Like the Palestine-Israel conflict which a lot has happened since it started, you can barely argue or talk about it if you are literally out of the loop without mistepping because its just a too complex situation for us westerners.
Just pay attention and whenever you see or hear something that Makes you say “wait what?” Go look it up and educate yourself.
You don’t necessarily need to participate in the conversation, observe it, gather opinions and cross reference with trusted sources.
Of course in person you can’t just whip out your phone and look stuff up, or shit I guess you can, but you can always say “I’m not informed enough to speak on this, can I get back to you?” and in my experience people will respect that, giving you a chance to go educate yourself on whatever the topic at hand was.
I educate myself.
Please don’t lump me in with yourself in your laziness and apathy. It’s complex, yes, but not “too complex”.
Well what if someone else wants to learn how to educate themselves, huh? This ain’t about you. Anyone can say some part of math is too complex but that’s mostly because of shit schools. It’s not always people’s own fault for not being, at current, “educated”.
If someone has managed to find themselves on Lemmy but pretend they don’t know about Wikipedia and YouTube, yes, they deserve to be treated as a troll. Notice OP’s new account and lack of response in the comments?
Ah, a pompous ass appears? Shiny.
It’s not going to be updated with daily events, but simple Wikipedia has background and fairly up to date info on major conflicts. Regular Wikipedia is more frequently updated, but simple will give you the basics without over complicating and is a quick read.
Wikipedia’s current events portal covers current events and conflicts with links to plenty of background info.
When you start a new job at a big company, you feel really incompetent and self-conscious because everybody else has been there so much longer, yet little old you know nothing about how any of it works or what’s going on.
But then you go walking around talking to people, and you realize nobody actually knows what the hell is going on, and they just pretend they do.
It’s kinda like that.
But sometimes you meet some really competent and knowledgeable people who seem to have a better grasp and perspective on things. It’s good to not just listen to these people, but to bounce questions off of them. They don’t judge, because they know.
Frankly, I would like to know the secret to the opposite. 🤢🥹
Join the NFL. I hear TBI is great for no longer remembering things
I get most of my news from Seth Meyers. I operate on the Robinhood men in tights theory of receiving bad news in a funny way so it’s easier to take.
Then, why do you watch Seth Myers?
If you want to stay sane; do not.
But also please do because we need people to be aware of how fucked shit is
State into the void until it states back
search for News articles, or posts online. maybe “aggegate sites are not the best” but its basically like wikipedia, piqued you curiostiy to search more sources. of course many “news” are often just propaganda articles, often times its opinionated, reads like a gossip, or have ragebaity title. sources like “Faux, cbs, ,etc” are mainstream and have right wing biases. more independant would be sources that arnt controlled by MSMs type syndication.
I don’t really see how it’s that complex. Israel is genociding the Palestinian people for their land because they feel entitled to it because of their religion.
Judaism isn’t the only religion involved.
I didn’t say there was.
I don’t think about it. I’m not rich enough to influence it.
I mean, sure, I feel sad about the middle east, but there’s also Ukraine, also human trafficking in Southeast Asia and around the world, human rights violation and cultural genocide in Xinjiang and Tibet, also dictators around the world, + every other problem in the world. The fuck can I do? I’m just some broke ass peasant with severe depression.
The moment I read more news is the moment I’d just breakdown in tears about the suffering around the world and wanna swallow a bottle of pills… so I can’t. I don’t even have the guts to watch Schrinder’s list, because the trailer is already too depressing for me.
Memes are enough, make fun of autocrats as stress-relief…
Never let Zionists gaslight you about this being a complex issue.
Chomsky’s UN speech on Palestine is a good starting point in my opinion.
Afterwards look up “Nakba” and read up on the Balfour Declaration and Theodor Herzl, the inventor of Zionism.Chomsky and Illan Pappé’s joint book On Palestine is a great read. My introduction on the conflict was Alan Dowty’s book Israel/Palestine which was very insightful to me. I read it around 2010(?) though so maybe there’s better more recent works.
Norman Finkelstein is great. Finally, BadEmpanada on YouTube
Forget all daily news. Read the deeper articles, only from high reputation sources.
This exactly. And with this conflict in particular, question everything you read and take every step you can to find the truth. If you hew strictly to what’s true, you’re never wrong, that’s the beauty of it.
Also, in this one, you gotta learn a good bit about local and regional history, and the religions as well. This is essentially a sectarian conflict framed as a fight over territory. And with the daily news, my god. I clicked on one link where the headline was “Scholars find evidence of genocide in Gaza”, and the substance of the article was actually about how the evidence in question was falling apart under the weight of independent review and single source reporting that came from Hamas. You really have to put the work in to get to the facts.
I think mistepping generally just gets you in trouble if you try to act like you know what you’re talking about or insist that a given position is correct. Just say you’re not the most informed and are looking to learn more or understand people’s perspectives rather than assert one thing or another.
Once upon a time, there was a man named Abraham, who beget two sons, who each beget two shitty peoples, who both claim some mystical sky daddy gave them the right of land ownership. And they’ve been fighting ever since, barring an occasional peace that always got broken. But now, one side is curb stomping the other hard, largely in part due to outside aid.
This is a pure anti colonial struggle and the Zionists are using religion as the justification for apartheid and genocide.
If the israelis were Hindu the Palestinians would still be fighting for their freedom.
That is extremely wrong. Not even the correct geolocation.
The region known as Palestine was part of the Ottoman empire for 400 years until being occupied by the British post WW1. As such drawing a straight line between Abraham and the current occupation/genocide is complete bullshit
In 1878 there were only 15K jews making up 3% of the population. By 1914 that number increased to 58,000 (15%) due to the Zionist movement which was bolstered by a British Mandate.
While the winners of WW2 divided their territorial spoils, they mandated the 2 state solution, triggering a civil war in 1947. During this civil war Israel, with western support, drove 85% of Palestinians into the Egypt and Jordan controlled Gaza Strip and West Bank.
It was during the 1967 “6 day war” that Israel occupied the West Bank and Gaza strip… again driving thousands out of their homes.
