Making every Windows 11 PC an AI PC
Great, so everything runs locally, making it a self-contained “AI PC”. Otherwise, the headline surely would’ve been, “Making every PC collect data to train Microsoft’s models with little benefit in return“. Right?
What do you mean “little benefit in return”?
Clearly, it streams a buttload of data!
Your ISP bill will surely grow. Hope you’re not roaming with your laptop on!
Microsoft is doing more for Linux adoption than anyone else ever has lol
I’ve got two friends that are right in the edge of trying. One has a spare thin client that he wants to PoC with and was asking for distros and how to install. The other was thinking of jumping in the deep end with Arch, and I’ve warned him, but the wiki is solid, he’s not dumb, and Arch install is better than it ever has been.
PoC? Punch only Clowns?
Proof of Concept.
And Mac.
Yes definitely, but mentioning anything good about Apple on Lemmy gets you stitches…
Switched to a Mac 11 years ago and never looked back. Their OS is stellar.
stellarly bad
I mean there’s good reason for that but MacOS is kinda in between Windows and Linux, in terms of usability and shitfuckery.
There isnt anything good.
Your comment is only proving my point.
Someonw had to do it :)
I would rather manage Apple ecosystem devices for family than Windows any day of the week.
I did and believe me, you do not.
I do, and trust me, I do.
I have said the same as well. Prior to them dropping the fat grumpy that is 11, I was all in on the windows ecosystem for myself. I heavily modified it of course so it didn’t have a bunch of the nonsense but overall, the experience was good. But then they started warping 10, and then they came out with 11 which was massive garbage at release and now is worse garbage years down the road. And with that AI outlook, I’m full on bailing from everything.
MS has to justify thier cost of spending so much money on AI datacenters, they need everyone to buy it to offset the unprofitable cost of AI usage. thats why they are so desperate and suddenly trying to force W11 down peoples throat.
Honestly, big shoutout to Microsoft for the strong push to get me in Linux’s loving embrace.
Double shoutout to them for making it very easy to not even considering to come back.
Valve with Steamdeck and Proton development: “Am I a joke to you?”
Steam took the cap off the toothpaste tube.
Microsoft is giving the toothpaste tube a good squeeze!So many people just immediately gave into ChatGPT, I doubt Microsoft’s actions will do that much damage. Besides, for anyone not using it it’s pretty easy to ignore. I don’t do a single thing on my PC that requires much beyond opening a game or Firefox so I don’t feel the pressure to leave at the moment.
Ironically, one of the things that I’m moving to Linux for is the gaming performance boost that I’ve heard some people report due to the lack of Windows bloat and telemetry running in the background all the time.
Bazzite, the Linux version I keep seeing people recommend for gaming and people new to Linux has had a big boost in users in the past 6 weeks or so, apparently, that people are completely attributing to Microsoft.
They are helping, yes, but windows 11 is a driving force like I’ve never seen.
It’s only really viable though, because of Steam and Proton
Not everything is vidjagames
No, but those two things have been such a massive driver for Linux adoption, that it isn’t really relevant.
And literally 99% of their userbase will stay on Windows.
That and backwards compatibility for Win7 & Win10. Shares of those OSs have gone up and several application developers have announced continued support or are advocating for unlocking/keeping secure those OSs.
Source?
Microsoft is so incredibly fucked when the AI bubble starts to burst. They’ve abandoned so many of their other projects and customers to go all-in on it.
I keep parroting this, but in the next couple of years, I think there will be a couple of giants that fall. I work in ServiceNow and they, like many others, have gone all in on AI. Their problem is that they were slower than some, their solution is half baked at best, and it’s prohibitively expensive. Nobody is paying 10s of thousands+ extra for the licensing to be able to run agents, and less are paying the extra licensing required for the users to be able to use that agent.
I’ve now been pulled into copilot studio, and yet again it’s another product rushed to market that isn’t ready for the big stage. Dog shit documentation and training material, and terrible environment design.
All of these big players have invested so much money in adding AI, nobody wants it, and now they’re all hemoragging money.
Precisely my thoughts. Companies that are all in on this, except for 2 or 3 of the ones that actually are making headway on AI (as opposed to just mirroring Sam Altman’s ponzy scheme like Microsoft is doing), will eventually crash and burn.
Look at Apple, they’ve been left behind in the AI race, but they have other good stuff thatsome of their fans will support (I’m using the word “good” very lightly here), and with their market value and endless cash flow, they are way more likely to still be here 10 years from now.
None of us can see the future, but we can look at the signs. MS will never be a point of reference for AI, as that task belongs to OpenAI and Google exclusively for now (and Meta to some extent).
I always was wondering APPLe never announced any kind of AI initiative, through all this craze. thier iphones, and macos, macbooks, and desktops is enough profit as it is. i wonder if they did caluclations, that AI is going to cost them alot more than it will generate revenue/profit, and after seeing how GOOGLE, OPENAI, MS, ,etc isnt generating any income, they probably abandoned at this point.
GOOGLE is definitely all in, thats why they want to datamine you to sell and offset thier AI center costs. they Largely abandoned thier pixel development
Their problem is that they were slower than some, their solution is half baked at best, and it’s prohibitively expensive
Sounds like a lot of company these days.
It won’t make a difference.
What other projects they abandoned do you see as so critical that it would break Microsoft?
Windows Live Writer, obviously.
Copilot, Github, LinkedIn, ChatGPT are the ones that come to mind. All of them have started to degrade in quality in one way or another, and with the exception of LinkedIn, they all have competitors that could potentially, over the long haul, could dismantle Microsoft. They’re also running out of places to extend and extinguish.
It probably won’t happen in one or two lifetimes, but enough cracks in a dam accumulate and eventually the whole thing breaks.
linkedin went downhill when they started requiring accounts to see other profiles. just wanted to check up on people from my university. jobwise not so useful, for non-tech resumes or if your resume is not hefty.
It probably won’t happen in one or two lifetimes,
I understood their comment as AI crash leading to Microsoft crash. A decade of degradation is a different argument - that I would agree with as more realistic.
I think that Microsoft will continue in some form regardless of what happens with this bubble because they have huge amounts of physical assets and cash on hand.
That said, their market position in any given sector they’re in might not be as invincible as it seems. There are corporations that were titans of their industries, including technology, that either don’t exist or are ghosts of their former selves all in far less than a lifetime.
Kodak, Xerox, Bell Labs, IBM, and Yahoo all looked like unstoppable juggernauts when I was a kid, and my own kids haven’t even heard of some of them.
Hate to tell you, but we’re all incredibly fucked. Least of all Microsoft. They know what they’re doing. They most certainly already have a plan for recovery, as they know it’s coming just as well as everyone else.
I dunno. I feel like they are like the cable company now. They will jus sit there twiddling their nipples while we are all fucked.
I need the cable company (or similar) due to the fact that infrastructure is hard to deploy, and we need Internet to participate in society.
Nobody needs Microsoft cause every single one of their products has an alternative that’s at least as good.
They survive by courting enterprises, but many of them can also switch away if they want.
On a personal basis that works, but they are so corporately entrenched that their products getting shitier matters quite little.
Seriously this, it would take something like the PCI or SOX declaring Windows outside of compliance for Microsoft to die from bad business decisions in the US. Although German gov switching to Linux starts treading a path through
How long until they successfully lobby the US government to make FOSS illegal somehow
Oh really, how bummed would they be?
They will be fine. They are second most valuable company in the world. They have money to throw around and their source of income still seem inexhaustible. A few new Linux users won’t even make a dent.
Sorry to be so blunt, but it’s the truth no matter what we are wishing for.
If this was true (not that they are the 2nd most valuable company, that much is clear), why would they bend over and support W10 for another year in the EU while fucking up everyone else? There are ways for companies that seem to be immortal to self-destroy. Intel for example. Did any of us thought that they could burst 10 years ago? And look at them now, crawling asking for help.
All you need is a seriously bad decision, then doubling down on it, and just watch it spiral down until they crash.
The seemingly endless access to money only makes the process take longer, it’s not a shield from catastrophic failure.
It’s very much true. W10 was cause of pressure from companies and countries, not because of the odd Joe contemplating their os.
Any company may fall, but they can also fail from inaction. Ms has the option to get data no one else can. They can’t afford not to.
Yeah, that certainly plays a role. What really blows my mind is that governments and companies KNOW this about Microsoft, yet they choose to stay in their infrastructure. This world just keeps getting weirder every day.
Yes and it’s not new. There have been failed attempts to get out of Microsoft by governments and companies around the world for more than a decade. Its hard. The cost is huge, the benefit vague and distant.
The only reason why is gaining ground now it’s because US got really crazy. Not because of the cost of Windows licences. Not even because of invasive AI.
More unwanted bloat to disable, I guess.
You seem knowledgeable, can I remove copilot or make sure it doesn’t install?
Tiny11 is how I did it on my dial boot system. Cleanest Windows Install I’ve had since Windows XP. But who knows if an update doesn‘t just install all the crap somehow still? I‘m mainly using Linux now because it just works.
fuck off, not my shit you wont
From what I’m reading it’s just Cortana 2.0
Clippy 3.0
Hey Copilot, what happened to Cortana?
Copilot: ł ₭łⱠⱠɆĐ ⱧɆⱤ
Nice update!
…open O&O shut up and disable, disable, disable, disable. Sweet.
Disable? I think you mean Remind Me in Three Days! - Clippy
How to either make more sheeple or convince more to switch to Linux.
I honestly don’t mind as long as it’s down with permission. At least Microsoft are trying to do something interesting, computers are so boring nowadays. You could take any of the operating systems and wind them back five years and I probably wouldn’t notice.
I honestly don’t mind as long as it’s down with permission
From Microsoft “fuck you now all your files are on onedrive”, sure, they can be trusted. After all, it’s not like microsoft “I’m wiping this bootloader for you” have done anything shady before. Microsoft “I’ll revert those default apps settings because you clearly wanted edge when you changed everything to firefox/chrome” is THE company that respects user decisions. Microsoft “I’ll update and reboot now, fuck you” really knows how to stay in line and not do the opposite of what users want.
Really, what could go wrong in believing that Microsoft “I shit you not, you want to open that link in edge even though you uninstalled it” will respect the end-looser checking or unchecking a checkbox.
OS’s should be boring. Applications are the interesting part of the computer. Anytime you get an OS trying to be “interesting” it’s really just invasive/annoying. OS is the bass player in the band.
One more reason to restrict Windows to a VM and run Linux or some other *nix on the host for a baremetal OS.
All glory to the QEMU-toad!
The only reason I have a windows box is for gaming, specifically sims (racing and flying)
Ever more reason to test and see if the wheel and flight stick work under Proton.
Bazzite my dude. Check it out, super easy and setup for easy dual boot so you can give it a shot without clearing windows (if shits partitioned right)
I want to use this last year of win 10 updates to slowly get onto Bazzite but I have heard horror stories of dualbooting Linux and Windows. Windows tends to overwrite the boot preferences and caps the system.i have only booted into Linux from an external drive in the past, so what is the tried and true dual boot method?
I installed endeavouros on my windows laptop.
The installer guided me through the partitioning, setting up systemd-boot, and it was all great.
I had to disable bitlocker in windows (not that bothered about) and secure boot in bios (also not that bothered about).Ran smoothly dual booting both for about 4 months.
Then a windows update hit, and fucked the boot.Thankfully, this is a common enough thing that there are plenty of tutorials out there.
A liveUSB of endeavouros, some tinkering, and I was back up and running.The cause seems to be FastBoot, where windows keeps the boot partition mounted. What I think happens is that bios tries to read the boot partition, which is configured/loaded for windows (because it never cleaned up after itself due to FastBoot being on) and boots into windows.
Since turning off FastBoot, I haven’t had any issues in the past 8 months.Way to properly do it is to keep them separate drives and use bios to select which to load.
I followed this tutorial on YT after a failed Win11/Linux dual boot that crashed Win11 completely and only booted into Linux, and it worked perfectly.
Essentially, this guy’s strategy is to create a second EFI partition for the new Linux install, remove the boot flag from the original Windows EFI long enough to go through the Linux install, then put the boot flag back where it was and update GRUB accordingly, allowing GRUB to find and note any other operating systems on the disk. After that both Windows and Linux stay in their own walled spaces and Windows never gets to overwrite the Linux EFI, which is the source of all the misery.
There’s more to the detail, of course, but that’s the gist of it. I have dual-booted Linux with this method solely on single partitioned disks, and never on different disks, so I couldn’t tell you whether a separate disk is a guarantee of anything or not, but after I started deliberately creating separate EFI partitions for dual-boot situations I’ve never had a problem.
This video is specifically for Zorin but I’ve used the same strategy successfully on other distros. He has also done specific dual-boot walkthrough videos for a number of other dual-boot installs and troubleshooting as well, so check the channel if you want to find other distros. I did not see Bazzite specifically, but I saw plenty of Fedora. (No affiliation with this channel, I’ve just used a number of his videos and appreciate the specific care and accuracy he gives his tutorials.) Hope this helps.
You’re generally safe if you 1) install them on two different disks and 2) if you’re installing windows later, unplug any drives you don’t want to use with windows. Microsoft likes to poke all drives it can see during installation even if you don’t touch them.
Disks or partitions?
Two separate disks. The issue is that windows likes to overwrite or otherwise mess with the boot loader if it’s not the default windows one.
So pretty safe if Windows is a priority install, and Linux is on a 2nd drive. Easy enough, thanks!
Definitely. If you have a second one it’s very safe to try out a full Linux install.
I’d be amazed if you were the first person testing if those things work. However, I would not be surprised if your specific peripherals do not work as they are supposed to.
If you know someone with a Linux pc it could be easy to test it out.
I’ll probably throw in a spare HD and dual boot the box to test one of these days. Each successive MS attempt to force crap down our throats just further incentivizes me.
Disgusting
“With Gaming Copilot (Beta)” you can let the AI play the games for you. /s 🤡
you say that like people don’t watch playthroughs on youtube and twitch.
This is a threat?
All with your permission and built upon the security of Windows 11.
So I can decline. Good.
You’re always in control of what Copilot Actions can do. Copilot Actions is turned off by default and you’re able to pause, take control or disable it at any time.
…until we turn it back on for you during any minor update.
that wouldn’t be “turned off by default”.
First day using a microsoft product? Checkbox magically checking themselves is as old as my first baby wee windows update.
I distinctly remember installing windows 10, turning off basically everything in oobe and it all being completely ignored, enabling it anyways
Ah well you see, if you try to complain, you can go fuck yourself
