The development comes after a presentation to the International Olympic Committee by its medical chief, which highlighted the potential physical advantages of competing in women’s sport after being born male.
boycott the olympics then
Another reason to
Good IMO. People transition because they have a need that they decided transitioning will satisfy. If that need is beating non-trans women at sports, where they know they have an unfair advantage, then fuck them. That’s literally taking advantage of people weaker than you.
There are plenty of facets in their life where they can express their transition without abusing others.
Or maybe trans women athletes just want to … compete in athletics? If you look at how successful the extremely small number of such athletes are, you will find that they succeed at completely normal rates.
Someone once pointed out to me “Oh but what about this one?” to which I replied, “Ah, so trans women athletes are only a ‘problem’ when they succeed.”
tl;dr: Go fuck yourself.
Any data you can throw at me before hurling insults? I find it hard to believe that their performance is on par with their female peers, specially in contact sports.
I thought you did research. Must have been too hard for you.
Is it unreasonable to ask for your research, when mine contradicts yours? Specially with the confidence you stated your facts.
Apparently, since you never did. Do I just need to use small words for you, so you can understand what’s being discussed?
There is no actual advantage, they are restricted from competing for 2 years after transitioning, and any advantage is already lost during the first year.
Basically, the problem was already solved decades ago. Since that 2 year period was implemented, there has provably never been a case of unfair advantage. Any of the ones hitting the news lately have all been disproven.
Anyone still trying to push for it now has not actually looked into it and believing disinformation spread by, at best ignorant people and at worst hateful people.
No one transitions with regards to how they will perform at sports. People transition for themselvrs, and some percentage of people also like competing at sports. They don’t want to never be able to compete again due to random unrelated or unaffected people not knowing they don’t have an advantage.
Been wondering about this! Sure age of transition doesn’t play a factor, even after 2 years? I can’t see how a teen transitioning isn’t different from an older man transitioning.
I’d consider the International Olympic Committee to be among the most knowledgeable people regarding this matter. Two years on hormones won’t affect your bone density, ligaments, or other traits you acquired after puberty.
I wonder why they chose a picture if the Orange Clown to ilústrate it, I’d prefer OP had used another source, like the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6795023/2025/11/10/olympics-ioc-transgender-women-ban/
Here’s a study from 1997 about HRT and bone density, it’s about cis women though, I’m guessing youll advocate for post menopausal women to be banned from competition too?
although I presume you can’t read
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378512296010985
If people are explicitly transitioning for that reason, sure. They transitioned years ago and have worked through the actual process of training in a sport they love: fuck them, I guess. A woman that has too high levels of natural T: Get outta here! Someone complained that you are cheating: hit the road!
This is the rhetoric that right wingers push, and is just a dangerous fucking road to travel.
Seriously. Imagine thinking that someone would put themselves through that kinda endocrine disruption, societal scrutiny/isolation, just for a trophy. I’m assuming from context clues homie said something along the lines of “what about dudes that transition so they get a competitive edge?”
This person above me literally thinks that people are willing to go through with making permanent changes to their bodies just to cheat at sports or be pervs in bathrooms or some shit and not to, you know, have their body match who they really are more closely.
At the time when Oscar Pistorious was competing, there was an actual conversation around the fear that people would get their legs amputated so they could get prosthetics like he had if it would gain them a competitive advantage. No one actually knew if his prosthetic legs gave a real advantage because there was no way to do a comparison without having a real athlete go through the amputations.
If you look into the scene around body building and the extreme lengths people go to with steroids, extreme diets, dehydration and more, it doesn’t seem all that implausible that some people would transition in order to gain a competitive advantage. Heck, some people deliberately get their legs broken in order to stretch out the bones just so they can be taller (no competitive reason). That’s an extremely painful process undergone for less extreme reasons.
Jesus Christ don’t put words in my mouth! See what I wrote, I never said it was the main reason they transitioned. I don’t even get how would you relate my comment to bathroom pervs.
Any arguments related to sports performance, which was my main point?
Probably don’t talk about people’s transitions if you have no clue what you’re talking about. Thanks!
Thanks for your prompt but superficial comment! I’ll give it the proper consideration!
Don’t bother. You have no idea what you’re talking about. The advantage you assume exists doesn’t. There’s no deluge of trans people overtaking cis people at any sport.
You’re fear mongering about shit you don’t understand remotely. Shut the fuck up.
No.
Do some fucking research then.
I did.
No.
Ignorant, hateful, ignorant, fearful, ignorant.
Just, really shitty and deeply misinformed.
If you knew any trans people you would realise just how fucking stupid what you wrote is.
I don’t know what you’re taking from my comment, so I’ll restate it in fewer words: male-to-female trans shouldn’t compete with female athletes, it’s unfair.
Rationalize it however you want, but please just think about how many female-to-male trans have competed with male athletes and got in the podium?
Spoiler: none. Why would they put themselves as such disadvantage?
Who fucking cares about this irrelevant pissing contest anymore. It’s all politics and doping scandals, what does the undercarriage have to do with ANY of that? Why would anyone even aspire to even compete in this in today’s world.
Public schooled?
Careful, your prejudice might be showing. It’d be awfully embarassing for people to find out how terribly simplistic the paradigms are with which you’re evaluating worthiness of your peers.
It would be a shame if others realized i prejudged them on there subpar education.
It would be a shame that I so accurately deduce the competency of the masses.
I think my elitist simplistic paradigms are showing…
I hate that I have to dumb down my speech so that the ignorant masses can comprehend
…prejudged them on there subpar education
Very funny to use the wrong homophone in your weird cringey diatribe about how much smarter and more educated you are than everyone else
Do trans women keep placing number 1 during competition?
No, but there was that fuss last year at the Olympics because some of the boxers looked manly. They weren’t even trans, incidentally, not that that little fact ever made the headlines or the Facebook groups.
I think a lot of people are going to boycott these Olympics. The trump regime doesn’t deserve to host.
Watch them ban transgender women and clowns like JK Rowling STILL accuse cis women in the Olympics of being trans
I mean they still say that about Imane Khelif so
He’s a dude though
Imane Khelif is a DSD male and was incorrectly assigned female at birth, not transgender. Confirmed by independent sex test done by an accredited lab:
https://www.3wiresports.com/articles/2025/6/1/xxyetyl1aewfij823hnfdrsbi1sqjm
Go die in a fire.
That’s a terrible link. There’s no evidence there whatsoever.
Khelif is a woman.
It’s easy to use motivated reasoning to dismiss things you don’t want to be true. Why do you think Khelif is a woman?
I don’t know. Perhaps I’ll start with the fact it’s highly unlikely a Muslim country would allow a trans male to represent them in boxing at the Olympics?
How about you pass that bar first?
Khelif was incorrectly assigned female at birth and is not trans. Many people with male DSDs like that don’t find that they’re not female until puberty
is not trans
Correct. She’s a woman. That’s why her country allowed her to box as one.
Fun meme. But where is your proof otherwise?
Says the girl giving random-ass blog as proof
It’s easy to dismiss that as a “random-ass blog” because you’re engaging in motivated reasoning, but it’s certainly not the only evidence:
https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/11/20/imane-khelif-medical-records/
Again, you have nothing. It’s fun to argue and all, but I’ll remind anyone reading this that until evidence of Khelif being female is presented, any other response is sophistry meant to distract you.
Did you even read your own link?
The screenshots shown in Ait Aoudia’s reporting are unverified. Snopes reached out to the doctors and hospitals associated with the alleged reports. They either did not respond or would not, as a matter of policy, confirm their authenticity or if Khelif was ever a patient of theirs. Ait Aoudia did not provide Snopes with any details of his source(s).
Even if the reports published by Ait Aoudia are authentic, however, the alleged findings have been misrepresented. If true, they would not conclusively prove that Khelif “is a man.” Instead, as Snopes explains here, they would highlight the reality that, from a scientific standpoint, gender is not actually as binary as some suggest it to be.
So yeah, go fuck yourself with a cactus.
In case this asshat deletes her comment, this was the link given as ‘evidence’
https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/11/20/imane-khelif-medical-records/
you don’t have evidence! your shady blogs and discredited idiots are more like negative evidence! i mean, babygirl, did you read that snopes article? cuz i promise it doesn’t support what youre saying
key excerpts you must have missed, surely by accident:
The screenshots shown in Ait Aoudia’s reporting are unverified. Snopes reached out to the doctors and hospitals associated with the alleged reports. They either did not respond or would not, as a matter of policy, confirm their authenticity or if Khelif was ever a patient of theirs. Ait Aoudia did not provide Snopes with any details of his source
and
Even if the reports published by Ait Aoudia are authentic, however, the alleged findings have been misrepresented
those are almost at the top of the article!
so first i think you should ask someone to read this to you, then ask them to also read the rest of the snopes article, where it talks about the sex spectrum and intersexuality. none of which is in the article because it applies to khelif, but only to the nonsense brainless idiots spout. if you actually read the article you linked, you might realize that if someone was born with the corresponding genitalia, they might just be that sex, regardless of hormone levels or whatever genetic bullshit people wanna pretend applies to khelif so they can fantasize about azalia amineva still being undefeated.
i know youre a lost cause, but to anyone else who reads this thread, please remember: this is even dumber because even though none of it applies to khelif anyway, trans and intersex people are still fucking people and should be allowed to compete. not in their own league. theyre not undesireables. theyre not diseased. just let people play their games!
Lmao is that just some dude’s blog? Your accredited lab is bullshit, your blogger here literally spouts a bunch of hearsay and conjecture what about a clarification from the IOC implies, then has the gall to throw out the phrase “facts are facts.”
Also I love this: “3 Wire Sports remains the only journalistic outlet to have seen these 2022 and 2023 tests.” Holy shit lol.
But yeah, sure thing, whatever you say sweetie
It’s easy to wave your hands and cry “bullshit”. Where is your evidence that Khelif is female? You can’t produce any, because it doesn’t exist
Fuck the Olympics. It’s corrupt, it’s full of cheaters and gamblers, and now more bigotry.
To give everyone some perspective on the BS behind these transphobic bans: professional darts and professional chess both have trans bans. It’s never been about fairness in sports
Why should chess and darts be treated differently? There’s evidence that males have an advantage in darts:
https://www.mdx.ac.uk/news/2023/2/linda-duffy-darts-psychology/
Given how many sports that males have an advantage in, it certainly seems reasonable to have sex-based competitions as the default.
Weird how it’s only about trans women and never trans men.
Its weird? Really?
No… come on man, im sure you can figure this one out… youre playing dumb anyway.
Sometimes it’s trans men, too. https://thetyee.ca/News/2025/11/10/Changed-Rules-Shut-Trans-Bodybuilder-Out-Competition/
I don’t think it’s that weird. The men’s competitions don’t forbid anyone from competing if they can qualify. Cis women are allowed, and in some cases have competed in men’s sports, such as hockey. Men’s divisions should more properly be called “open” divisions.
I see … Although they are not called that, are they. So now you’re accusing the organizers of basic incompetence or dishonesty. Which is it? … And if either of those is accurate, it raises other questions, too.
I think they’re incompetent at choosing the correct word and would like to understand what this implies.
No, you’re putting words into my mouth. I never accused them of basic incompetence.
Women’s sports have rules that say (some variation of) “you must be a woman to join.” Men’s sports don’t have any rules like that. Women play in lower level men’s sports all the time. They just don’t make it to the top level.
now you’re accusing
Putting words in people’s mouths is an extremely immature debate tactic, don’t expect anyone to respect you or take you seriously doing that.
Don’t (most) transmen inject/otherwise take testosterone? That would be doping if a cis man did it. So I do think there’s an argument there (not really any better than the argument against transwomen in women’s sports, in both cases imo hormone levels just need to be monitored and you can have pretty much equal competition).
I also think at the top level it’s not entirely invalid to say you don’t want people with heavily modified bodies competing. Anything that isn’t either the global top level or professional I find it completely ridiculous though, the level is just so wildly variant that any tiny advantage potentially gained from that is negligible anyway.
But also everything I know about the science behind it tells me trans athletes are completely fine (in trans womens case after some minimum time or HRT) because as it turns out hormones kinda determine everything about your body.
The range matters. If you’re taking T prescribed by your doctor to get within the normal range for your gender (regardless of reason, whether you’re trans or if you have T deficiency as a cis man) then you won’t be barred from competition.
Where you cross the line is when you inject T to go above the normal range in order to build muscle and recover faster. That’s what’s considered doping and doctors can’t ethically prescribe that.
They’ll just force them to compete against women, then when a trans man wins, it’ll be sold as “man pretending to be woman steals medals from women”, then extend the whole trans ban.
Even the reporting is biased; trans women aren’t born male.
What? I’m confused. Are you talking about how not all trans women are born males, that we have been women all along, or is this some new grammar I’m missing?
I’m saying trans women are women. They might be born with xy chromosomes most of the time, or they might be born with a functioning penis and testes most of the time, but they are still women.
It’s why we say “assigned male at birth” instead of “born male”.
Oh, thank you for clarifying. I did not notice that little bit. You are right though. That shit gets so suttle sometimes. Amab not “born male.” I honestly wouldn’t have caught that. Well, i didn’t haha.
It can be subtle and nuanced for sure! Some people probably thought my comment was ignorant or transphobic.
It definitely made me have to stop and ask. I’m glad i did. Thanks for being an awesome internet person 😊
What!?
If it wasn’t for the culture wars, it would be another Oscar Pistorius situation. Not the murder, the prosthetics.
For those who don’t know this guy was a runner whose legs were amputated, and he got replacement prosthetics that made him as good if not better than runners with natural legs. There was some debate if his disability actually gives him an advantage, if it should be allowed at all.
And proceeded to shoot his girlfriend on valentine’s day.
Right, but before he became a murderer he was an inspiration to many people.
The news of his trial hit many people like a punch in the gut. How could such an inspirational person commit such a horrible crime? It was one of the worst feelings of betrayal experienced by the public.
Blindly, through a bathroom door. Reading about that fucked me up.
You should want to abolish the premise of womens sports that’s progressive, otherwise you are admitting women should be in leagues of their own.
Sooo…
-Trans athletes form their own leagues. -Other athletes start competing because they go where the competition is and/or ideological reasons. -Olympics slowly become irrelevant.
Good job, Olympics.
I will remind everyone that as of 2023, about 3% of 18-24 yr olds identified as transgender. That’s a lot of people, and that percentage is only going to go up.
That sounds super duper likely
Welp, time for the Queer Olympics to become a thing again.
A competition of the fastest, strongest, sweatiest gays…
In the greek tradition we will bring back the kynodesme.
They should also ban tall people from playing basketball. They have a potential physical advantage over short people.
No, they should get rid of men/women split and divide people into tiers. Each athlete would be assigned to tier based on his performance and we would have gold, silver and bronze medals in each tier. We would then say “Phelps won a Tier A gold medal in the Olympics” or “Williams won Tier D gold medal”. This way it would be 100% fair and non-discriminatory.
Tall people were born tall. It would be unfair for a person born tall to identify as short and play short people basketball.
if they got surgery to reduce their size would you be okay with it?
It was a reductive, simplistic example.
How about this?
A trans woman college swimmer. There is nothing stopping her from competing in men’s swimming. She decides to compete in women’s swimming events instead and beats every woman in the district in every race. Is that fair? Who is it fair to? Is it fair to all those girls who worked their entire lives, who spent evenings and weekends in the pool to become elite women atheletes to be beaten by a trans woman?
If Lance Armstrong decided, at the peak of his performance, that she was a woman and entered every women’s cycling event in the world and set world records that no woman could ever match would that be fair? Is that fair? Who is if fair to?
If Carlos Alcaraz decided today that she was a woman and entered women’s tennis competitions and easily beat every other woman who entered would that be fair? Who would it be fair to?
If you took an Aston Martin DB12S and put an MGB body on it and entered it in classic car hill climb competitions would that be fair?
So the effort trans women put in to compete doesn’t count for anything, people just decide to transition to win sporting events, and trans women are men with a different body. Wow, you really hit the trifecta of shit takes.
Wow, those are quite the arguments I put forward in your head. I notice that you didn’t adress any of my questions about fairnes.
If you want to have a conversation please answer my questions. If you just want to hiss and spit I’ll take a pass.
There are no legitimate questions about the fairness of it:
https://www.genderjustice.us/commentary/trans-athletes-are-not-the-real-threat/
“In fact, after hormone therapy, trans women’s performance aligns with cisgender women’s performance.”
The key bit there being “hormone therapy”.
Your notion that men choose to compete as women so they can dominate is absolute, complete, 100% transphobic bullshit.
That’s not the way ANY of this works.
The real question to ask is why Republicans want to ban hormone therapy.
Sorry, it’s not worth having baby’s first “what is a trans person” conversation with you, which would be clearly needed before delving into the nitty gritty. Take that pass! Go somewhere else.
I’ve probably had trans friends since before you were born. Don’t lecture me.
You don’t want to have the discussion of fairness because it’s hard and chanting slogans, organizing boycots, and labelling anyone who doesn’t agree with the group thought a transphobe is easy.
If you want to have a converation, I’m here. If you just want to hiss and spit, I’ll pass.
Tall people were born tall.
The tallest baby ever born was 28 inches tall. That’s 2’4”.
I’m not tall, but I’m taller than that.
I put it to you that babies are born short and grow over time.
That was a silly example.
How about male people were born male. A man can present as a woman but she is still male. Nothing will ever change that. (Except in the 1.7% of cases where the person is intersexed but that isn’t what we’re talking about.)
The real problem is that we need to find a solution that is fair to everyone (including female atheletes that want to compete against other female atheletes.) There is no easy answer or we wouldn’t be having this discussion but if you can’t adress difficult questions, like those that I asked in my now removed comment, then you don’t have the answer either and labelling anyone who doesn’t absolutely agree with the pure thought of the echo bunker is as bad faith as you can get.
That’s a pedantic argument.
Dont try and speak logically about this
… its not the same at all. And no I won’t explain all the reasons why.
