Carnist brainwashing is a real thing that’s rampant in our fascist society.
Milk isn’t carne tbh
Milk? No. Dairy production? Absolutely.
I’m on the older end of Gen Z and this was definitely a thing when I was little. My parents didn’t buy into the milk thing, but I had a teacher who went wild with it. I forget how exactly it happened, but she found out I had cereal for breakfast without milk poured on because that was how I liked it. She decided this meant my parents were neglecting my needs and that it was her job to “make up” for it during lunch time.
I’d often end up sick trying to get it all down. I’m not lactose intolerant, it was just that the amount she required me to drink (five cartons one after another) was more than I could keep down. (Years later, when The Gallon Challenge became a thing, it brought back the memories, though at least I wasn’t forced to drink quite that much.)
I’d rarely gotten sick before, so once I was being sent home for vomiting frequently, my parents learned what was happening and made it stop.
It only lasted a couple weeks, but I never drank milk again afterwards, so that teacher accomplished the exact opposite of what she wanted.
Wow, that’s child abuse. What a scary teacher!
Christians should not be allowed near children.
Not a Christian apologist, but where did it mention the teacher being Christian?
It didn’t, but I’ve met a few like that and they always were.
give me and place
kinky.
I got a kidney stone from how much milk I drank in high school
Also, a bunch of vulnerable individuals were murdered from how much milk you drank.
Boy I hope you never eat any dairy free chocolate or drink coffee. Then we’re talking about literal human slavery
The countries that practice human slavery (including child slaves) are easy enough to avoid if you know how, but their products are in every cheap chocolate treat in every North American grocery store. One has to take care.
I’m not aware of the slavery in coffee production. I don’t consume it but I’d be interested in learning more to pass along.
But what is the relevance of these things? Not sure why you’re whatabouting atrocity but I hope you are as diligent about avoiding the abuse of vulnerable individuals as you would like me to be.
It’s quite relevant. If drinking milk makes you a murderer then in that view consuming chocolate makes you a slaver.
I’d argue someone enslaving humans is way worse than anyone killing cows. But that’s up to your own morality to determine.
I hope you are as diligent about avoiding the abuse of vulnerable individuals as you would like me to be.
Don’t suddenly act like you weren’t calling other murderers for their consumption choices. Not too nice when it’s turned around?
Do you avoid coffee and chocolate then?
they arnt individuals until they reach the egg and inseminate it…
Not exactly sure what you’re trying to get at. Something about abortion?
What you’ve been kept from understanding all your life is that all milk comes from a mother. To milk a cow, first you have to get her pregnant. She’ll provide milk for about a year, and you have to get her pregnant again. A dairy produces hundreds or thousands of calves a year that they have no use for. They go often into veal because a farmer would get a better return from a breed specialized for producing meat rather than milk. So an inevitable side effect of buying milk at the supermarket is murdering a bunch of babies.
If I have to explain it, its not funny. It was a masterbation joke. Lighten up.
I would waterboard myself with a tall cold frothy glass of whole chocolate milk. I’m a dirty little milk slut. I think I was essentially stockholmed into it. I remember being like “ew fat bad” as a kid and drinking skim for cereal. But somewhere down the line that turned into me just slopping heavy whipping cream neat. I mean fuck me I’m drinking a chocolate milk on my walk to work right fucking now.
I once drabk so much chocolate milk in a short time that I almost puked. Was like almost 2L
I worked cleaning dishes in my college cafeteria, and one of the idiots working there made a bet that he could drink a gallon of milk without puking.
3 minutes later, he ran back into the dishroom and began vomiting in the soaking tub.
The human body physically rejects dairy at a certain point.
I know. I have seen videos from like 2010 of people puking after trying that. Although 2L is still quite a bit less than a gallon.
It’s ~half
Indeed. Which I would say is quite a bit less than a gallon which is ~twice that.
Yeesh, drinking that much fluid in one go can be really dangerous, yeah.
This is true, but drinking two liters of milk is a lot less dangerous than drinking two liters of water, because that much water at once will throw your electrolyte balance off, and that’s what can kill you. Milk has electrolytes in it so the effect isn’t necessarily as dire. But… still wouldn’t recommend it.
Fuck I did once drink 3L of water in the span of 20 minutes just to see how much I could drink. After about 2.5L you can barely even drink at all. Not to mention how hard you have to go piss
4/10 body returned the product
So you’re saying it’s what plants crave?
Not as much as Brawndo, but yes.
I once drank so much milk I did puke. 10/10 experience tbh, cause like, I love milk. But also that was a good solid push during the purge phase of that.
Once I learned fat is good, I started laying heavy layers of butter, lots of cheese, drinking whole milk, etc. And it tastes good, because we’ve evolved to like what’s good for us.
because we’ve evolved to like what’s good for us.
Lots of tasty berries will kill you. So will tons of would-be herbs. Processed sugar is delicious. So are a lot of foods with trans fats. Cyanide apparently tastes like almonds. And kids ate lead paint chips because they were sweet.
Nice job, evolution!
We also developed brains to learn which things will kill us despite tasting good, so that’s fine. Very good job, evolution!
Yeah that part is true, I’m just saying that something tasting good doesn’t mean it’s good for you
In certain cases, sure. But for the most part, if it tastes good and can be found in nature ready to eat, it’s usually good for you. But yes yes yes, certain conditions apply, etc etc yadda yadda.
Cow’s milk is good food.
“But some people are lactose intolerant!”
Too bad for them.
“Saturated fat clogs arteries! You’re gonna have a heart attack!”
It’s far more complicated than that, and not nearly as big a concern as most people think.
No food stolen from the oppression of other beings can be good food. Cow’s milk is for baby cows only.
I mean it’s pretty tasty though
Your sensory pleasure really shouldn’t be rated anywhere close to a beings wish to avoid suffering. Not going to respond to anything more you post because your first comment was basic troll bait and this conversation with openers like yours will go nowhere and make me angry.
It’s so fun when people just run in, foist their personal choices on others then call them the troll.
Yeah they were the ones that instigated.
All because someone said they like to drink milk, but I’m the troll?
You can not excuse harm to others as a personal choice. When there is a victim “personal choice” is irrelevant.
There’s nothing inherently wrong with it as a food, like most other foods, but it’s not a health panacea as it was portrayed in milk advertising previously. Its main drawback for public health is that it is fairly calorically dense, so while it may be better for you than soda, for those looking to lose weight, milk should not be your primary beverage.
Also: the dairy industry is questionable at best, from an animal treatment standpoint, as well as environmental.
It’s also got an unexpected amount of sugar in it, so people don’t realize what it can do to a kid’s teeth.
Very true, the same fact also makes it a bad choice for those with diabetes as well.
Agreed, but people without toes should also be tolerated.
toelerated*
Peach!
That milk isn’t for you. It’s stolen.
The calf grew up already.
It’s entirely possible to take only excess milk from a cow, especially as she will continue to lactate for as long as you continue to milk her. But I also feel it’s important for you to know that in the industrial dairy industry what they do is get her pregnant, take the calf away immediately after birth, and then get her pregnant again soon after.
You realize that these cows are not feeding calves, right? **It’s all excess. **
If you keep extracting the milk, they keep producing it, even years after their offspring has grown up.
That’s not a justification for stealing the milk. It’s not yours.
My family took care of a small herd of dairy goats when I was growing up. They could definitely make their displeasure known if you tried to make them do something they didn’t want to (especially when they were very nearly your own weight). Milking time? Most days they were perfectly happy to jump up on the stand for us to relieve their udders for them, sometimes even before we’d gotten everything set up.
I am careful where I get my milk from because the big dairy institutions are rather problematic. And I agree that the broad disempowerment and incarceration inherent in farming is an issue on its own. But saying that milk is always, unequivocally, unwanted theft (and respectively that farms provide an unqualified worse life) is just the other side of the same human-exceptionalism coin – you’re removing their agency to say “yes”.
Weren’t these species selectively bred to have excess milk for us?
There’s no sustainable way to do this for 8 billion people, so frankly I don’t give a shit.
Ah, good to know you have a argument ready to allow you to move the goalposts, and that you won’t accept any solutions for achieving utopia that don’t come out of the gate already perfect.
To be equally blunt, my response wasn’t “all eight billion people should drink small-farm milk”, it was “you’re being anthropocentric in a very similar vein to saying all other animals are automata.” If you really do think humans are the only species which can have and express desires and dislikes, then enjoy your biological essentialism.
I believe in verbal consent and think your argument is uncomfortably similar to rape apologia - you can just tell she wants it!
Cows don’t have a concept of property.
Do you have a source for that or are you just guessing because it’s a cow?
I don’t need to guess. Because it’s a cow.
But you do guess, because it’s a cow. You don’t know you aren’t a cow (I guess?).
60 years ago they thought that babies did not feel pain. I suppose we can always rely on our intuition to tell us what’s true or not.
Some people still think animals don’t feel pain, or have feelings at all. Anybody who has spent time with one of them will know that’s bs.
Why couldn’t cows have a concept similar to what we consider property? Just because they are “inferior” to you.
Cows have to be tricked into letting their milk down. They won’t let you steal it otherwise.
Uhh, the people saying saturated fats clog arteries are right. Which is why the American Heart Association recommends aiming to keep it under 6% of total calories, as well as seeking to replace saturated fats with sources of unsaturated fats.
You are absolutely on a path to heart attack if you don’t reign in those kinds of foods.
So needlessly hostile. Rawr!
I’m gen z and the milk propaganda was everywhere lmao, what’s this person talking about
Several years ago I became allergic to milk (like actually allergic, not lactose intolerant). I’m doing oral immunotherapy treatments for it now, so I have to drink 20mL of it a day. I used to love milk before I became allergic to it. Now I can’t stand it. I’m not sure how I enjoyed it so much.
It’s more enjoyable without a histamine rush
Definitely, but I also don’t care for the flavor any more. It just tastes weird.
Now butter on the other hand… holy shit. You just can’t replace that flavor. It’s amazing.
Malk
I hate milk so much. The taste, the texture. Just the thought of drinking a glass of milk again makes me want to projectile vomit. I had to drink a glass of milk for dinner every night as a kid. I wasn’t allowed to leave the table until it was gone. Sometimes I’d sit there for an hour just trying to force myself to drink it. My parents were like, just drink the milk, it’s not so bad, get it over with, but it felt like being tortured every night. I was violently ill afterwards almost every time.
Turns out I’m both lactose intolerant and neurodivergent. Yes I was being a little drama queen, but I at least had reasons :)
Who knew? One-size fits all health guidance doesn’t actually work!
Supporting you, not trying to diminish your experience.
I was made to spell ‘pepsi’ before getting caffeinated sugar syrup at dinner. Looking back, that seems like poor decision making on my parents’ part, but I can see the good intended behind the act. Hopefully we learn from those that came before… and make new and exciting mistakes!
Weird. I loved milk as a kid and still do. We were never forced to drink it, but we were encouraged a bit. One of my favorite snacks was banana chocolate milk, and I still enjoy a bowl of cold cereal.
The only thing I was forced to eat as a kid was veggies.
I couldn’t drink it as a kid without cacao, but somehow as an adult it was fine.
Still don’t drink it much, I prefer mineral water. Nice and salty
I used to love dairy and milk. Now I’m lactose intolerant. Drinking milk means destroying another toilet these days.
My sincere, deep condolences
Giving up dairy was surprisingly more challenging than giving up animal flesh. I felt subtle withdrawal symptoms for months on a physical level, that was reminiscent of quitting nicotine. But on the plus side my body as a whole felt distinctly better, far less inflamed after quitting all of that and replacing it with foods that are mostly anti-inflammatory (except when I binge on chips or popcorn).
But sometimes I wonder, how much does carrying guilt impact the body?
Guilt probably raises cortisol levels.
Could you recommend some easy to digest foods, which work well as anti inflammatories? Like, which have you noticed having a great effect compared to some with a low effect?
I ask as I get gut inflammation quite badly.
Having a healthy gut microbiome is itself anti-inflammatory, so you want to feed your little guys lots of prebiotic foods like crucifers, garlic, oats, and more. Some healthy bacteria thrive on the mucus you generate while fasting, a practice which also reduces inflammation.
If you’re having problems with your digestive system enough to ask about it, it’s possible you have an undiagnosed allergy or sensitivity. Many digestive sensitivities are identifiable only through an elimination diet since they don’t provoke an immune response to test the blood for. A food diary is a good place to start, but it can be really difficult to notice patterns. You should definitely work with a doctor if that’s a realistic option for you.
One thing to keep in mind is that reducing and removing pro-inflammatory foods is equal, if not more important, because otherwise you are just perpetually trying to heal from the same wounds you keep freshly laying down. When it comes to gastrointestinal problems, things get complicated. I’ve found three specialists on the subject whose work might help you. One is Dr. Sean Spencer. The other, whose books might be exactly what you’re looking for, is Dr. Will Bulsiewicz. And the last is Dr. Alan Desmond.
I’d like to give you a convenient list of foods, but for those of us with these illnesses, each one is a unique quagmire to untangle and I haven’t even fully solved my own gut illness yet (though my symptoms are consistently much better than they used to be).
This is incredibly helpful, thank you so much!
I have diverticular disease, which occasionally gets set off. It can be a real mess sometimes!
Meanwhile Americans still eating fucking eggs like Gaston, and freaking out whenever the price goes up because they have a dozen a day.
Dude had 60 eggs every morning. That means there’s basically an entire henhouse dedicated to his breakfast.
Meanwhile, in town there’s a woman panicking to get just a few eggs, and the rest of the food in town seems overpriced.
Gaston was wrecking the local economy with his appetite.
