, you and I seem to be in the minority since these mega corps push one bullshit after another and people just bend over and go “please use lube this time…”
So is it YouTube family or YouTube household?
Either way, probably need to setup site to site VPN and route YouTube traffic through a central location, if you can block geolocation.
I use a VPN so yeah that’s not going to work.
I suspect Google won’t care if they “accidentally” lock VPN users out of YouTube Premium.
Considering 50% of gen Z use vpns, I think they might need to reconsider
Just like Netflix
YT Premium recently updated their terms to include a provision requiring that the majority of your use be from your home country. YT saw how everyone sucked the Netflix teat when they killed sharing, and now they want a piece too.
God forbid you have a parent who’s living away from home for work purposes who’s using that subscription
Yeah and you are also already paying for a set number of people that can use the account so why would it make a difference where they live? My brother is still my family even if we don’t live in the same state. They didn’t call it a household plan
They don’t care about whether they live with you or not. It’s about providing less service than what you’re paying for. Like how mobile carriers say, “unlimited data*” – *after 25GB, we [may] slow your connection speed to 256kbps. So this way, it’s “5 accounts*” – *they must physically live with you. So now you’re paying for 5 accounts, where 3 or 4 of them technically are unusable.
Why? Money. Those other people who you would have shared with now need to get their own account(s). Suddenly, “profits are through the roof!” – until the next big squeeze. At this point, Google is squeezing its customers like a dry tube of toothpaste.
Gotta give it to them. They are extremely innovative in coming up with ways of enshitifying stuff.
Why pay for premium anyway? Let alone a family plan. You still get ads. They can be skipped too — SponsorBlock will do it for free. Google could use this but chooses not to.
They want YouTube to be like cable TV. You pay for it. You watch ads. You pay more for premium channels.
YouTube is my only subscription.
I use it for Music and Video. I definitely get my money’s worth, they’re streaming to me at least 8 hours a day.
If it’s not background music, it’s videos. I can’t even fathom how many hours of ads I have avoided.
same here, but even I’m looking to cancel both to avoid supporting a US company and because they’re making my experience worse by having a shitty user experience
I’ve never seen a single youtube ad with uBlock Origin. SponsorBlock takes care of most of the sponsored segments that a premium youtube account won’t get rid of.
You don’t get ads. You pay less than double what two premiums cost and your household can share.
I have YouTube premium and have not gotten any ads.
YouTube is fucking garbage.
I don’t care about the ads because it’s fucking garbage, and why would I watch garbage?
I pay for it. No ads. Background playing on mobile, and YouTube music included.
NewPipe does this for free
I just pirate it
Pirate… what?
Videos from YouTube
How does one pirate free videos? Is there somebody uploading torrents of YouTube videos?
How have you never heard of yt-dlp?
Yt-dlp doesn’t pirate YouTube videos… it downloads them directly from YouTube.
when all the videos get put behind login walls and drm, perhaps someone will.
I’m in a family plan, so when this change hits, going to have to find alternative methods.
So you’re using SponsorBlock as well, or you’re watching videos without sponsors.
In-video sponsors are not even remotely the same thing as the ads YouTube puts on videos, but that being said no I’m not using SponsorBlock. YouTube premium has a button to skip in-video sponsors so I don’t need sponsor block.
I dont pay for it, use grayjay or firefox with ad block, I have no ads, background playing on mobile and I could care less about YouTube music.
Background playing on mobile
The fact that they put this behind a paywall is enough for me to never pay them a dime.
I found a neat little workaround that I used for a while. I’d load the video up in my browser, turn the phone on an off a couple times, press play on the lock screen, and enjoy it that way.
Edit:
Still works. Just gotta full screen the video and then power off before it kills picture in picture.
@interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml gave me a really good suggestion the other day. If youre on Firefox, it might work for you too :)
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-background-play-fix/
I just have the video running on Firefox and can them go to another App / turn off the screen
I use NewPipe on my phone (and FreeTube on my laptop)
Most certainly off-topic, but I have found other cool workarounds for apps.
For instance, if you open 2 windows of, say, PowerPoint (1 you want to use, the other you must close after; read below). Then, go to the one you don’t want to use (or at least one you use for this method), and wait for the no account/Office not bought/whatever pop up; in any case, do NOT close the pop up. Open the other PowerPoint, and then close the former. If done right, you’ll be pleasantly surprised that it works perfectly! After that, you can open any additional ppt files. Do note that, after you close PowerPoint entirely, you gotta do this all over again.
I found a little workaround called Newpipe.
I’ll check it out. Thank you.
I do too but the value is waning. When I try to watch without having logged in and see all the ads, that add some value back
In what scenario are you watching it without being logged in?
Go to a family member’s house and try to show them something on YT.
Cringe in horror at the experience.
I am aware of how bad logged out YouTube is, that’s why don’t do it lol.
Not the person you asked, but I do that sometimes. For instance, when I want to watch a specific video but I don’t want having watched it to affect other video recommendations.
Incognito window =)
I don’t know if this actually does what I hope it does, but if I happen to watch a video that I don’t want recommendations on in the future, I manually delete the video from my watch history.
I don’t know if that really helps, but at least as a placebo it feels good to do.
I pay for it, also no ads except the sponsor plugs, which are pretty easy to skip. Overall a better experience than the non premium. I don’t live in the USA so my cost is like $5/month.
I’m on my brother’s premium. I told myself if my brother stopped wanting to pay for it I’d pay for it myself because I hate ads that much.
On the other hand, if Youtube itself takes it away from me I’m going to just stop watching Youtube.
Revance if you’re on android man. I mean I pay for premium but I still use it to patch the app at least.
On desktop, check out VacuumTube which is app that acts as a wrapper for YouTube Leanback (tv/console version) and has ad blocking built in.
Amazon is doing the exact same thing. Just got an email today that they’re shutting down the family Prime sharing thing. Had that for ten years now.
What?!
Yeah, sucks. Give this a read.
I really think corporations are starting to overplay their hands here. People don’t need Prime as much as Amazon thinks they do, people don’t need YouTube as much as Google thinks they do, and so on. Especially in the case of YT, yeah, turns out it’s easy to compete when your service is free. But once it gets freemium enough, things like Peertube start to take a place on the optimal frontier. Right now Peertube only competes with YouTube if you’re sensitive to the dimension of a service being centralized or not, most people don’t give a shit about that. But the dimension of cost and ads? Enshittify YouTube too much and suddenly Peertube has its place for anyone who cares about money or time (i.e everyone).
And Prime? Don’t think people won’t start just going to stores again, or buying directly from producers. At least if I go to an actual website to buy my stuff I don’t need to worry about getting ripped off by some drop-ship fake brand garbage.
People love their little conveniences and will try to hang on to them, sure…but I think this could really start to backfire if they push it much further.
Shipping is still free if orders are over $35. Add to cart, order when you have enough. Their 2 day shipping has become bs these days anyhow. “It’s 2 days from when the order is processed.” I bought the shit, money came out of my account, it’s processed. I have made a legal exchange with the expectation that your mutli billion company can place an order and box shit near immediately from 50+ warehouses. I order in the morning, and you’re telling me it took you 2 days to get that order with a preprinted label onto a truck?
I think it’s important to keep expectations realistic though…
in the case of Youtube there are very few groups/companies/whatever that could keep up with that kind of bandwidth. Federation helps here but it’s still a pretty niche thing for 99% of people who don’t know/care and just want their social media/forum/video site to work.
Yeah no denying YouTube is particularly hard to replace, hence why there’s been nary a competitor even after all this time. I think paying for server upkeep could be a model that ekes out a victory…it would be drastically cheaper to users, and would come without ads or any of that other annoying junk. Ultimately someone needs to pay the bills, so it’s not like I even blame YouTube for making you choose between ads or subscriptions. It’s just when they push it further than that, always further, forever further and further…
I’ve been using Nebula, and I dig it. It’s owned by the creators and there’s no algorithm. Only sucks you can’t really share since it’s all paywalled. They have a guest pass but the person has to sign up so I doubt people would bother.
Fuck GOOG for normalizing surveillance capitalism
Fuck YouTube in particular for making it basically impossible to usefully host an Invidious proxy any more and for their algorithmic manipulationPeerTube is the Way
A big problem with peertube is monetization. There should be some sort of mechanism that’d do that automatically. Otherwise there won’t be much content ever. Don’t get me wrong, I’m really happy that it exists but just don’t see it replacing even few % of YouTube as it is.
If you want monetization and scalability, you’re gonna have to get ads. Ad-free subscription services that actually benefit the creators are exceedingly rare. Very few people (less than 0.1%) are “making it” on Patreon and the like. The bitter truth is that most users can’t afford to financially support their favorite creators, and damn near zero creators could get the level of exposure needed to be sustainable without an ad-based platform backing them.
Video hosting is expensive af. Ultimately, small-time content creation is completely dependent on corporate benefactors. This is why every video platform that’s tried to compete against YouTube has failed. Nebula is trying, but that’s only useful to creators who fit within its specific niche.
I’m not saying this as a vote of support for the current system. Just an observation of how the market has played out so far.
Ad-free subscription services that actually benefit the creators are exceedingly rare.
Believe it or not, YouTube Premium is one of them. A Premium view is worth more than an ad-supported view to a creator.
(Obviously Patreon is better, as they can’t make a living off of only Premium views because it’s a smaller group; the population of ad-supported users is much much larger. But YouTube Premium does benefit the creators more than ad-supported YouTube does.)
you’re gonna have to get ads
I don’t think that necessarily follows.
Have you heard of self-hosted Patreon-similar Ghost ?
No, and neither has anybody else. Not saying that to be rude or dismissive, but just using their own numbers on the front page to paint a picture. They have ~3,000 paying members as of right now. Patreon has over 10,000,000 paying members, and even then only a tiny, tiny fraction of their creators are actually sustainable.
Paid subscription services like this are a great idea, in theory; I’d love to get away from ad-supported platforms. But the truth is that they just don’t work for all but a few lucky people.
YT also has a “tiny, tiny fraction” of creators that make a living there. There are many, but there are also gargantuan numbers of people never going beyond a handfull views because they can’t reach their audience without paying or LUCK. No saying you’re wrong though.
That’s 100% true, but YT also foots the bill that creators would otherwise be responsible for when it comes to just the basics. Free hosting/distribution of high res full-length videos, globally accessible, with a player app that is actively developed and maintained, a recommendation algorithm to put your content in front of viewers’ eyes… That, alone, has tremendous value for a creator that they really can’t get anywhere else without paying out of pocket. All of those things would have to otherwise be paid for/maintained by the creators. While it’s not a direct payment, YT relieves a huge burden for creators.
It sucks because it keeps creators’ success dependent on corporate oligarchs. But at the same time, it’s also great because it gives them a fighting chance to get started.
True, yes. But there’s also vimeo and the federated services like (forgot the name because I rarely consume any video anywhere). It’s not just YouTube. People just use it because they don’t know the others or just want to be famous (for reasons beyond me but that’s besides the point)
That is correct. Though I guess that there aren’t more than 0.1% on yt that are “making it”. You just don’t see the vids that got 5 views since 2004 or the millions of ppl that so dread to be someone yet never gain traction.
And you know when exactly YouTube went total ape-shit? The moment people could earn some meager bucks. Then shitty content flooded the whole platform until it was full of crap and actual good content got harder and harder to find in that pile of “you might wanna see this” Nowadays i see the frontpage, sigh in disgust and close the page. And I haven’t even seen an ad there yet. This would be the cherry on top
Shallow content comes from trying to manipulate the recommendations algorithm and “go viral”. Without a recommendations algorithm, the incentive disappears.
The front page is a direct reflection of the content you engage with.
Not in my case. I watch one vid per year or so, and I block everything google. They don’t know jack.
And props to the dedicated folks still running Invidious instances like https://yewtu.be/
Monetization itself is the problem.
Where would the money come from?
I’d be perfectly fine with some sort of subscription. That gets distributed to authors I watch. But I can see technical challenges to it.
Netflix trend
My entire extended family shares a single household and a single Internet connection. /s
Ahh classic, punishing paying costumers while pirates don’t have to deal with any of this shit. I guess the beatings will continue until profits increase!
punishing paying costumers
Time to dress up as a pirate I guess.
It’s called Premium Family, not Premium Household for fuck’s sake.
I’m willing to bet my left nut that they will rename it as such in the future.
“There aren’t enough seeds for these AI training data torrents we’ve been downloading. Anybody got any ideas?”
Well fuck. It never crossed my mind that YouTube would do this since I don’t view it the same as other traditional streaming services. This will really suck for my friends who I’ve happily let mooch off my plan for years.
You pay a scammer to scam you and wonder why you get scammed? Their course was clear the moment they ditched their slogan “don’t be evil”. And here we are, again.
