• ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
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    1 year ago

    Your daily reminder that as a matter of fact, international law means pretty much nothing. It’s funny to me that people still keep bringing it up.

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      1 year ago

      If that’s how you feel, then all laws mean pretty much nothing. The only reason any of it matters, is if we all agree to abide by them. Technically, anyone can commit any crime, at any time. The rest of us need to hold those people accountable, or as you said…none of it matters.

      • ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
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        1 year ago

        Laws aren’t a matter of public consensus (although public consensus is one way of determining what should be illegal). They’re meaningful if men with guns show up and use force against someone who breaks them.

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            1 year ago

            You could say that about any law, not just “international”.

            Look at how laws are applied in your country and you’ll probably find them disproportionately applied against the poor over the rich.

            We can’t just set and forget laws. If you want them enforced justly, you need to be active in your political environment and elect people who will do that.

            If you want international law applied to the US, you need to elect politicians who would be willing to push for sanctions against them until they comply.

            Or if you’re American, vote for politicians who actually respect the international community.

            • алсааас [she/her]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              1 year ago

              That’s a really naive take TBH, bourgeois “democracies” are designed in such a way that whatever you do, in virtually all cases you can only elect representatives of capital…

              ELectoralism and reformism are impotent at handling systemic problems and injustises

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          1 year ago

          Only tangibly related but

          All laws are made up, no matter how much your try force authoritarian rule people will always have the the inherent freedom to oppose.

          The sooner we realize the natural anarchy of individuals the sooner we can replace build in forced compliance with build in aligned mutual interests.

          People who have no interest in “committing wrong” usually don’t commit too many wrongs.

  • melsaskca@lemmy.ca
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    1 year ago

    The orange bloated bloviator is bad enough but to have that dark little strange monster hovering in the background seems somehow worse.

  • febra@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    The US has always been this parasitic, lawless, warmongering shithole of a country. Bush did it, Obama did it, Biden did it, Trump did it. Every single president before them did it. As someone who despises the US hegemony, I’m glad this administration is showing the world what the US has always been. This will just make it easier for us across the globe to discredit the US lackeys in our individual countries.

  • HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth
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    1 year ago

    I’m pretty sure if someone gave Vance a gun, he would start shooting the cleaning staff at the WH. He sounds like a coked out lunatic who hears voices making fun of him.

    This is why I’m not convinced when people say maga won’t fall in line behind this guy. They want blood, they don’t care how it’s spilled. They’re foaming at the mouth rabid for it, and Vance promises to deliver.

  • Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works
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    1 year ago

    You could make a very strong argument that a cartel member is a member of a militant group, they certainly use many of the same tactics

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              1 year ago

              I think you’re missing the point there.

              You can’t just eschew justice because cartels - but we both know they won’t come quietly.

              You do the trial in absentia, then send a team to go ‘pick him up’ if he really does come quietly, he’ll go to prison, but we all know that’s not how it’ll go down.

          • Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works
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            1 year ago

            Given the tactics cartels use to defend their turf and keep others in line, they’re one group of people I don’t really have an issue with being executed.

            They’re worse than a lot of terrorist organisations.

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      1 year ago

      You could make a very strong argument that the cartel is something for the country itself to deal with, or rely on help through organisations like INTERPOL and not just have the US decide it’s murder time for a random civillian they have no evidence on.

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      1 year ago

      If you have a proper judicial process, some mistakes are caught. On the other hand, extra judicial killings have no recourse for mistakes.

      Even the best processes and well intentioned humans make mistakes. Extra judicial process is a recipe for humanitarian disaster.

      Unknown number of innocent people will be murdered in cold blood without remorse if such a policy is adopted.

        • sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz
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          Except that they have in the past. Coast guard shows up in a big ass boat with guns, they don’t fight back. If drugs are found, they are confiscated, people are interrogated, leads to the organizational structure are worked on, etc. This was just murder. There is a strong reason for due process.