cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/44131480
More info on the Queensland laws: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/mar/05/queensland-pro-palestinian-phrase-ban-river-to-sea-laws-ntwnfb
She walks like a total badass.
Yeah, that’s not the face or body language of someone who’s anywhere near cowed ✊🏼
Well that seems like prime territory for jury nullification. Does Australia have that option like the usa?
Jury nullification isn’t a “rule” that exists but is more the biproduct of a system. If your system of law has normal people judge you, they can’t be punished for their decision, and you can’t be tried multiple times for the same crime, then jury nullification exists. The jury simply chooses to ignore directions, makes the decision they think is best, and the court must uphold it
Jury trials are a triumph of democracy, and any attempt to take them from us should be harshly.put down.
I think it’s more of a byproduct than a pair of products.
A typo in your unnecessary correction? How deliciously ironic.
One that I immediately spotted and fixed? Not really.
20 minutes after posting and 9 minutes after my comment is immediate? Cool.
The real irony is that it apparently didn’t go through when I first corrected it.
Now, now, children.
Come to bed dear. Let the children go fuck themselves.
That slogan is used by both Israelis and Palestinians.
And it’s fucked up either way as it implies genocide.
my favorite part of WW2 is when they freed the concentration camps they also conducted a genocide and killed every white German…
that’s what you sound like
The second part is about freedom, not everyone who uses it (like i guess the girl in handcuffs) means to say this freedom equals getting rid of the other group entirely. Personally i wouldn’t use it because i feel it got tainted and you can’t predict how someone will interpret it. But it doesn’t have to imply genocide and can be used as a synonym to saying Free Palestine. Remember Israel banned the Palestine flag and symbols etc, there was a real need for these kinds of synonyms. That being said, it is definitely also being used to call for genocide.
Human slop
Yes, but it’s only allowed to be used by one of those groups.
It’s a slogan that is coopted by Israelis. It “belongs” to Palestinians.
So they stole that too.
“These warmongering murderers are using our music without our consent. This makes us both nauseous and furious. Kind of typical though, isn’t it? To strut up and take what isn’t theirs with a vile arrogance…” -Alex Kapranos, Franz Ferdinand.
Palestinians say “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”, which means free from occupation and free for all who live on it.
Zionists want you to believe that it’s an antiemetic slogan, their actually genocidal version is pushing for Jewish only occupation from the river to the sea.
Antisalmon ypu mean. That is the term. Spread it.
Thanks for sharing, here is a bit of info for people who don’t want to leave lemmy/piefed.
“It’s important to remember this chant is in English and it doesn’t rhyme in Arabic, it is used in demonstrations in Western countries,” he [Nimer Sultany, a lecturer in law at the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) in London] said. “The controversy has been fabricated to prevent solidarity in the West with the Palestinians.”
Pro-Israel observers, however, argue the slogan has a chilling effect. “To Jewish Israelis what this phrase says is that between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean, there will be one entity, it will be called Palestine – there will be no Jewish state – and the status of Jews in whatever entity arises will be very unclear,” Yehudah Mirsky, a Jerusalem-based rabbi and professor of Near Eastern and Judaic Studies at Brandeis University.
There should be no states based on ethnicity, which definitelly means no Jewish State, no White state, no Black state, no Muslim state and so on.
States having ethnic majorities, sure, state constitutionally giving more rights to those of specific ethnic groups than to others, that’s just Racism baked into the very Foundation of the State.
Those “Pro-Israel observers” are essentially saying that the idea that there would be no Fundationally Racist state that benefits them is unpleasant for them - that’s very much an open admission that they’re Racists.
Those who can’t understand how all this is a problem, just read that quote of what they said but replacing the words “Jews” and “Jewish” with “White”.
Violent terrorist action maybe you should nsfw this.
cute girls wearing tops advocating against genocide is my favorite form of terrorism
In America, we have this thing called “Freedom of Speech”, so this could never happen here.
Right?
Oh my god.
All these things are going away, supported by people who disagree with what they say. Because wisdom is rare now. It will probably need to be a massive war so people again can learn how to be wise afterwards.
The genocides against the native population were long ago.
America is the blueprint for what Israel wants to be.
If Israel is not held accountable now, they will eventually treat “immigrants” the same way America does, give them a generation or two.
wait I thought that was the genocide slogan… if they are being arrested for it did I have it backwards?
I think you’ve got it right, and maybe there are some governments that have rules against advocating for genocide. Kinda wild.
TIL it was a initially freedom slogan from the Palestinians that was mocked and turned into an apartheid slogan by Israeli far-right politicians. So it’s complicated now and depends on context.
it is still a freedom slogan, no matter what genociders say about it.
FROM THE RIVER
TO THE SEA
PALESTINE WILL BE FREE
FROM THE SEA
TO THE RIVER
PALESTINE WILL LIVE FOREVER
I am not sure about “will be” but I certainly hope Palestinians get a chance to live a happy and worry-free live again - with the Israeli population understanding the horrors committed in their name, war criminals brought to justice and a peaceful nation of Israel in the future. One can dream.
Israeli population doesn’t give a shite about the atrocities they are committing, some do, but they are such a minority.
it will collapse the moment the US stops funding it. And if the dems want to win ever again they must. given that recently the polls show that more Americans support Palestine instead of Israel.
Propaganda is unfortunately very effective, and the majority of the Israeli population, similar to the ‘murica population, similar to the population of Putinland, and many others in the world, has taken the bait of hate hook, line and sinker. That doesn’t mean the average Israeli was born more or less evil than you or me. Which means every new generation has a chance of being better than their parents’ generation.
Israeli population is without a doubt evil, they keep voting for genocide and apartheid. Not doing a genocide is a fringe idea there. you can blame generations of propaganda, but you can’t use that to absolve them for the horrors they created.
I have a problem with the use of the word “evil”, and even when I do it myself, I am aware it is only a crutch to describe people with what I consider to be brain (developmental) damage to the point of narcissism and having no empathy.
But as I said, propaganda is strong. Calling the Israeli population evil is misunderstanding the problem and is accordingly not helpful at all in finding a solution (which I do not have either). That said, yes, it is shocking what evil acts are okay with people in Israel, but there are hundreds of millions of people in other parts of the world who also find such atrocities acceptable. And in my own country of origin, Germany, we definitely have our own share of people who do not give a fuck about the Palestinians and shrug off the ongoing genocide as “self defense”.
What is happening is horrible, but dehumanizing Israelis is NOT a solution - but it’s a really dangerous path towards keeping a blood feud alive.
I’m talking from lived experience, I am Israeli, I lived there, have family there. And they are incredibly racist people. you can blame generations of propaganda, but the reality that they are extremely hateful towards arabs.
the first joke my roommate told me at work “what do you call an arab drawning in the sea? pollution, how do you call 9 million (Palestinian population at the time) arabs drawning in the sea? Solution”.
Yes, I met some who hated it, and wanted peace and equality with arabs (still wouldn’t call them Palestinians), but they are a tiny minority.
they keep voting for this genocide, they celebrate it. they go to places to see the bombs falling as if it where a fire works show. they made a fuzz about the right of prison guards to rape Palestinians, turning the guard who raped Palestinian prisoners into a national hero.
whatever the reason (you can bring up the Standford prison experiment) they are evil, and if you want to disagree, you can’t disagree that they act evil. they see their neighbors and not see them as human. If we wait for their consent to end the genocide, it’ll never end.
whatever the reason (you can bring up the Standford prison experiment) they are evil, and if you want to disagree, you can’t disagree that they act evil. they see their neighbors and not see them as human. If we wait for their consent to end the genocide, it’ll never end.
You make the relevant distinction yourself: “they” (I don’t like the word when there’s clearly exceptions) act evil. No doubt about that. That doesn’t mean Israeli people are inherently worse or better than the rest of us.
And in the current scenario, there’s no consent to be awaited, but the necessary international action to boycott Israel (and other genocidal/ terrorist states) at all fronts is simply not happening, and that is depressing.
Being propagandized do not gives you a pass
Unlikely. Every civilization collapses eventually.
The point of the chant is that by resisting the genocide we are all Palestinian. We participate because we believe in the self-determination and human rights of all peoples. By resisting Israeli and US aggression and oppression, we are all Palestinian.
So bullshit. And more bullshit.
Well, shit.
You know in Canada they had so many Caribou on the ice and snow … it’s melting and these black layers of solid Caribou shit are appearing.
They’re also finding 9,000 year old weapons designed to kill those Caribou.
Cool stuff. Anthropology.
I guarantee you. Palestinians will end with less evidence for their existence.
I wish it was so, for solidarity, I want to say I’m Palestinian. but I can’t shake the reality that I’m Israeli, and even though I left in 2010, I still technically am, and all my family served in the IDF.
Can’t wait for apartheid to collapse.
civilization collapses, people remain.
Every living thing goes extinct, eventually.
so you’re a contrarian who’s just being a cunt and considers a genocide to be a good place to showcase your idiocy
lol, it’s a protest slogan not a political treatise, are you going to nitpick it?
Blocked.
Free Palestine
it’s getting closer, Israel is so close to collapsing. every day Iran fires on Israel is a day where its economy is completely halted. It’s stretched incredibly thin with all their war fronts. they are becoming extremely unpopular, US population is now more in favor of Palestine than Israel. as soon as the USA stops supporting Israel (and the USA doesn’t become a Trump dictatorship… fuck it already is) Israel will become a pariah state with little support.
I don’t think you have any idea how much reach Israel has in the US. How much of the US is actually controlled by Israeli interest groups. And how many Zionists live in america. Israel is nowhere near collapse. And US support is nowhere near gone.
I hate it and I wish I could personally gut every one of the tyrannical bastards involved. But I and many others that feel similarly are ultimately without power to change this. Protesting only works when those in power have a conscience. We need a violent uprising to effect any change in the US and that won’t happen. Not through lack of desire but through the inability to gather in appropriate numbers.
Edit:just saw in another comment that you are Israeli so maybe you have an insight that I don’t. But from a US perspective I just don’t see anything changing.
no doubt AIPAC and ADL have a hold of US politics. however, it’s a very fragile hold. people are waking up and primarying out candidates that take AIPAC cash.
and taking AIPAC money for campaign funds is useless if it makes you unelectable.
Don’t forget CUFI. These people are genuinely nuts. My old church had a CUFI pastor before I realized he was intentionally misreading the bible to promote his agenda. Wild stuff.
never heard of them. and i was happier not knowing they existed
I felt the same way. Spreading the joy.
AIPAC has some tacticians among them. They know the acronym itself is hated and mistrusted. But, it’s very common and possible for reasonable people to see a convincing political ad, and not ever realize it was funded by AIPAC indirectly.
I can only hope. I appreciate your optimism since I feel like mine died years ago.
if you can. check your local Dems, regardless of how much they suck, and see if there’s an actual progressive running, then vote for them in the primaries.
I take issue with the way this is being presented
She was cautioned, so no criminal conviction or anything, let alone two years in jail
To pretend that Australia is anything like the US is disingenuous. There are people who want everyone to give up protesting, framing things like this doesn’t help
I’m grateful to live in Australia (admittedly, I’m not fond of Queensland, where this article is from as it’s our version of Florida) rather than the hellscape that is 'Murica
Piss all the way off you fascist apologist!
I’m no fan of what the police did,
But you go off. Maybe you’d like a try soap, or working on your reading comprehension
Try Soap? Is that some limey slang? I’m an american, I don’t speak foreigner. Except the espanish.
It’s obvious that you’re a yank
oi oi oi.
Wut? Are you sure you read their comment correctly?
I wish one day I could drink as much nationalist kool aid as you to think Australia is a single entity or America is a single entity or any nation is a single entity woth a single set of values or a single set of ideals or a single set of principles.
This is called nationalism and is modern invention. You can choose to not participate but school is designed to make you believe you have more in common with the white guy a hundred kilometers away in a part of your nation you have never once visited than the indigenous person or the immigrant down the road. This is a lie.
You identify with the social norms of the dominant ethnic group of the land called Australia. Let me rewrite part of your comment:
“To pretend white people in Australia are anything like the white people in the US is disingenuous. There are white people who want to give up protesting, framing things like this doesn’t help”
Ah there we go. Now we can finally understand your position.
I am so sorry white people are feeling sad in those places. I promise you the white people in australia and the white people in america have tons in common.
Ok well all that is pretty racist but alright
Another idiot defending his country blindly on lemmy
She was arrested and charged, and took the option of accepting a formal caution, which requires that you don’t deny committing the offence. If she hadn’t taken that option, she’d still be facing charges (and gaol time).
The other guy who was arrested for speaking the words is still facing charges, so far as I know.
From the Guardian’s coverage, though, it seems likely his actions will be covered by the ‘reasonable excuse’ provisions of the law. It seems clear he said it in order to educate the crowd and make a political argument against the laws, and even to discourage the crowd from saying it:
“I’m not sure if everybody here [knows] the history of the different slogans that the government is trying to ban us from saying, so [in] the interests of education, I want to explain [it] to you,” he said at the protest.
He went on to deny that the phrase was terroristic or antisemitic, saying it was instead a call for freedom and dignity of the people between the Jordan River and Mediterranean Sea.
“So when we say, from the river to the sea, we are calling for the freedom of the people of Palestine,” he said.
He discouraged others from chanting the slogan.
Moments later, as protesters started to march, he was arrested.
Imagine killing any fewer than 165 little girls.
That’s fascismeridoo!
Imagine having this few criminals in Australia that you have the space to incarcerate people for free speech?
We’re busy incarcerating non-violent offenders while we let out murderers because we don’t have the space.
Being against genocide illegal in Australia. Actually, that tracks with my understanding of Australia
What if I have a shirt that says “From the river” and my friend has a shirt that says “To the sea?”
Would we be arrested for standing too close to each other?
What if we stood the wrong way round, and our shirts read “To the sea from the river?” Would that be an offense?
What if the shirt was in the form of a rebus, with pictures and/or wordplay as stand-ins for words like “river” and “sea?”
What if it were a remix that nevertheless put the original slogan in your head: “River. Sea. Some assembly required?”
Really? You don’t even need to be naked in public to get arrested?
There should be exception for attractive nude women :)
I’m going to take a shower now.
In germany for a man being nude in public is illegal but not for woman.
I like Germany now!
And you should probably be banned from public spaces.
How about I feel attractive and idgaf about you
