yea that’s just playing on semantics. Of course machine learning will keep assisting many different workflows, thank you Tim.
Go ahead with your ML-assisted procedural animations, your ML-enhanced denoising, your ML-powered stochastic mesh pruning.What people don’t want is generated visuals/music that try and pass off as art. I’d love to summon debility to explain that the ruling class doesn’t get it, but they do -it’s a convenient way for them to save on human labor that is also… just too tempting to use for replacing art as well.
“it’s a convenient way for them to-” insert: exploit all culture, our past and present artists, writers, musicians, etc. . . The offense is utterly incomprehensible. Its like the billion dollar relativity thingy, where you just can’t get over the relative size of the comparison to $100,000. The amount of data stolen from past and current IP is too much for the layman to ever consider. It’s the heist of the epoch.
AI generated visuals and music are one thing, but one use of AI in that category is giving NPCs actually interesting things to say.
Currently, without AI, they have one or two lines about the weather, or the general state of affairs, but if you can pass an LLM the current state of the world and the player’s recent actions, then run the output through a tts model tuned to a distinct voice to, you’d be making the world feel way deeper than it is now with much more insightful interactions. You could maybe go even further and add infinite mini-quests in a similar manner, but it’s better to start off small.
AI doesn’t have to replace, and the best studios will use it to enhance and add to their art, the average ones will avoid it, and the worst ones will use it to replace art.
And who’s going to be powering that NPC’s LLM model? Unless all you want is a free hotlinked chatbot window disguised as a character? Because the publishers and developers sure as hell won’t power it on their end and if they do you’ll be paying out the ass for it. Otherwise that LLM for an NPC will have to run locally on your own hardware…in addition to the game itself.
So yeah, have fun with that.
And dialogue generation is ALL they can do btw. They can’t navigate a character around a 3d environment or even play against you in a grand strategy game. So, looking at RAM and GPU prices… yeah the novelty of LLM in games will run it’s course pretty quick.
It’d be a small model run locally, taking up maybe half a GB of VRAM
Bruh, that’s like 25-50% on an Nvidia card. Too much overhead! /s
In theory they could offer the ability in the settings to use the NPU if one is available.
Basically the same situation as it was with Raytracing.
Tim Fashy again demonstrates why Steam is as successful as it is without a monopoly.
Also, another reason to never, ever do anything to do with epic, proven by the Chief Enslavement Officer itself.
I’m glad that Tim Sweeny and its Epig Games Store is not the market leader.
lol I just found my 7 year old post on Reddit (when Reddit was cool) of a Epig Games logo creation: https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckepic/comments/bvw5ru/epig_games/
But pigs are cute :(
Why associate them with such a shit company?
Even if that did happen, it wouldn’t defeat the point of the disclosures at all. In fact, people will appreciate it all the more if a game is made without any AI involvement and it will become a selling point.
I think it would be helpful to know how AI is used.
At a very near point though, it’s likely going to be impossible to do it without AI involvement, or at the very least without proving you didn’t somehow.
AI is being baked into almost every dev and art tool. They aren’t just talking about using ChatGPT, if your game uses a single texture or model that ever got touched by a machine learning algorithm, you’re using AI.
As long as AI doesn’t take away our hands, it’ll always be perfectly possible to draw our own art, compose our own music and write our own code. And especially in the open-source space, there’s plenty of creative software not jumping on the AI bandwagon.
It’s becoming nearly impossible to write code in a corporate environment without AI. Everyone has AI auto complete at the minimum, and AI code generation is at a point where it’s at least even with an entry level dev.
I’m sure that’s the case at some companies, but where I work, I can freely choose which tools I use for coding and whether or not to use AI, despite one of my bosses being obsessed with it.
This is true. My company heavily pushes employees to use AI to write software
eew
Yeah, there’s a solid group of us that hates AI so much we’d do this.
I try to avoid it as best I can. When it comes to art, I won’t touch anything that’s AI.
It already is becoming a positive marketing point!
I only play organic games.
Indeed, I only play games generated by artificial brains grown in vats.
Plus, shouldn’t he want that information to be front and center anyway if he actually thinks it’s a good thing?
He, like the that Microsoft suit, has just enough awareness to realize how AI is being thought of by the general public, and knows it would affect his bottom line. Which is really all he cares about.
Information good. Hiding information bad. Nefarious intentions.
“Crypto/NFT disclosures make no sense, because all game will become “Play to Earn” and have NFT objects where you can transfer your Mario hat to COD 2028.”
I am being glib, Sweeney probably has a point, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t take a critical look at his intentions.
What are his intentions?
Using AI to maximize his profits without people criticizing him for it.
Wannabe American oligarch.
The things he allegedly argues against (Apple/Google app store restrictions) is what he would implement (word for word copy/paste arguments) if he was in their position.
Typical corrupt scum.
Unreal engine drive by AI with more AI for an AI powered AI peoples AI solution. AI the new AI buzz word thrown into everything to excite AI investors. AI AI with extra AI. Money please AI.
I mean he’s not wrong, it’s like saying we’re going to have a flag for whether the game uses stock/bought assets or like saying whether an animated movie uses cgi.
The real issue is that many are using AI poorly, but as developers become more familiar with the tools and work them more seamlessly into their workflow, it can be beneficial.
As a CEO you can decide whether to piss off on what your potential consumers demand and don’t. Obviously, there’s a reason why the EGS is in the shitty place it is and Steam isn’t. EGS focuses on developers and publishers even when it means pissing on consumers. Steam might have spearled modern DRM “subscription”-based marketplaces, but they’ve also continued to cater to consumer demands even when it opposed their interests and they could have chosen to ignore them anyway.
I’d argue that it was always in their interest to listen to their customers
Epic fail
This is why Epic is losing lol
Agreed.
What does it cost them to make a checkbox and show the value to the customer?If they fear it, they know that the knowledge will make me think twice on buying it.
Well that’s probably true
I think it’s a case of literal AI-generated assets vs AI assistants used in the process of work.
Except Steam doesn’t really enforce any rules around these disclosures. E.g arc raiders having AI voicelines, and their disclosure being something like “we use some AI during development”
I think I agree. At some point it won’t make any difference because it will just be another tool. We can have our knee jerk reactions for now, though. Especially for people like lemmy users.
I like AI, and see no issue with disclosing how it is applied. People who are pro-AI would like to further hone their craft, by understanding what workflows and issues are involved. Anti-AI folk can simply avoid what they dislike. Either way, it is win-win.
The main problem I have besides the ethics is that people keep trying to pass off substandard art as non-ai when it still just looks worse.
Sugars and additives are in nearly all foods, maybe we should stop asking manufacturers to disclose it on the ingredients list.
Waste of ink really
People are all gonna die, eventually. Might as well get it over with.
The funeral services community liked that.
Sweeney is not very smart, is he?
