Independent Senator Bernie Sanders floated Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as a potential presidential candidate in the 2028 elections, saying that even though it’s “her decision to make,” she is a “very, very good politician.”
Speaking to Axios, Sanders said that he has been “out on the streets with her” and noticed how she responds when people come up to her. “It’s so incredibly genuine and open.”
Ocasio-Cortez is seemingly positioning herself to run for higher office, whether it is challenging Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer for his seat or to make a run for president.
The thing about AOC is that she can bring in the millennials which far out weigh the normal voting demographic.
Her first executive order should be to nullify all executive orders Donald Trump ever made.
Remove that man from history make everyone forget his name.
You know, kind of what happened with Caligula.
The Dems learned nothing.
I don’t know if AOC is the right pick but I do know she’s closer to the target than Gavin Newsom. Nothing against him, but the Democratic party needs a candidate that can inspire people.
But that’s getting ahead of things. First the american people need to primary ~50% of sitting democrats in the midterms.
There’s plenty to be against Newsome for considering he platformed fascists, attacks the homeless for fun, and isn’t supportive of the LGBTQ+ community.
I think she is smart enough to surround herself with intelligent people. And Newsom seems to have a much bigger ego which is not what I’m interested in, personally.
I’m not sure she has the thunder she had in 2018. BUT If she calls for a general strike in the next 6 weeks, and then starts to be the lead organizer of said strike, she’s my gal. I really hope she learns from Bernie in specifically how he’s organized his national campaigns.
2018 was different I don’t blame her for being more outspoken then. I agree with the other commentor that she should run for senate. She’ make an excellent senate majority leader. If there’s still no female president by 2036 she’d probably be a layup at that point.
I don’t share the view that sexism is what is blocking a female president in the US; I think being an inauthentic corporate sellout is what has, so far, blocked a female president in the US. So that doesn’t factor in for me.
2028, should there be an election, is 100% in play for AOC.
And that actually is my biggest concern with AOC. Pelosi worked hard, from 2018-2020 to ice the FUCK out of AOC. And AOC stayed strong and outspoken. In fact, AOC in some ways was representing real leadership. When AOC ran again, won again, Pelosi instead of resisting, worked to bring her into the fold. And the strength of AOC’s rhetoric has diminished substantially. And AOC has become less and less outspoken and willing to target Democrats with criticism and become more and more of a “team player”. Now I’m not saying AOC is cooked, but she’s definitely on the stove.
I don’t share the view that sexism is what is blocking a female president in the US; I think being an inauthentic corporate sellout is what has, so far, blocked a female president in the US.
I sort of agree, but there is definitely enough sexism to knock off a couple percentage points. It’s possible to win and AOC has the right populist appeal that might actually get her elected, but both her gender and her latine name will give her more work than a cishet white man.
These aren’t barriers, but the are hurdles.
Our greatest recent win was with a black man with a Muslim name. Charisma and idealistic policy are way more important factors than all these excuses the centrists are throwing around now that the female nominee might not be a neoliberal. The same “but whatabout vagina” hand wringing surged when Warren was briefly leading the primary. And the same deferral to whatever prejudices are convenient to the end goal were brought out against Obama.
The same people promoting moderate Republican sensitivities as our guiding light are the ones who keep running shitty candidates and losing. They don’t know how to win elections.
I agree. That’s why AOC should focus on policies instead of identity politics. Because what I said is also true
Edit: I’m not saying she’s doing that, but dems have a history of trying and failing to fight cons on those terms
She’ll be a career politician no matter what. We’ll see what that means for her over time.
I don’t share the view that sexism is what is blocking a female president in the US
Me neither. 2036 is 3 elections away. Not exactly a long shot that the next 2 will be won by men. All I’m saying is that she’d probably be more effective in the senate (especially as leader) for the next decade and she’s young enough for a presidential run later.
She’d be empowered as SML and given her aptitude that’s why I think she’d be a layup for first female president afterwards.
Seems like the core argument is that AOC should wait a few cycles.
I question the strength of that argument given the nature of her approach to politics and our current/ ongoing political moment. She doesn’t get stronger as a candidate with time she gets weaker, more associated with the establishment.
The outsider lane is the strongest right now and it’s hers to take in 2028. Neither Pritzker or Newsom can take that lane. Why wait?
The core of my argument is that the senate needs AOC more than the executive branch. America needs functional legislatures more than the ideal commander and chief. Americans have fixated on the presidency for generations at the expense of functional house/senate/courts.
Why wait?
Because the senate is the real bottleneck; as we saw during Obama/Biden. Meanwhile 2028’s presidential race is a referendum on democracy regardless of who the DNC puts forward.
The core of your argument seems to place a higher priority on AOC winning the presidency than the actual outcomes. I’m arguing for what I see as best for USA, not AOC.
Given her aptitude I think she could win in the senate and would be an excellent majority leader. AOC would also not be required to resign as senate majority leader to run for president. IMO she’s one of the few people that could effectively campaign while maintaining her senate duties.
The higher priority is in winning the presidency, and regardless of what the constitution once said it was interpreted to mean, having an executive with the same political and ethical priorities as myself is of the highest priority. This is coupled with them being of the kind of person, like FDR, who be willing to assert the kind of executive authority established under Trumpism.
It is now established in the US that both the Congress and the judiciary are secondary authorities to the executive branch.
A meek, milquetoast Democrat, or a greasy centrist, or yet another billionaire, taking office and just trying to glaze over and return to a neo liberal business as usual would be disastrous for this country. We need bold reforms and it’s not going to come through the legislative when the scope of executive powers have been expanded as such There are plenty of adequate Democrats to fill this Senate seat, it’s not one that the DNC is at risk of losing. Democrats, however, have not been effective at winning the presidency.
AOC being effective 20 years from now is of almost no value because timing is everything. Also, it’s clear to me that Bernie has been grooming her for a Presidential run now for several years. He’s handing off the reigns to the movement he built. AOC has been tossed around as a potential presidential candidate since her first upset. She the obvious progressive pick.
Right now in the mix for 2028 the three names available to you are Newsom, Pritzker, and AOC. There are boomers and Jefferies and Buttegiegs of the world that might throw their names in, but they are way lower down the tier list.
Your perspective seems to be based largely out of parochial thinking that you know best where AOCs skills and aptitudes should be deployed, and that the"true power" of the government lay in the Senate. I don’t think your opinions are with soit because you are ignoring the entirety of the context of the current political landscape and the entire redefinition of the structure of power which has happened under Trump. Thankfully though, like I’ll be doing, opinions like yours will be recognized as the anachronism that they are by the politically savvy, this be dutifully ignored.
Thankfully though, like I’ll be doing, opinions like yours will be recognized as the anachronism that they are by the politically savvy
lmao k
sorry for having a different opinion than you. jfc buddy wtf.
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Who else would you vote for in the midterms?
Right now I’m still trying to find someone to primary this fucking cunt, Ed Case. I had a line on someone in the first, but they’re now moving to Portugal. I’ve put out feelers to Tyler Dos-santos, but like, I’m pretty sure Tyler thinks he’s going to be governor and isn’t willing to fight Case. I’ve reached out to some a kanaka lawyer only to find out that her family is close family friends with Case.
Then there is this shit-bird: https://ballotpedia.org/Samantha_DeCorte
I’m trying to figure out if Desire Desoto is running. She came close but fell short and we ended up with a MAGA rep. Kanaka maoli are very pro-Trump.
Or are you employing you won’t vote for the DNC in the general?
You interpreting anything I said through that lens means your brain is fucking broken and need to step back from politics. Fuck off with any even fucking hinting of blue-maga bullshit that handed Trump the election.
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One of the few sitting Dems I’d vote for.
Support for what ever she decides is next, although I feel like the senate would be a better step. However the democrats dont really have a face to back that isnt some centerist that thinks its ok to play with the bully after they have taken your lunch money or someone that is older than Wonder Bread ™.
The electorate is still as old as hell and won’t like someone younger than them.
That’s why Barrack Obama lost.
I’m not sold on his face, but I do like the way Pritzker swings a bat. He’s a bit centrist, but at least he’s a fighter.
His problem is he’s a billionaire. But as a stop gap, I think he could work.
At this point, he is a billionaire by choice. He could donate to groups that work towards equitable living for the marginalized, but he doesn’t. He only has a couple billion, but that’s enough to make a very real impact for a lot of vulnerable people. This is very nearly the trolley problem. He can do nothing and let a lot of people die or he can intervene and save most but not all.
As Rush said (the band, not Limbaugh lol), If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
Id argue that he made a choice to use that as a cushion to allow him to devote himself to public service. I dont k ow if that is true, but my u derstanding is that he inherited this money. Doesnt mean he hs the same mindset of the person who accumulated it in the firstplace. Sins of the father and all.
Agreed, but my point is that most of us don’t get to just choose to be a billionaire. He does. Because he could choose to fund different things or donate to groups and he chooses not to. I’m not indicting him on exploiting people to amass that wealth, but he has chosen to keep billions of dollars for himself when he could be putting a lot of his money towards fighting the very things he says we need to fight.
That doesn’t necessarily make him a bad person; he just could be a whole hell of a lot better. I could donate more and don’t because I’d like to one day maybe be able to work less than full time before I die. He could have decided to never work a day in his life and instead opted to work a public service job, so props to him for that, but there’s still more I think he ought to be doing in these dire times.
That is also the philisophical crux of The Witcher series (books and games, not the TV show now starring the least-hot hemsworth)
The show was such a disappointment. There was solid source material to work off of, and they just shit all over it. They did Henry Cavill dirty, and dragged the witcher IP through the mud so much so it will probably never be put on screen again to present the actual story.
You never know, Hellboy got 3 different incarnations within 20 years despite having been a relatively unknown property outside of diehard comic readers.
Sadly they got progressively worse.
Imagine if AOC remained SML as long as Moscow Mitch.
AOC the SML of the USA
AOC SML or POTUS FTW
There’s no path where she becomes Senate Majority Leader. You don’t take the position off the corpse of your defeated opponent.
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They are going to basically offer her Chuck’s Senate seat, unopposed, as long as she doesn’t go after the nomination that they have already awarded to Newsom. He’s the Next One Up!
Nooooooo!
He literally pushed to make being unhoused a crime.
Newsom is fine. The right smears him and California almost as much as they did HRC. Don’t go along with their propaganda.
There’s more than just the right’s propaganda here. He’s a better choice than any MAGA, surely, but not the “Dem” I’d want.
Newsom is not fine, fuck that guy
Unfortunately the way the system works, you basically have to vote for who you’d fuck less
He needs to fuck off like Clinton, Pelosi, and the rest of them.
Bernie isn’t perfect but he’s 100x the human being you’ll ever be. Sit down.
Bernie is a class traitor.
And what exactly have you ever done for the working class!?
Like the other guy said, sit down. I’ll add, shut up.
For starters protesting for several years to ensure those living with HIV/AIDS had access to medication, demanding government research while people like Reagan and Fauci did nothing as we died. Then went on to protest for the Ryan White Act which proved free HIV medication, counseling, housing, etc for people living with HIV/AIDS. Protested for gay rights in Texas which resulted in Lawrence v Texas. Protesting oil and energy companies for environmental damage, protesting for the rights of Palestinians against US oligarchs that caused their slaughter.
You know real protest stuff and not these echo chamber parades liberals have.
For starters protesting
https://sandersinstitute.org/event/bernie-sanders-arrest-at-chicago-civil-rights-protest
ensure those living with HIV/AIDS had access to medication
https://www.politico.com/story/2012/05/sanders-floats-plan-to-make-hiv-drugs-less-costly-076300
Protested for gay rights
https://youtu.be/MAFlQ6fU4GM?t=155
https://www.vox.com/2015/7/7/8905905/sanders-drugs-gay-rights
Protesting oil and energy companies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifxBt2Tnh5E
protesting for the rights of Palestinians
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/17/bernie-sanders-israel-gaza-genocide
…
Your ire is so misplaced!
He then goes on to support a system that created those problems.
He continues to actively defend a man with a 20 year old nazi tattoo on his chest
E’rybody would benefit from Sanders shutting the fuck up and passing the torch.
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Just about 20 years too late.
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Ahh, another Democrat establishment Bot here to smear the first real progressive candidate Maine has ever seen! Chuck Shumer thanks you for your service.
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The guy went on 4 combat tours, including one as a PMC for Blackwater, and wants to pay soldiers better for their service to Western imperialism. The bar for progressives is so laughably low in the US, it’s tragic. Need I remind you that Hitler and Mussolini also appropriated some vague socialist talking points before taking power?
I think platner goes far beyond the bar just being low.
I personally haven’t verified it, but colleagues out in Maine have insisted that Smith-Rodriguez is basically the exact same thing as platner on paper (military veteran, demsoc platform, many of the same positions on issues) but with actual policy details and plans rather than just vibes and speeches. And… she was basically a laughing stock. Maybe it is that she didn’t have a big ol’ nazi skull on her chest or hadn’t served with Blackwater. Maybe it is that she is a woman. Maybe it is that whatever orgs are backing this complete nobody didn’t like her. But she flopped and has since endorsed the “kinda shitty” mayor (?), mostly on the grounds that she can’t support someone who has consistently hand-waived sexual assault as she is a victim of it from her time in the military.
But that is what fucking terrifies me. Because this isn’t a case of “Look… nobody is perfect but class politics above all” because… there was literally an option with the same politics. And Sanders I just assume is on whatever bullshit he was when he was backing fetterman. Homie has a LONG history of bad decisions on that front. But we also have basically all of breadtube and the left leaning podcast sphere supporting this nazi mercenary. And a LOT of establishment Democrats are on his side too (although they seem a lot faster to try to distance themselves from baby skorzeny…)
This is Democrats ACTIVELY backing someone who… best case scenario might be another fetterman. And… I am seeing a LOT of parallels to trump 2016.
At best? It is yet another case of the DNC gladly throwing women and people of color under the bus with the expectation that we’ll keep voting Blue because we have no choice (see also: all the attempts to glom liz fucking cheney onto Kamala). But this is really feeling like they listened to all of us who explained that we need another 2004 DNC Keynote moment to build up new candidates… and decided they wanted their own trump instead.
Please kys
Because it worked out so well the last two times the democrats tried to elect a female president.
Clinton lost to Trump.
Harris lost to Trump.
So what chance would AOC have against a more qualified republican candidate? And I say that with the assumption than anyone who isn’t a Trump is by default, a more qualified candidate.
I think that plenty of people who voted for Trump would be fine voting for a woman president as long as she’s strongly advocating change
These people just know that things aren’t great, they don’t know whose fault it was or what policies caused it. So they vote for the person who says they’ll change the most.
The largest deciding factor stated by people after voting was the economy. People remembered that there was a lot of inflation under Biden, and didn’t want to keep similar policies. Of course, we know that Trump’s first term had a pretty large influence on the state of the economy under Biden, and Biden’s policies probably didn’t hurt the economy. But the average voter is not that informed.
As a fucked up two-party system, the US cant really have female presidents. The candidate needs to round up new voters while retaining the old voters. A female candidate is sure to lose a lot of votes, just because she’s female and way too many idiots are uncomfortable with a woman in charge of something.
While I’d love to see AOC as president, I think the democrats badly need to find a male to take the role as candidate.
Excellent. I have been telling people she would be a great president, probably will be some day. If they can pull this off the next election already, USA will heal so much for sure.
Yeah she should run
AOC is a contender and the USA needs sane politicians to lead the country.
A female president of a normal age would be an amazing change for the US. Why does it always have to be geriatric males?
I really hate to say this, but there’s no way a woman will win in 2028 (if an election even happens).
The vast centrist vote will go towards stability and a return to the ‘values’ they think have been lost.
It sucks a lot, but the only viable choice will be a white man. I hate this, but it’s true.
Walz is probably the most politically viable choice. Does that suck? Yeah. But pragmatically, it’s just true.
Are these voters in the room with us right now?
Everyone who’s down voting you is in denial
I get it. The truth hurts, especially right now when what we desperately need is hope.
You’re 100% correct but last time the US ran on HOPE they got wedding drone strikes… I don’t have a whole lot of hope for them but maybe they can change that….
Quick edit: anything gives me more hope than the current shit sooooo
Sorry to be crass, but fuck that. Is anyone excited about the generic geriatric white male candidate? Tons of people love AOC and Bernie, too, for that matter. I think we need a candidate that actually inspires people. Someone that people want to vote for, volunteer for, canvas for, etc. Maybe I’m just a dreamer, though.
Walz actually would have me a little excited. He seems like a great person and a solid candidate.
I’d be more excited for AOC. It’s possible she wouldn’t have a chance, but if the will of the American people keeps disappointing, then at some point we have to hang it up and say we deserve what we get.
If we can’t vote in a woman at this point, then maybe the experiment really is over.
Hey man, I’m with you. This sucks a lot.
This situation is fucking terrible. Personally, I’d prefer Bernie would run himself, but he clearly doesn’t want to (and given his age, I can’t blame him).
To be completely honest, though, he’s got sort of a bad track record of backing other candidates, so if he’s endorsing AOC, that’s even more evidence she won’t win.
I agree with him on most things, and I’d absolutely back him as a candidate like 10 years ago, but he’s not a kingmaker. I wish we lived in a better world, but we don’t. Our world is fucking awful, politically speaking.
Frankly, I’ll vote for any democrat that challenges Trump. My logic is that only the Democratic Party has ANY actual shot at winning, so whether it’s AOC, Bernie, or he’ll even Vermin Supreme if they put him on the ballot. I will vote for a fucking brick if it’s a democrat and challenges Trump. It almost certainly cannot get worse.
Edit: and before people say Trump won’t be on the ballot in 2028… I wouldn’t be so sure about that lol. You hear/see the shit this guy says/does?
and before people say Trump won’t be on the ballot in 2028… I wouldn’t be so sure about that lol.
I think a large part of the problem is that he likely won’t be. He’s not in charge now, and once he dies in office, people will think the danger has passed.
The issue is people think trump is the cause rather than a symptom.
In 2028, especially if he’s dead and his grave is the county’s biggest toilet, many people will breathe a sigh and think everything has gone back to normal, ignoring that the real fascists are still in control. That will be when it becomes truly dangerous.
Trump is not in charge, and things will not change when he’s gone, but most people will think everything is fine then, and will go back to ‘politics as normal’.
Trump is not the cause, but he made it possible for these people to take power
Yeah, in the same way a cut allows you to get a staph infection.
But a hangnail or certain kinds of sex at a bad time can do that, too.
Trump is just the method of delivery. Staph was always there, waiting for an opportunity.
Yep. People like Curtis Yarvin and Thiel and Musk and “JD” are quite a bit younger than the pedo-in-chief.
The donor class that supported the construction of all the systems of radical right wing epistemic closure, long before Taco came along, are not going away, and neither is their money. And neither are those systems. If anything, those systems are being honed and perfected to be even worse than ever before (cable and local news are nothing compared to things like TikTok for being able to control minds).
People might think that Gen Y or Gen Z will be pissed off to make real changes, but I don’t believe it, for two reasons. One is that I’ve seen the same claims made about boomers and Gen X. The second is that Gen Y and Gen Z are poised to be the biggest beneficiaries of the largest wealth transfer in history. I seriously doubt that will radicalize them, and there is not much evidence of any kind of a big progressive swell in either of them as-is.
You’re right, but more to the point: they’ve largely solidified changes to the system via Project 2025 that will take decades to reverse, if they can be reversed at all.
I’m not talking about philosophical or ideological changes, but real, tangible changes to laws that are impervious to differences in who’s president or what the political landscape is.
The damage is largely done now. Even if by some miracle of the electorate going against everything that’s ever happened in the history of the nation and defying people’s nature and misogyny and whatever, AOC was somehow elected, it will take decades to begin to fix this.
The fact that people don’t understand this only solidifies my assessment that there’s no chance she could be elected. People simply do not understand the current political climate.
I wish this pipe dream could be true, because that would be a much better world than the one in which we live.
A woman will not win in America, probably for the next 40 years at least.
Bernies too old.
white geriatric walking dead
All of American Politics for $500, Alex.
The problem isn’t their genitals. The problem is their policies.
Especially support for Israel.
They have their genitals deep in Israel.
There’s a circumcision joke in there, but I’m fuckin’ spent. 🤷🏼♂️
Yes, it must be Walz. Dont run a woman against MAGA.
I agree, but Walz would have to be allowed to be himself. They reined him in last election and that sucked. I want him to go unchained and I don’t want anyone trying to have him dial it back…we need someone that is giving good reasons to vote FOR them, speaking plainly and showing some fight.
I wish it were otherwise because I would so love to see AOC in that office. But I just think there is just so much misogyny in this country. And the only people that Taco has (supposedly) won against were women.
It’s wild that places like Japan - often described to Westerners as being very male-dominated, etc. - have beat us to having a woman in the highest office. I guess maybe it’s possible that we were projecting a little there, hmmmmm?
Well, I suppose a Walz/Cortez instead of Cortez/Walz ticket would be better than nothing.
Walz has a hell of a lot more chance than aoc. And I really like him. And hes a lot better than most.
I really hate to say this, but there’s no way a woman will win in 2028
Bullshit. That the lie youve all told yourselves, but the reality is that you choose a shit candidate that happened to be a woman, in Harris. She was presenting herself as a republican moderate, while she had hollywood running around on her behalf saying the “woke” shit that people are fucking sick to death of.
No, the reason that AOC wont get the nom, or the support, is because shes what the Dems dont want. Someone who wont bend the knee to the party leaders or their rich donors. Just last year she was nailed on for a house committee seat, and Nancy fucking Pelosi from her fucking hospital bed, rallied to make sure she didnt get it. Instead it went to a 75 year old man with fucking cancer. And yes, he died 4 months later, and they STILL wont give her the seat.
AOCs problem, isnt that shes a woman. Its that shes the second coming of Bernie. She would get shit done that most voters actually want. In 2016, being utterly sick of the money and corruption in politics, even Republicans said they would vote for Bernie. YES, OVER TRUMP!!! And the DNC still fucked him. They will fuck AOC as well, like they already have. Because she would win. She would get votes from all over the political spectrum because she would drag the US into the new millennium, finally getting Americans healthcare that doesnt bankrupt them or deny them service, because it would be free at point of need. The millionaires and billionaires would get taxed properly, and education would be easier to access and afford/be free.
AOC, Bernie and those like them are what America needs to realise the dream that so many Americans have been denied since birth. Her vagina isnt the issue. The fact she would be good for the people is.
Can we just have her as the 1st pres of New California, instead? Fuck the rest of these maggoty losers and their suckhole fanbase. Maybe a new start ain’t so bad an idea, and the DNC can choke on their long-impatient headstones, et al.
Lol no. I’m old enough to not care about Harris’s minuscule blip on the political landscape, and to understand far larger social trends than that.
The fact you think this is about Harris of all the decades of social trends makes it clear you have no idea what I mean, and maybe you should take a moment to learn some things before writing such a diatribe.
In fact, I’m pretty sure you’re precisely the type who, when trump dies, will think everything has gone back to normal. I hope I’m wrong about that, because this whole thing is far larger and plays out over a far longer time scale than you think. Please prove me wrong.
Social trends have changed. No one gives a fuck that youre a woman. Only racists and sexists think a 50 year old white man is the only option.
Trump is not now, nor has he ever been the problem. The culture wars, and those that participate in them are the problem. It would be fine it stuck to the internet, but its bleeding out. And Trump, among others, weaponised it.
But the fact remains, that the desire to see change in American politics is as strong now as it was in 2016, when Trump conned a lot of people with “Drain the swamp”. AOC is that change. The only question is whether or not the DNC and the party as a whole will get the fuck out of the way, or just fuck her over again like they did last year and like they did Bernie in 2016 and 2020.
No one gives a fuck that youre a woman.
Bullshit.
You don’t, but you’re not everyone.
A massive part of understanding the world is understanding that you’re not everyone. My entire career has been to understand other people, and step 1 is to realise that you are not everyone. It’s very counterintuitive for most of us, but also very necessary if you hope to understand things.
I am not everyone, and I am not speaking for myself here. If the world were me, I’d 100% say AOC could win. I’d fucking love that.
But I am not the world.
Bullshit.
Sorry, but thats just culture wars talking. AOC is the new Bernie. And people will vote for the change that they represent. Loud, doesnt mean majority. It never did.
Okay. Sure, my entire life on this planet and all of my lived experience is ‘culture wars’.
Believe what you like, I’ll not stop you.
This isn’t ‘culture wars’ – whatever that even means here. It’s me talking to you. Being reductionist only makes you seem pithy, which is actually rather sad.
We’re probably done here, if you can’t even have a conversation without resorting to catch phrases.
I really hate to say this
do you though?
I legitimately do.
well. shit. If we cant unite behind a good candidate because we think an asshat consolation candidate must win, I dont know how we win, because the asshat candidates always sell us out in the end. It the DNC way of things.
It’s the human way of things.
DNC or not, even if they were as perfect as you’d like them to be, trying to unite people on the left is like herding cats.
Have you tried having discussions with multiple people on the left? I’ll bet you have, and I’ll bet you’ve been frustrated.
The problem with any of left of centre is that we believe in things and aren’t a flock of sheep. That’s good, but also politically very bad for us.
even if they were as perfect as you’d like them to be
debateable. We cant grease the wheels of our government with massive amounts of innocent’s human blood. If we do that then we dont deserve to exist ourselves.
Unfortunately. zionists support war crimes, and you can depend on them causing more war crimes if they get power. I cant have that. I’d rather the whole system burn down around us, and lots of people think that way. I think people conflating red lines with “not being perfect” is leaning into excusing ourselves of our responsibilities to each other.
Walz is an “asshat consolation candidate”? 🥹
He’s a zionist.
Oh. Hunh. Welp… 🤦🏼♂️
yeah. otherwise I do like him a lot.
