LOL
Oh are we supposed to care about substantial evidence of theft now? Because there’s a few artists, writers, and other creatives that would like to have a word with you…
so he’s just admitting that deepseek did a better job than openai but for a fraction of the price? it only gets better.
It’s funny that they did all that and open-sourced it too. Like some kid accusing another to copy their homeworks while the other kid did significantly better and also offered to share.
I couldn’t give less of a fuck.
Stealing from thieves is not theft
Yes it is. Although I agree that I have no moral objections to it.
Came to say something similar. Like I give a fuck that OpenAI’s model/tech/whatever was “stolen” by Deepseek. Fuck that piece of shit Sam Altman.
“Recieving stolen goods” is prosecutable.
It’s a lesser crime than the original theft though.
Good luck suing them
FUD, just to distract from the crushing multibillion dollar defeat they’ve just been dealt. First stage of grief: denial. Second: anger. Third: bargaining. We’re somewhere between 2 and 3 right now.
Nope, it’s definitely true, but sensationalism. Almost all models are trained using gpt
Yes, so what?
https://stratechery.com/2025/deepseek-faq/
Who the fuck cares? They’re all doing this.
Yeah, and? WTF are you chuckle fucks gonna do about it? Whine and complain without a hint of irony? Because that’s all this is. Because there’s not a goddamn thing you can do about it, and you hate that. Not to mention the hit to your nearly bottomless wallets. Cry more emo kid, your suffering sustains me.
OpenAI’s mission statement is also in their name. The fact that they have a proprietary product that is not open source is criminal and should be sued out of existence. They are now just like the Sun Micro after Apache was made open sourced; irrelevant they just haven’t gotten the memo yet. No company can compete against the whole world.
i agree FOSS is the way to go, and that OpenAI has a lot to answer for… but FOSS is not the only way to interpret “open”
the “open” was never intended as open source - it was open access. the idea was that anyone should have access to build things using AI; that it shouldn’t be for only megacorps who had the pockets to train… which they have, and still are doing
they also originally intended that all their research and patents would be open, which i believe they’re still doing
They’re obviously trying so hard for regulatory capture in the states it’s embarrassing.
It’s only ok when we do it, cause we’re the good guys!
They’re eating each other.
Exactly. This is the end. The companies eat each other while we suffer.
I think chatgpt is more self aware than OpenAI is.
Training is transformative use. Same reason I don’t care which DVDs they show the draw-anything robot.
If I somehow stole ChatGPT’s weights and pruned them to one-tenth their size, that’d be on-par with leaking the source code to a game. Any support would be yo-ho-ho vigilante justice kinds of support.
But I just point my chatbot at your chatbot, and mine winds up better and smaller… tough shit.
Your point OpenAI? Weren’t you part of the group saying training AI wasn’t copyright infringement? Not so happy when it’s your shit being copied? Huh. Weird.
The only concern is how much the cost of training the model changes if it got a significant kickstart from previous, very-expensive training. I was interested because it was said to be comparable for a fraction of the cost. "Open"AI can suck sand.
