WATTERS: And then they sabotaged the teleprompter. I mean, this is an insurrection. And what we need to do is either leave the UN or we need to bomb it. It is in New York though right?
GUTFELD: Yeah, it is.
WATTERS: Could be some fallout there. Alright, maybe gas it?
DANA PERINO (CO-HOST): Let’s not do that.
WATTERS: Don’t gas it. Okay, but we need to destroy it. Maybe can we demolish the building? Have everybody leave and then we will demolish the building.
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Does that mean they just need to laugh maniacally while bombing him? Or cry tears of joy? I wonder if the MAGA world will emotionally mourn the loss of this hateful little goblin as much as they did Charlie Kirk.
For anyone curious. This is terrorism. Specifically “Stochastic Terrorism”
Textbook example. Because there’s a real solid chance some fucking lunatic decides to act on his careless words.
careless words.
There’s nothing careless about this. This is intentional.
Nailed it.
The UN is headquartered in New York. This guy therefore is directly calling for terrorist acts to be committed on US soil. That’s slammer-worthy.
Who’s doing the political violence again?
The UN is not on US soil, it’s been international territory for a very long while
“akshually.”
You do get it, right, buddy? It is located within the boundaries of the contiguous lower 48. Moreover, in its most populous city.
Quit being obtuse.
Yeah, but he’s right in that it’s not US soil, so if someone does bomb it, the American justice system can just ignore it and foreign powers don’t have any power over American citizens located within the boundaries of the US anyway
Nobody disputed that. It’s just exhausting. You think the US would respond neutrally if another entity bombed the UN Building? There’s a tiny park in Tampa that is technically Cuban soil. Do you think Cuba would file articles of war if the US bulldozed José Martí Park for apartments?
It’s distasteful how people who are incorrect can bully and convince others to the contrary to bury truth.
The United Nations Plaza is firmly extraterritorial as stated in Article III, Section 7(a) of the Headquarters of the United Nations Agreement (1947). US law applies in this territory only to the extent it does not interfere with regulations of the UN which take precedent as defined in Article III, Section 8. So if the United States of America says the land is not American, why are you stating otherwise? Did you bother to look it up before mocking someone else?
As for your ignorant “but it’s within the borders of…” argument, Vatican City is located within contiguous Italy and even within its most populous city, yet it’s not just extraterritorial but a sovereign country. Did you forget the Holy See existed or do you just deny the validity of the Lateran Treaty because it is surrounded by Rome?
Finally, if all that weren’t true, the US has bombed its own territory and citizens before: Jayayu in 1950. Of course, if you are ignorant of the Holy See, why would you know that.
AFAIK, unlike Vatican City, UNHQ isn’t drawn on any map of the world, and if you were to ask someone to name countries, UNHQ wouldn’t be on anyone’s list.
Moreover, US laws still apply, which makes the territory not independent. It is a special area of the US, but is still firmly US.
A similar situation is with, for example, US military bases. They’re part of the county they’re physically in, but the laws are effectively US. It’s more of a “live and let live” situation - even in Cuba.
Its not a country. It’s extraterritorial.
It was acute attempt though.
Being infantile is not the same as being cute.
I took it as acute, as opposed to obtuse.
I should add; omg acute angle UwU frfr
And here I thought the problem was chronic.
@hyperhopper@lemmy.world @ExtremeDullard@piefed.social if it’s international soil, why (and how) could US deny Mahmoud Abbas from attending the UNGA, especially during an increasing recognizance of State of Palestine from other countries and the current UN proposals towards a two-state solution? I can also point out examples of this regarding an the country I reside: why (and how) could US make it difficult for part of the Brazilian delegation (such as Ricardo Lewandowski, current Brazilian Ministry of Justice, and Alexandre Padilha, current Brazilian Ministry of Health, the latter of whom ended up not attending in protest to all the restrictions imposed by US) to attend the UNGA?
Well, if you read the Headquarters of the United Nations Agreement (1947), you will find that the United States can deny visas for non-member states which includes the Palestinian Authority.
That doesn’t mean the UN isn’t extraterritorial.
Bro, what the fuck are you babbling about? It’s in New York you weirdo
It’s like saying an embassy is not US soil. Sure, politically, that might be true, but for all non-political purposes, it very much is within the US.
Yeah, I know, I just don’t have time for pedantic people trying to make bullshit comments when they know the absolute truth is that it’s on US fucking soil
Don’t acuse others of being pedantic when you’re just wrong. If you don’t understand the concepts, then don’t comment until you educate yourself.
The US signed a treaty granting the extraterritorial status. It’s not US territory unless the UN abandons it.
Bro fuck off you pedantic little shit weasel
A well thought out rebuttal that no doubt stretched your intellectual gifts.
You need serious help if this is your reaction to losing an argument.
US soil is a completely different thing than the geographic US
Completely incorrect.
It’s not even true. Embassies are not extraterritorial and remain the territory of the host country.
Try arresting someone who has diplomatic immunity. Tell me how that goes for you. Now explain to me why that person was not arrested. After that replace the person with the embassy building and you will finally understand what people are talking about.
That is not the same thing as extraterritoriality. Besides, most people who work in embassies do not have diplomatic immunity.
This is not an embassy. There is a separate, standalone, treaty with the UN giving them that land.
My parents live in Ohio, I live in the moment.
Downvoted for actually knowing the truth. Am I back on Reddit?
Downvoted for being a redditor by missing the point to argue something inconsequential.
It isn’t. Someone stated something completely false, and you are behaving like a Reddit brigade to censor truth.
It’s not inconsequential if there’s an attack though? It being on foreign soil means a high level judge appointed by Trump can literally just rule that no laws were broken on US soil.
We all wish you stayed there.
I actually found that an interesting fact. Also don’t worry too much about downvotes, karma isn’t really a thing here.
You left out the rest of that paragraph, though:
However, in exchange for local police, fire protection, and other services, the United Nations agrees to acknowledge most local, state, and federal laws.
Ok, but that only says they agree to follow local laws. It’s still not American soil as per the agreement.
Can you get to the United Nations without entering the U.S., no. Do you need a passport to enter or leave the U.N., no.
Do you need to remember you have a knife in your pocket, you probably should… I saw the metal detectors got worried at 19 or so and went back out front stashed my pocket knife in the trash can next to one of the umpteen NYPD officers that seem to be everywhere.
Took the tour and when I left I grabbed my knife out between the can and the case while a cop looked at me in a manner that made me wonder how that conversation was going to go.
“Sorry officer I just needed to stash this because I didn’t know if they would hold it at security.”
Okay and what would happen if that were bombed or gassed? It doesn’t matter if the land is politically separated. Bombs will physically destroy it and the surrounding area. Therefore it is not the truth in this context because we are speaking of the location of the land itself.
It makes things worse actually. It being on foreign soil means a high level judge appointed by Trump can literally just rule that no laws were broken on US soil.
Yeah. I’m confused. I mean, it’s legally intentional territory but functions as part of New York for obvious reasons. It’s a little more nuanced, to say the least.
It was also founded in San Francisco.
I always wondered why it was called UN plaza
I can’t decide whether Fox and Friends or The Five is the worst segment on Fox. Seems like they’re in competition for the title. The both of them are technically comedy or even satire segments, but of course they use that as a shield from criticism. “No reasonable person would take this seriously”, just like they argue in court when they get sued for the raw sewage they spew into public discourse.
But “Kill all of the homeless” and “destroy the UN and everyone who’s part of it” are only jokes if you find those actions amusing.
If he was a Trans or hated Nazis this would be TERRORISM! FORTUNATELY he isn’t So it’s just a LoL!
WATTERS: And then they sabotaged the teleprompter. I mean, this is an insurrection.
Broken escalator + teleprompter fail = insurrection.
Big I am just as dumb as someone from the fictional movie anchorman vibes
Both things Trump’s team did themselves, by the way.
Everything is an insurrection with these idiots.
Except actual insurrection. They want to water down the word in people’s minds so the terrorist attack of Trump supporters trying to kill the people certifying the 2020 election and Donald’s subsequent pardoning of all those terrorists and firing of anyone who dared participate in the investigation against them doesn’t seem so bad.
Yup. But we still need to call them out as idiots even if we know what their true game is.
Cashier short changed me! Fucking insurrection that is!
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That’s the goal when they call everything else an insurrection. Water it down when they do it.
Any time they get accused of something, you can bet they’ll start calling others it shortly after.
Every time they accuse others of something unprompted, you can bet they have already done it .
I think my brain seized up when a fan of both fElon and Taco declared a vote against Taco was a vote for the oligarchy.
It’s clear they heard Bernie out there campaigning against the oligarchy, had some vague notion that it was not a flattering word, and decided to apply it to Biden and Kamala.
I mean. What. The. Actual. Fuck.
The dumbest thing was Trump trying to call others out on Mortgage fraud.
Gotta set those deflectors to max.
They just repeat words they’ve heard smarter people use. He has no clue what he just said.
I was thinking of Everything_I_Dont_Like_is_woke.jpg. Has same basic energy.
Starbucks barista got your order wrong? It’s probably because they are woke and they are carrying out an INSURRECTION on you!!!
We’ve moved on. It’s antifa now.
FOX is definitely going to suspend him, right?
I await with bated breath the FCC statement saying this can be resolved the easy way or hard way.
Trump’s FCC:
Even though it was a completely idiotic thing to say, especially given recent events, the FCC has far less control over cable/paid television compared to broadcast TV.
Still has a job for some reason.
Wow. These “radical left lunatics” have even infiltrated FOX News,? I never would have guessed Jesse Waters was actually a member of antifa.
I think someone should just take a whip cream pie and throw it in Jesse’s face in public. Remember when people used to pie people? Let’s bring that back.
Play clown games, win clown prizes.
I’m still on board with this idea if you took out the word “whip” though.
Better times.
i took a section of what was said and gave it a quick edit to demonstrate how this is a great example of stochastic terrorism. the clear sections are focused on while the highlighted portions are prioritized. the rest can be disregarded as either media theater, filler, or a strategy for plausible deniability. the people influenced by this will hear or read it all but their minds won’t treat everything as equal, and these fascists know that and are counting on it.
Watters is a piece of shit and he doesn’t deserve his wealth and peace.
the fascists think this is their version of The Daily Show because they are violent and boring
also mediamatters is a work, don’t read or post them
also mediamatters is a work, don’t read or post them
Huh?
sorry op i’m being opaque with wrestling jargon
mediamatters is an news entertainment site where they skew and gossip about reporting from other agencies, it’s a “work of in-character fiction”
Media Matters is a news watchdog.
they take secondary sources and then editorialize on them as their business model for entertainment purposes
idk if we actually disagree here lmk
Look at the article. It’s literally just a clip with a transcript of Jessie Watters wanting to bomb or gas the UN.
on their “comedy” show bro which “doesn’t count”
Then ignore my MMfA posts for now on because I’m still going to post them when I feel the need to.
WATTERS: And then they sabotaged the teleprompter. I mean, this is an insurrection.
But according to the Associated Press’s Farnoush Amiri, an anonymous U.N. official said the escalator in question was actually stopped prematurely by someone from Trump’s group, who ran ahead of the group and accidentally triggered a stop mechanism. The official added that the teleprompter that Trump was so upset about was also being operated by his White House.
Source: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/turns-trump-own-team-messed-200956972.html
It’s incredible how good they are at tripping over their own dicks considering how little they have to work with.
Oh wow that transcript reads like his cohosts may push for him to get fired
