Oh yeah, that place Joe Biden ran on closing (archived) and then promptly forgot about, cool cool cool
I’m definitely not voting for him now.
Good because if you did it would mean that you LoVe GeNoCiDe
Now we get both foreign and domestic genocide! Best of both worlds.
That’s what so many people tried to tell these dumbasses (that weren’t just plants), but nooooo, they wanted to lecture everyone on how pure and holy they were by not voting for anyone, because “genocide”.
Cool.
I’m so glad I remained morally pure!!
The place Obama said he would close and didn’t? That place!
Fuck both of those shitty plutocrat parties, all the time.
And by “forgot about,” you mean negotiated the release of 65% of the prisoners? He was literally on pace to clear the place out in his second term. But you knew that, I’m sure.
And only $13 million per year in 2019, https://archive.ph/oOiK4 , per inmate that’s $390,000,000,000 per year. Sounds like a great use of tax payer money.
Let’s be realistic here…orange Don doesn’t expect any of those people to still be alive after a year, what with all the accidents involving upper storey windows that could just happen at any time, or maybe someone could call for a code red.
My grandmother fought in the Dutch resistance, helped people who were Jewish escape, and was put in a camp. She died a few years ago. This is how that happened, too. And we’re all watching. Even with americas vaunted 2nd amendment, Russian-backed fascists just walked in and took over, and everyone is just watching them. No riots, no fighting back, just passive resistance.
I wish all of you the best of luck. I’m going to go hug my kids.
Don’t blame the Russian for what the US is doing. A country that spent years of committing war crimes and establishing laws that invade privacy, haunting down journalist and humanitarian, is destined to use that power to abuse their own people sooner or later regardless of foreign intervention.
Don’t blame the Russian for what the US is doing
Я сделаю все, что захочу, товарищ.
Russian-backed
USians try not to blame other countries for their own fascism challenge: impossible version
Fièrement pas tabarnak Américain, bien versé dans psyops Russes. Erreur facile à faire, vatnik.
Je ne sais pas pourquoi tu me parles en français. Me podrías hablar en español, oder auf Deutsch auch. I’m not a vatnik, fuck the capitalist modern Russian government, it’s actively oppressing people I hold very dear for being women or LGTBQ. I’m just fucking exhausted of Americans having to explain away fascism in their country in racist terms like “White Taliban” or “y’allqaida”.
I’m not a vatnik, fuck the capitalist modern Russian government
Then why the fuck are you arguing against the reality that Trump is a manchurian candidate for Russia?! That Russia is spreading psyops online to agitate people in Canada, the US, Europe, etc, to vote Conservative? I’m not ‘blaming’ Russia, it’s a fact that Russia is causing a lot of this to happen. No-where did I assuage the US of any guilt, I just pointed out that Russian-backed fascists: Trump, Elon, the entire Republican party, just took over. They are literally backed by Russia, this is not some conspiracy or hand-waving, it’s reality. I didn’t use any racists terms, I didn’t shift focus to the middle east, I merely said, how fascism is happening in the US and blaming them for watching it happen. You’re strawman-ing with the ‘white taliban’/etc comments, you know damn well I didn’t say that.
Stop fucking helping them by parroting them. I know there’s an exhaustion in you, I have it too, but this isn’t how we do what you want.
So now I have to deal with racism because Russia bad? Actually no, fuck that. Modern capitalist Russia is a consequence of the USA, it’s backwards my man. The USSR, upon dissolving, was auctioned to the most corrupt bidder in a fashion dictated by the MIT. The US CREATED the Russian oligarchy that now directs Putin’s actions, the fact that it went rogue is no different than with the “mujahedeen” turning into the Taliban.
Buying into this framework that everything is Russia’s fault is ahistorical bullshit. Who’s behind the invasion of Iraq? And behind the genocide in Gaza? Who’s behind the invasion and carpet bombing of Vietnam and Korea? Behind the rehabilitation of Nazis in Operation Paperclip? Who supported fascism in Spain? Fuck even the caricature rightist presidents like Bolsonaro, Boris Johnson or Milei are copies of fucking Trump. The US is simply the MOST EVIL empire on Earth, Russia is also evil but it happens to have less economic and diplomatic power for now so the consequences are less all-encompassing. FFS WHO ELECTED A SIEG-HEIL ENJOYER IN THE GOVERNMENT.
Framing everything in “Russia bad” narrative isn’t only racist, it literally shrugs away all the evils of the American empire and that’s simply not something I’m willing to do.
Your grandmother sounds like a fucking hero
She really was. The war changed her forever, though. On her death bed she disavowed her lifelong Roman Catholicism, saying “No God would allow what I have seen and lived.”
Before that she was an absolute badass and had many dalliances with a man of the clergy, causing his expulsion from the order.
It’s coming and Americans are refusing to see the oncoming headlights.
The way I understand it we have these places in the US call prisons and they are used to house criminals. I guess the only problem with that is in order to put people in them they have to be guilty of a crime.
Well, they also dont allow torture and murder.
Edit: Wait, yeah they do. Rape too.
Fucking hell. We were sooooooo close to finally releasing the poor souls caught up from 9/11 shit stuck here. I’m so fucking disgusted by the ruling class in this country.
Not disgusted enough to mobilize against them though.
That doesn’t appear to be the case
https://www.404media.co/declassified-cia-guide-to-sabotaging-fascism-is-suddenly-viral/
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Did you read the book? Lots of that is actively being done. Are you struggling to find reports of it? I can recommend some further resources if you need
Wow, I kinda suspected the camps would be in Texas not out there
Can’t be seen trying to lower emmisions by having shorter flights to their concentration camps, that is teetering dangerously on the edge of woke… probably, it’s hard to nail down where their version of woke is.
Yeah but at least last time, Germany got some rail improvements and highway funding out of the whole thing. Silver lining, I suppose.
We can’t even get that if they are getting flown off to gitmo.
They might be able to escape in Texas. Trump’s cronies know this.
On US soil people have the right to legally challenge their imprisonment.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/10/timeline-20-years-of-guantanamo-bay-prison
It was a national embarrassment when Bush opened the prison, it was a national embarrassment when successive presidents didn’t close it, and it’s a national travesty that Trump is going to use it to imprison 30,000 people that haven’t even been suspected of committing a crime.
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There are camps in Texas
Bloody sickening.
I knew the concentration camps were coming, but just after ten days? Holy shit
Honestly, I was expecting them in less time. Like 2-3 days in.
Rather unfortunately, the mass deportations was one of the most popular parts of Trump’s platform. Everybody knows mass deportation comes with concentration camps. It’s not that his voters are unaware of it, they actively love it!
The faster they move the more they can get done before their opponents can mobilise resistance.
I would say that so far, there appears to be much less public resistance to Republican policies than in previous years. The Democrats appear to be at sea. The left’s working class base is split. Public institutions are too busy protecting their turf, making gestures at cooperating with the new world order rather than trying to resist.
It feels like last time there was an assumption that
Trump and MAGA politicsa criminal dictator and fascist politics were a blip or aberration from the norm, now there’s an acceptance that they’re institutionalised.Trump and MAGA politics
Maybe the language we use to describe them is itself normalising and pacifying. Like calling a Nazi salute a “hand gesture.”
I would suggest “a criminal dictator and fascist politics” as a substitute in your sentence to provoke an acceptable, proportionate reaction.
He is not quite a dictator yet. Let’s call him an aspiring dictator, to make it clear that action can still prevent it from getting that bad.
I like it.
America’s first camp…in 83 years.
Thanks conservatives.
It won’t be the last
for those of you who live in the US: there must surely be Republican voters being appalled by this too, right? Right?
Some of the single-issue voters probably are, but not enough to actually vote against their single issue in the future.
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62% of the country supports deporting all illegals. Something that would be unbelievable a decade or two ago is now true for most Americans.
A strong majority of the country supports putting millions of people in camps and keeping them there for years. Of course GOP is more fervently against it- the same GOP that idolizes Reagan who gave blanket citizenship to millions of illegals.
100% of that 62% have no idea at all what is going to happen to many services they depend on. Doesn’t matter if it’s the price of food on the table going up because the farm workers disappeared or the person disappearing who has the necessary but unglamorous job of cleaning bedpans at the nursing home, they’re all very important jobs that people will miss immediately, and they can often be done by migrants or illegal workers.
Yes, for most of my life I thought we would never get rid of the illegals for precisely this reason. They are so integrated into our economy that eliminating them would cause a huge fallout. Almost 15 million people here. And they’re dramatically over-represented in specific industries.
So for example, you mentioned food. Agriculture, especially in the SW, runs on illegal labor. Construction all over the country runs on illegal labor. The people washing dishes at restaurants, the people cleaning up offices at night, the people working at landscaping companies, etc.
All of those industries are about to experience a severe supply shock of labor. This is going to mean increased prices for food, for landscaping, for construction, etc. Not only that, the services are going to be increasingly harder to staff. It’s really hard to find an American willing to relocate to rural areas to dig holes. It’s hard to find ones that are willing to pick fruit, etc.
Not to mention the effect that 15 million less consumers eating at local restaurants, buying products from Amazon, paying rent, will have.
And the worst part of it, the part that scares me, is that I’m certain Trump and his allies know this. They are entirely aware of the potential consequences of what they are doing. It does not take an economic savant to understand this and certainly Trump has some very smart advisors around him. So they are aware and they are doing it anyway.
What does that imply? That means they are willing to nuke our economy for this (throw in tariffs too while we’re at it). And when I say nuke I mean nuke- there’s no going back after this. We’re causing permanent long-term structural damage. Why would he be willing to do this?
I fear because there’s a lot worse on the horizon. Global war will overshadow the economic fallout from these decisions and will be pointed to as the cause of the near-future economic woes. Maybe I’m jumping to conclusions here, but this is not a good omen. It’s sort of like suicidal people giving away all their money before they off themselves. It’s a red flag.
I think we’re fucked with a capital F
Wouldn’t be surprised. Never waste a crisis. Nationalize things, martial law. Who knows what power grabs trump would make.
Something that would be unbelievable a decade or two ago
The GOP’s propaganda really did a number on easily manipulated Americans. Turns out, the internet was a really, really good tool to spread hatred.
Nah. If there’s a percentage of conservatives who have come to realize the mistake they’ve made, it’s vanishingly small.
We’re talking about a group of people uniformly ignorant and hateful. You have to be to support the conservative ideology. Those are prerequisites.
They’ll claim they disagree with it and they don’t like Trump (except for -insert all his policies-) and then vote for him for a third term when he makes that legal. They need to pretend not to salivate about oppressing brown people when they are in polite company but that’s about it.
Our people are horrible, vindictive morons.
And I don’t mean that from a place of emotional response to bad things, I am saying all of this dispassionately and analytically. The country has a large population of people who are objectively horrible, and vindication has become our primary focus for political action, and this is all because they’re generally morons.
I can’t even really exaggerate or overplay this. The average American’s intelligence is worse than abysmal. I used to lead a team of data-workers at a large company, we had nice, casual morning meetings and talked about the latest events for about a half hour before work. I ended up in the position of people bringing me news stories and headlines to “translate” for them. I had to explain what planets are, I had to explain how gravity works, I had to explain how democracy works, I had to explain history and math and facts and ratios and words like “industrious” or “ambivalent” every day, over and over. AND I’M NOT A SMART PERSON. I have always prided myself on being informed, but at some point I became the one-eyed king in the land of the blind and I hate it.
Everything here is going to get so, so much worse because I know how far down the barrel goes, and we haven’t even touched the bottom yet.
Yup.
Remove Donald Trump and Republicans from the equation and you still have a nation overflowing with unrealistically ignorant and hateful people.
That problem doesn’t go away with whoever’s in charge of our politics.
Our situation is 100% guaranteed to get much, much worse. And probably for the rest of our lives.
Yes.
Americans. You have a second amendment and a right to utilize that amendment against tyranny.
Exercise your right. In 4 years you won’t have a country that even remotely resembles what is supposed to be America and the land of the free.
Take down the nazis, destroy facism. Fight the power!
The 2nd amendment was intended to provide a way for citizens to defend themselves from the British, when the US had no standing army. To implement it in modern times when the police are militarised, and soldiers have drones…would be nothing less than suicidal.
Does anyone know how big is Guantanamo? It takes a lot of space to imprison 30,000 “worst of the worst” children and other people, along with guards and supplies to keep all of them alive.
Aside from the other glaring problems with this idea, is this even physically plausible?
Edit: I came across an article stating:
- the original detention center built by Clinton for terrorists, could hold 12,500, in poor conditions even for terrrorists
- 30,000 would be quite a bit larger than any Nazi concentration camps
Why are you assuming they need supplies to keep them alive? You’re forgetting that cruelty is the point for project 2025
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Doesn’t seem like misreporting. I found other sources reporting it too.
I sent a text to those I love in any capacity, even former coworkers who’ve probably deleted my number. Not a group text - one by one. I think it’d be prudent for all US readers to consider doing the same.
Knowing some of you are like me, in that you might not know how to word such a text to someone not expecting it from you, I offer you my copy/pasted text:
America has a concentration camp now. I won’t send you anything more…it’s kind of rude that I’m sending this one. https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/donald-trump-announces-plan-to-send-migrants-guantanamo-bay/
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What will it take, Americans? What will it take? What will it take.
To this day we still question how could the Germans watch Hitler and the Nazis come to power. Well we’re learning how, in real time.
“I’m still too comfortable, I need to pay my bills” should be the summoning chant for fascism.
I would add something like, “But this is important and the people need to know about it.” at the end. It highlights the gravity of the situation and subtly encourages recipients to do the same.
If these people are “the worst of the worst” then we already have infrastructure to deal with that. Gitmo is for extrajudicial punishment that should have been outlawed decades ago. “Thanks Obama”
Obama did not put anyone in gitmo
Obama had a campaign promise to close Gitmo and then didn’t. It was made difficult by Republicans, but it was still just sort of abandoned because it would have cost political capital and they didn’t want to have that fight.
He actually tried though. Don’t come for me on the details, I don’t remember
Congress.
But he did take it from a couple hundred prisoners down to about 50. Of those 50, something like 20 were cleared for release, and the remaining 30 were going to trial for various terrorism charges (helping plan 9/11, for example).
Thats about the end of what I remember though.
Yeah, but that’s not perfect, so its unacceptable and you’re liberal scum if you think otherwise.
I don’t know anything but isn’t Guantanamo Bay, like, kinda small?
Yes, it’s a camp where he plans to concentrate people.
Don’t worry, they’ll find a way to pack people in. Maybe some kind of high energy weight loss system like their role models used in the 1940s?
This is bad juju. The detention camps from the first cycle with this fascists was nothing on what we’re seeing ramping up here.
Don’t worry, they’ll find a way to pack people in. Maybe some kind of high energy weight loss system like their role models used in the 1940s?
I’m sure they are already working on the final solution.
Now I want someone to ask trump “what’s your final solution for these people?”
That’s only an issue if you assume they’ll be treated with any humanity
I think that’s a bonus for Trump. Also, Cuba should reject our lease on the land.
To the best of my knowledge, although the U.S. makes “lease payments” on the land the prison sits on, they do not have the authorization of the Cuban government, which in turn has not cashed those checks.
At it’s peak it held about 800 prisoners, kinda impossibly small for the numbers discussed here.
Edit-- Well, trump did say “Most people don’t even know that we have 30,000 beds in Guantanamo”, I guess file me with most people. Must be incredible how they scaled up while simultaneously closing camps and losing facilities to disrepair, apparently.
Doesn’t matter how many beds they have, Trump doesn’t want them making it past the showers.
But I’m sure there will be all sorts of bipartisan and humanitarian oversight. Right?
Right?
It’s not like you can just make a single “undocumented” person disappear. Let alone their whole nuclear family. What would the rest of their family say?
Probably “can I crash in your attic”.
This feels like “how many dead babies can you fit in a trash can?”
Depends on how good your blender is.
I must’ve missed that episode of “Will it Blend”.
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All the better for them to die faster of unliveable conditions, it seems
