• Katana314@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Why do they keep trying to fuzz the terminology?

    Zionists and Jews are not the same thing. They have very little in common.

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      10 months ago

      Because they’re dishonest; unfortunately, it’s very effective in shutting down public conversations about what’s happening over there.

  • 9point6@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Let’s see, so we have

    Free Palestine, a group that wants to stop the genocide and promote the freedom of Palestinians being murdered through no result of their own actions beyond simply existing.

    The KKK, a group who expressly want to genocide and oppress the freedom of anyone non-white for just simply existing.

    Jerry, you’re telling on yourself here a bit

    • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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      10 months ago

      The KKK claims the Jews are doing a white genocide. Are you a genocide denier if you don’t believe the claims of the KKK?

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        10 months ago

        So you’re saying the only people claiming theres a genocide are Hamas?

        Ahh okay, zionazi.

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          10 months ago

          No I wasn’t saying you’re like Hamas. I’m saying you’re like the KKK LOL.

          Pay attention!

    • resipsaloquitur@lemmy.worldBanned
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      10 months ago

      I mean, he spent decades trying to rehabilitate his pal Kramer after he melted down and shouted the n-word at members of his audience.

      Now he’s saying he’s okay with genocide as long as the victims are brown or the wrong religion and they have real estate he’d like.

      Seems like he’s consistent.

      • blitzen@lemmy.ca
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        10 months ago

        The Michael Richards incident was a literal one time event, albeit a terrible one. There were zero instances before and zero instances after that suggest Richards is racist. Everything since then Michaels has done suggests he’s exceedingly remorseful over it.

        I am not excusing it in the least, but I don’t think it’s even close to fair to compare him to someone currently supporting the genocide in Palestine.

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                10 months ago

                I’m not saying Ricards was funny, I’m saying there is a difference on the baddie scale between someone who vocally and current supports genocide and someone who said something racist once twenty years ago.

                • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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                  10 months ago

                  Nuance, man. Some people just can’t compare qualitatively and can’t understand nuance.

                  Like the stein voters who couldn’t do harm reduction and just three their votes in the chipper.

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          10 months ago

          You don’t really throw a racial slur “just one time”; but when you try to not use it in public, one slip up happens.

      • MonkRome@lemmy.world
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        10 months ago

        I actually think you hit the nail on the head with persecution complex. He likely grew up experiencing antisemitism, I know I did and I’m younger than him. But he became incredibly privileged. Since being persecuted is core to his younger identity, he doubles down on the idea that he is persecuted. I see this frequently with people that are newly rich, they can’t accept their new privilege as a shift in their identity, so they double down on an old identity.

        It’s the same issue with Dave Chappelle, who used to be more conscious of -isms, but is dishonest about any other bigotry but anti-black bigotry since he became ultra wealthy. He needs to focus on anti-blackness over all else because if he doesn’t he just becomes another privileged dude in a broken system (in his mind). It’s about protecting your self image of a victim after becoming one of the privileged.

        Also Seinfeld is a groomer creep.

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          10 months ago

          I will say this and it is not in an anti-jewish way, I myself have Jewish roots.

          But the Jewish culture, religion, whatever the hell you want to call it, has persecution baked into the very identity.

          I’m not going to sit here and be callous, and try to deny that Jewish people have suffered. But most of the persecution complex is based on a history which is complete mythology, and not in alignment with any observable reality.

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    10 months ago

    “The KKK is a little better than Free Palestine. The crisp white robes? The anonymity? They’re basically racist laundry!”

    funky slap bass

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    10 months ago

    “By saying ‘Free Palestine,’ you’re not admitting what you really think,” said Seinfeld, who publicly embraces his Jewish heritage and has pushed back against critics of Israel.

    “Just say you don’t like Jews,” he said in reference to the movement, before comparing its supporters to members of the KKK.

    In that spirit, Jerry, maybe you should say what YOU really mean. You’re a genocide apologist. Embrace it instead of putting words in other peoples mouths.

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      10 months ago

      Nah, just have him say what he thinks about Palestinians and muslims. The rest follows.

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      10 months ago

      Calling critics of a state and a polity racists is some high level bullshit

      Did you criticise the Nazis? Pretty sure that means you hate all modern day Germans /s

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      10 months ago

      In retrospect, Seinfeld was a very dark show. Somewhere on YouTube there is an insightful little video essay about how the first few seasons of the show are basically the story of how Elaine, a perfectly decent person, gets drawn into their little circle and over time adopts their awful selfishness and sociopathic behavior to try to fit in. How most of the problems of the show are caused by their selfishness and dishonesty, and often involve significant harm coming to someone else, and they don’t care.

      I can’t even remember which comedian it is, but someone had a bit about how the darkest joke he ever heard was a Seinfeld bit about being at the movie theater and just throwing his drink on the ground at the end for someone else to clean up. Like it’s a small thing, but the guy talking about it was genuinely alarmed by the depth of how far he genuinely just doesn’t give a fuck and doesn’t mind if you know it.

  • phoenixarise@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Jerry Seinfeld has always been a pompous piece of shit. Fuck him and his unfunny horsefaced “comedy”.

    Oh, and he fucked a teenager at the height of his show. Release the files.

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      10 months ago

      This is the truth. Once he got money, he turned into the asshole he was always wanted to be and oh, what an asshole he’s blossomed into.

      Now he’s added piece of shit who likes genocide AND is entirely brain damaged about what the KKK does and has done.

      Pretty solid work to show that you’re a piece of shit, like murder and have zero clue about the KKK all in one go.

      If this country is going up in flames, can we put the boomers on the front line? They love to talk a big game, let them live up to their own hype.

  • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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    10 months ago

    The problem with activist groups that spring up online is there’s no leadership to keep it focused on it’s goals.

    There’s a one-upmanship that happens where everyone is competing to get attention for themselves regardless of whether it hurts their movement. One person hates Netanyahu (understandable) the next hates the soldiers participating in the war and that gets more attention. The next hates anyone that has ever been in the IDF, gets the attention, so the next hates everyone in Israel. On and on it goes until we start seeing people hate any business that has ever had any association with Israel, and any political group with any association. Eventually gets so that only way to get attention is to express hatred of all Jews. Just have to use the word Zionist (no different to how white supremacist types use Globalist) so you can avoid association with the Nazis.

    And what was this movement originally about? Helping Palestinians? How does deplorable behaviour help Palestinians? It doesn’t. But it get attention, it gets internet clout which can be monetized.

    The Free Palestine Movement is no longer a movement that’s helping Palestinians in any way. It’s just a hate group full of attention whores.

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      10 months ago

      Yes. If you’re part of the IDF and aren’t trying to minimize your effect and get the hell out, you’re a bad person.

      The US has never had mandatory service in my life time, but when I was called to serve in Bush II’s wars, I was proud to refuse.

      If the Free Palestine Movement had a central origination, you’d just be criticizing that instead. BLM sort of had a central origination that was misusing funds, but the decentralize aspects never really lost focus.

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        I’m not talking about an organization, I’m talking about actual leadership. There’s a difference. There’s no Martin Luthor King for the Free Palestine movement, there isn’t anyone that can call out the bad actors who are manipulating the movement for their own ends.

        The BLM movement as you mentioned got associated with a shady organization. There wasn’t a respected leader that can say “we have nothing to do with that shady organization” so it was kinda convincing to some. But since there were enough existing leaders from the Civil Rights era and politicians to explain it, the message got across well enough to many people.

        The Free Palestine movement doesn’t have anyone that can do that. There was no one within the movement brave enough to denouce Hamas the day after October 7, so the movement is associated with Hamas. Which means it’s associated with the genocidal acts of Hamas. So the constant screams about genocide by the movement sound hypocritical to any bystanders. There were a few politicians like AOC that had sympathy for the movement that were harrassed for failing to pass the purity tests of the worst people in the movement. The Free Palestine movement is unable to form alliances with anyone. It’s carcinogenic to mainstream politics because no one can trust those within the movement to not say something overtly antisemitic. And those fears are confirmed when people in the movement talk endlessly about it being the Jews preventing them speaking at an event.

        It’s gotten to the point where I don’t think it’s possible for there to be a leader of this movement now. It’s not possible to pass the purity tests of the radicals that want to be more radical than everyone else.

        The game of one-upmanship has made the Free Palestine movement is completely out of touch with the rest of the world. There’s protests at syngogues, harrassment campaigns against holocaust museums and somehow y’all believe the rationalizations about these actions not being antisemitic. Nobody outside your little group believes those rationalizations.

        You’re just a hate group to the people that don’t frequent your online forums.

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          What bad action do you think is happening? The “constant screams about genocide” are because the genocide is constant. You’re throwing around the world “hypocritical” like it has no meaning. Even if you disagree with the group, what have they done that would make then hypocritical? Being the first person to call someone a hypocrite isn’t an instant win for internet arguments.

  • BeBopALouie@lemmy.ca
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    10 months ago

    Who, oh ya that soso comedian that got lucky with a tv show about nothing.

    Useless twat.

  • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip
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    10 months ago

    Does he have any respect left?

    Honestly…like…who still thinks Jerry Seinfeld is a good person? Jerry Springer is a better person.

    Who’d think that George would be the most respectable of the group 30 years later.

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          10 months ago

          Yeah that’s the last I’d heard as well. Michael Richards and Seinfeld can go eat a bag of dicks but as far as JLD and Jason Alexander they’re fine AFAIK

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            Even Jerry’s dentist ended up becoming a meth kingpin, and his mailman was involved in a corporate espionage scheme that ended up killing a bunch of people.

            What’s the worst thing Jason Alexander did? Let his kid sneak an orangutan into a 5-star hotel? Big deal.

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        10 months ago

        Well, she was a billionaire before the show even started. She’s an heiress to a massive family fortune.