Have yall thought that it’s maybe possible he did it not because he’s a Nazi, but to troll people and spark outrage?
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Are you implying that I’m saying what he did is based? If so - you are very wrong. I’m just trying to say that while 2 things can be BAD - one can still be worse. Is that so hard to comprehend?
He probably did it to troll people and spark outrage but that does not mean that he isn’t also a Nazi / fascist.
I also think he did it for lolz and outrage, but I kinda doubt he’s really a Nazi. idk
Who cares if he did it to troll or is actually a Nazi? Either way he’s a rich person with immense power signalling that he might be, and that’s just as bad. Emboldening Nazis as a troll gives them cover to “joke” about it as well.
Also, he was in Germany recently defending Nazis, so he’s definitely a Nazi.
That’s reasonable. I still have my doubts about him being a Nazi tho.
If you’re seriously not convinced and willing to have your mind changed, watch the Some More News video, Elon’s Hitler Problem. Either musk is a Nazi, or he’s just signalling suuuuuuuuuuper hard over a long period of time that he might be a Nazi.
At some point, you stop wearing a mask and that’s just your face
Maybe you are right. I just find it hard to believe.
What does this mean? “At some point, you stop eating a may and that’s just your face”
He’d still be a piece of shit for throwing a Nazi salute during the inauguration of a US president.
There’s zero excuse for him to do this, stop defending fascists.
Sure. But is it the same level of bad if the was trolling vs if he was actually a Nazi. I would argue both are bad, but one is def worse. I wholeheartedly believe that you are completely wacko if you think both are equal.
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Why are you dodging? We are not arguing if he is trolling or not anymore. I have completely shifted the argument towards determining if trolling with a nazi salute (if he was hypothetically trolling) was equally as bad as him being a Nazi.
Please go back and read my comments above.
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Thank you. That’s all I was arguing. Was that so hard?
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That would be just as concerning. Next he might build death camps to troll the libs with that bad taste of humor
Trolling with a Nazi salute would be “just as concerning” as him actually being a nazi? Do you even know what you just said?
Yes, someone who murders for the fun of it scares me even more than just a plain murderer.
Do you know that you just defended someone doing the fascist salute?
Huh? So you are essentially saying that someone doing a Nazi salute as a troll is JUST AS BAD as actually being a Nazi and doing Nazi things? You can’t be for real.
Note: I’m not saying that he is def just trolling, but it seems like it to me personally. I’m not here to defend Nazis or anything like that. I’m simply trying to figure out if you really genuinely believe that a Nazi salute as a troll (hypothetically) is just as bad as actually being a Nazi. To me personally one if def worse than the other.
And more to the point, no one stumbles into an extreme-right event, gives a hyper reactionary speech, and does two nazi salutes by mistake.
The media that’s helping Musk gaslight everyone should be ashamed of themselves.
Just went to LinkedIn just to see bottom of the barrel bootlickers defending him.
” He’s autistic”, ” that picture is taken out of context”, ” it’s a Roman salute”, ” look at these out of context pictures of other politicians making the gesture”, ” how can he be a Nazi if he supports Israel?”
No he did a full on deliberate Nazi salute at a far right event.
The Roman salute is also known as the fascist salute. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_salute
It’s the oath of the Horatii and asterix - both well known for being reliable historical sources
there is no proof in roman writing or painting of this salute, there is no doubt about Musolinis fascist movement using it in 1919 and later the german nazis adopting it
I’m genuinely curious: who the fuck defends Elon and Nazis on LinkedIn? Are we so far divided as a country that it’s ok to associate employment with a penchant for Nazism?
Probably simps who can’t accept that Elon isn’t the real life Tony Stark they thought him to be.
And nazis don’t forget the nazis
Is there any difference at this point?
I’m autistic, I’ve never done this gesture. Everyone’s different, of course, but I’ve never seen anyone at all do this by accident. I’ve seen the defence that it’s a “from my heart to yours” gesture, but if that was true, it would be palm up. Palm up is the giving gesture. Palm down is a saluting gesture.
Yeah, excusing it by saying he’s autistic is ableist by itself. We’re not incapable of understanding dog whistles or concepts, you know?
Especially when people in the same breath call Elon a genius. You can’t have it both ways. Either he’s clueless and shouldn’t be in a position of power, or he’s actually a nazi… and shouldn’t be in a position of power
This dude practiced in front of a mirror.
Completely agree. High five!!! Oh shit. Shit shit shit I forgot How tall I am.
Just a joke. Not defending just a joke. That little weasel doesn’t even have the balls to be an actual Nazi. Nazis are bad but He’s pretending to be a Nazi and denying it. That’s… Somehow… Worse. “Say what you want about the tenets of Nazis, atleast it’s an ethos”
The Nazis had great fashion sense as well. I mean, they murdered millions and all, but looked fantastic doing it.
This new crop has the fashion sense of a neckbeard living in a college dorm.
If you’re going to trample the rights of my loved ones and myself, at least have the decency to wear some spiffy shiny leather boots and accessorize with some skull jewelry.
Framing being a Nazi as having a defining rubric of out and proud suggests a false spectrum linking being brave and cowardly to a range between Nazi and Not Nazi. It’s more of a boolean function. A Nazi coward hiding in linen cupboard and an audacious Nazi in the streets willing to take a punch are still both just Nazis.
That was alot of fancy words. I have no choice but to agree. I’m not entirely sure if you are on my side or not but I know argument will be pointless
What if you’re really drunk and you’re trying to hail a cab but you can’t rustle up enough strength to get your arm outside of the danger zone?
He wasn’t drunk or hailing a cab so I don’t know what you are getting at.
That it is possible to do it accidentally. But a normal person would realize their mistake and apologize profusely.
What Elon did was a nazi salute, and Elon is a nazi.
Back in the early days of Trump 1.0, I was accused of accidentally making a nazi salute. I raised a pint glass in cheers with no open palm (a drinking glass was in my hand). This wasn’t a nazi salute, but people were so keyed up to overreact and attack their friends and coworkers that it didn’t matter.
People are not taking Elon’s salute seriously because our society has lost its ability to take such accusations seriously. People remember the overreaction and baseless accusations being flung between people who should have had solidarity in Trump 1.0, and that undermines trust in similar claims today. This jadedness gives cover for the actual mask-off nazism in Trump 2.0.
People are so used to finding out that an accused nazi salute from the clickbait article was just someone trying to say cheers or making an awkward hand gesture that it takes extra evidence now to convince them that the AfD-supporting billionaire that just bought an election actually did a full nazi salute starting from the chest with no other justification (and then repeated it).
Did you explain your position following such accusations or did you do what he’s doing which is attacking everyone?
I wasn’t given an opportunity, and I ended up leaving the job in question due to hostility and violence.
im sorry that happened to you. that mist have been awful and i believe you.
Thank you.
That was far from the worst thing that happened to me at that job. When I think of that job and why I left it, this incident barely registers.
The reason I’m talking about it now is that the experience has biased me. When I first read that Elon gave a nazi salute, my first reaction was doubt due to this bias. Watching the clip cleared my doubt.
Billions of people, including those in high positions and with cameras on them all the time wake up every day, go about their business and then go to bed in the evening without even once doing a nazi salute by accident throughout their day. It’s not that hard actually. I’m on a pretty great streak since my birth as well and it’s really easy.
That one was actually trying to be sneaky, kind of. Ah, more innocent times I suppose.
Plausible deniability may be sneaky but certainly isn’t innocent.
Can’t upvote the post at the moment. It’s at 666 votes.
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It’s really important to remind people who are defending Musk what he was doing in Germany just a few days before this salute.
He was fucking defending Nazis.
This salute was no accident.
Even Musk hasn’t claimed it was an accident.
Someone might, but sure as fuck not twice in a row.
I mean I did once accidentally do one because i was just trying to wave to people sitting on the ground and automatically adjusted my hand angle to be flat towards them and did not realize what I just did until they pointed it out. “Slightly” different context though.
Yeah, I wouldn’t rule out mistakenly doing the salute. But you don’t mistakenly do it twice and then not apologize for doing people considered to be a nazi salute. Even if you do it once and you don’t apologize after being called out you’re a nazi. It’s such a taboo thing that you’d be apologetic or at the very least remorseful or ashamed. Musk is none of those things.
And to anyone defending Musk, if he pulled out his dick and swung it around on stage and then doesn’t show any remorse for showing his dick, would you think it was accidental?
I saw a nazi just as clearly as you saw a nazi. And no, we did not just see a nazi salute, we saw a complete nazi piece of shit. There’s no more to this story, nothing here is up for debate.
I think we need to include the reaction from Musk on this topic. Frankly, they need better dirty tricks. The “everyone is Hitler” attack is sooo tired 😴.
Not even Musk is denying the salute. He just doesn’t want to be called Hitler.
I was talking about this with my friend and she was like, “I heard it’s just a Roman Salute.” Be ready to be surprised at how many people will defend this crap.
“I hear it’s actually just a toothbrush moustache”
“It’s actually just like summer camp, just less… voluntary.”
Show me the difference… Go on…show me.
everybody calls it a fascist salute, except for fascists who call it a roman salute
That’s what I told her. I let her know that anyone trying to correct her with that is trying to play games.
It really is sad how many things that little fuck nugget has ruined. In this particular instance I mean Hitler.
Swastika? Neat, simple little geometric shape. Independently created by a few different cultures. Ruined.
“Roman salute”? Kinda neat looking, again simple. And again probably independently invented in a few places, but definitely Roman. Ruined
The charlie Chaplin mustache? More widely adopted after WWI as a style that would fit under a gas mask. Ruined
I’m not trying to campaign to rehab any of these things or apologize for musk. Just kinda sad how all this cool shit got tainted.
