I mean, do they even have a case against them? It’s not like they stole the information, or signed a contract with Apple.
Also, fuck Apple, and Google, and the rest of them. If they can’t keep a lid on their “secrets”, that’s on them.
I’m focusing on the lawsuit part, because IDGAF about new phones.
I’m prone to believing that a lot of those things presented as “leaks” are actually the company in question doing it by themselves behind the curtains - because let’s face it - people want sensationalism and they won’t shut up about something like that.
Someone forgot an unreleased phone at a bar? I call bullshit.
Assuming he’s right (and boy, being sued by apple is a huge boost to his credibility), they’re keeping the stupid camera bump thing from the air???
how do you propose removing it?
there are two options, 1) using a smaller,shittier camera, or 2) making an extremely thick phone. neither option is very “apple”, especially for a flagship model.
considering the vast majority of people use phone cases and will never notice the bump anyway, i think this whole thing is blown way out of proportion.
No thicker than very popular and successful phones from just 5 years ago. They can use the extra space for a larger battery, so they dont have to nerf performance to maintain stability in older phones. They can also use the space to restore repairability.
But probably not for a folding phone, since making both sides that thick will probably be too much.
Phones 5 years ago have lightyears worse cameras than phones today.
But their thickness can accomidate todays cameras.
…no they can’t. Do you realize just how thick modern camera bumps are? Even not including the bump phones nowadays are thicker than phones 5 years ago.
The iPhone X was 7.7mm thick. The iPhone 17 pro excluding the bump is 8.7.
Damn, I keep forgetting that the iphone X was already 5 years ago. 10 years ago then. There has been so little improvements in phones in the ladt 5 years, it all just blurs together.
I think the point is, we used to have phones that were 9mm+ thick. Iphone 4s and iphone 5c from Apple and Samsung Galaxy S3 and motorola G phones were all that thickness. They even had replacable batteries and expandable storage. Some of those were even waterproof despite all of that.
I think the main driver of impractical thinness has been marketing, planned obselecence and cost savings.
The marketing about it being an incredibly thin phone was a misstep - it just looked absurd to have such a chunky lump stuck onto it, and it felt very much like they were attempting a have cake / eat cake situation by claiming it had incredible camera stats (which werent very good) to justify the bump on an otherwise amazingly thin phone, and then that giant electronics bump had an external lens on it too.
Had it just been an ugly phone, I doubt it would have mer with anywhere near the dame criticism, but all the adcopy about how thin it was overtop of photos where you could see it had a giant lump on it felt really dishonest, and if this article is accurate it may count among the biggest apple flops ever.
(The thickness may just need to be accepted at this point. The S25 Ultra is 8.2mm, which is thinner than the Air if you include the bump. It seems like the camera wasnt the issue then, but that they hamstrung their design team with their drive for a thin phone)
What elegance might even an extra millimeter of chassis space produced?
People really don’t seem to understand that in the electronics world, one single millimeter can make worlds of difference.
You absolutely can cram so much more stuff in “dumber” electronics, but phones are even more constricted in design, because they need to send and receive signals of different types, so feedback and signal noise are concerns.
Adding in even slightly more space allows for much better design, because you have more tolerances to reduce signal noise. It allows dozens of wires for camera sensors to route better. A 20% longer battery life. Heck, just being slightly more ergonomic and less droppable is a bonus to slightly thicker phones.
I didn’t even consider signal noise until I got into fpv drones and rc stuff, it can mame a ton of difference if you have a single wire 2mm out of place. (and crash your drone because the motor interfered with your antenna)
Thiner≠better.
Wildly appropriate username here. Also, 100% correct.
Lol “extremely thick phone”. Get that apple boot, you got it to your gills this time. Only when it’s razor thin and cuts the hands of the unworthy will then your lust be satisfied.
making an extremely thick phone
lol how is 11mm extremely thick
how is it not?
You said so yourself.
If phone cases make the bump (and perceived problem) disappear, everyone must be using extremely thick phones already.
You can’t have both, not that I agree with 11mm being extremely thick anyway, case or not.
I mean, being stupid thin is something that a foldable phone has to be, so that it ends up being normal-ish thickness when folded. So it tracks that they’d design it like their ultra-thin phone.
But it’s not stupid thin, it’s got a giant lump on it?
Thinness should be defined by it’s thickest point.
No no is clearly the thinnest iPhone ever, just look at it, can’t see anything wrong calling it that. So thin. Amazing, how can apple do such a marvel of engineering.
I know better cameras demand more space, but you cant claim your phone is thin with them. Not that I think thin phones are useful, pointless gimmick.
5.6 - 9 - 5.6
hip - waist - bustIf it’s good enough for girls it’s good enough for phones
I’ve never heard a girl use those measurements.
Women, however, use them frequently enough.
Sorry for being pedantic but it rubs me the wrong way when people refer to women as “girls”
How do you feel about cunts?
Bruh if that guys post bothered you that much you need to do some grass maxing
While noble, that was a tongue in cheek diminutive and I was including myself in that category.
It does not surprise me that the Air is literally the folding phone without the second screen.
It slightly does me, given that the Air was (apparently) a huge commercial flop. You’d think they’d revisit the soundly mocked design instead of recycling it, or at least change it? The renders may very well be overstating it, of course, but still it’s an odd feature to carry over.
It was a flop because no one really wants thinner phones, they are harder to use. The iPhone Air was also extremely overpriced and missing basic features a phone a quarter of the price has.
Yes, those are all great points that make up a good portion of why they should probably revisit the design.
Or maybe stop trying to make expensive electronics as thin as possible.
Thin is fine. But you should use that newly free space for a bigger battery. It fits better in people’s hands that way too.
The stupid camera bump thing they totally didn’t steal from Google
This folding iPhone also looks like the Pixel Fold
Man anyone else remember the Nexus 6P?
are we really going to start counting who stole what in all smartphone design.
Idk, explaining how the crap iPhone is 99 % IP theft doesn’t really lead anywhere.
I sort of assumed that these days design patents are mostly ignored by smartphone companies.
After a while it just makes sense to drop the legal stuff and stop wasting money on constant lawsuits.
“These assholes included an antenna and SIM slot again!?! HTC did that last season. So unoriginal.”
I wish they still included a SIM card slot.
100% of the phones I purchase include the SIM slot. No joke.
I want even aware iPhone users lost this ability with the iPhone 14 and beyond, until your remark. I’m so sorry. :(
It’s not just iPhone anymore. Pixel 10 removed the SIM card as well.
Wait, how the fuck do you have a GSM phone with no Sim card slot?
The camera bump sure isn’t going away for a folding phone. cameras have fundamental volume requirements to maintain quality, if they don’t think they can justify making the normal iPhone thick enough to enclose the camera then there’s no way in hell they’ll think the folding phones doubled width can include it, if anything you’d expect it to be more prominent on a folding model
Remove the outside screen and all cameras and I’d be slightly more interested.
remove all the screens and the charging port and I’m sold.
Remove the whole phone and I’m touching grass
More of a fidget toy at that point. I’m in. I’d go as high as $8.
I really don’t want Apple to enter this market because then all the current OEMs will just be even more incentivized not to make generational advancements, and to just copy Apple’s Chinese grade quality to sell more slop because idiots will buy.
Google already threw a grenade with their subpar pixel fold and then Samsung magically swapped off snapdragon for their zflip. If Apple joins, next they’ll start using plastic for the shell and still charge $999.
People who think this won’t be a competitive product can just look to the past 20 years of Apple successfully selling stupid shit for exorbitant prices. I would even bet money it comes with an even deeper crease than current gen foldables against the “new hinge tech” hype this guy is claiming.
Breakthrough technology, never seen before in the mobile market. Apple, like always, surprises the word with the latest never seen before tech that will become mainstream in the near future, thanks to apple and its affordable pricing for everyday customers.
Now just slap that 2,5-3k RRP on the device and let it sell out in.
Apple is what we call “Sondermüll”.
Apple’s entire history as an org has been as a fast follower, not a first mover.
The Apple Newton is a fast example of why they avoid being a first mover.
They’ve also become really, really good at outsourcing R&D to other companies. This lets them outsource the expense of trial and error, and swoop down with a mature product once everyone else has paid for it.
15 years ago they famously patented, and then leaked that they were working on a fingerprint reader authentication method, and then they watched the Android manufacturers bend over backwards to implement it so they could say they did it “first.” In those early days of smartphones, being first to implement something and then claiming Apple copied it was a big deal for people who wanted to be first movers (today they are called “techbros”). Motorola Mobility ate the cost of R&D, was never able to recoup the costs, and ended up being sold to Google for their patent portfolio. By the time Apple released Touch ID two and a half years later, Motorola Mobility was a shell of itself, and ended up being sold a second time to Lenovo.
Foldable phones have been a thing for a while, and Apple just sat back and took notes on what everyone else was doing. Surface Duo killed Microsoft’s last attempt at a mobile device. Now it’s a relatively mature market (we have tri-fold phones for two years now and tablets that fold into a laptop with a bluetooth keyboard) and now Apple will swoop in and bring the rest of the market.
The money isn’t in being a first mover; it’s in making a reliable product that everyone can use. It shouldn’t be lost on anyone that Apple made a trillion dollars while OpenBSD (upstream for a lot of Apple’s ecosystem) struggled to pay its light bills.
Generally true - but multitouch was a real innovation. I’m not familiar with other manufacturers perfecting touch interfaces AND design paradigms optimized for it.
There were decades of development of touch screen devices with UI paradigms designed explicitly for touch. Notwithstanding all of the Palm and Symbian and Windows CE devices, I feel like I shouldn’t have to point out that the Nintendo DS came out in 2004, three years before the iPhone.
It’s just that these were resistive screens and stylus based…
Except for the LG Prada.
They will “swoop in” like they did with the vr headset, that was dead on arrival.
That headset is certainly my a strange device. It definetly has that Apple magic to it. Incredibly impressive to actually use. But at that price it needs to solve a problem. It needs to justify itself.
A MacBook is a laptop. It does laptop things. An iPhone is a smartphone. It does smartphone things. An Apple Watch…well, I use mine for quick notifications, smarthome interactions and mobile payments but most people buy it as a fashion accessory. It’s amazing this product line survived to maturity. Then we get to the Vision Pro which does….what? It doesn’t solve a problem. It’s the most amazing thing to serve no purpose. Apple was figuring they would throw this device out there and someone else would figure out what to do with it. Obviously that didn’t happen.
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The UI lead just left the company within the last couple of months. Reports are the staff is overjoyed at that news. A lot of turnover in their leadership this past year, actually. Feels like this may be a new chapter coming up for the company. Rumor is Tim Apple may retire next year.
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Apple usually prefers to do it right rather than do it first.
You’re holding it wrong
We’re slowing down your phone on purpose… for your own good
We have to use a proprietary cable to protect our users from their own stupidity
I suggest checking out the recent episode of version history by the verge about the iPhone 4. Antennagate was extraordinarily overblown and didn’t result in dropped calls, it was almost an entirely UI based issue with the bar calculation algorithm. Jobs also never said you’re holding it wrong that is missattributed quote.
As for the slowing of phones it was necessary to preserve battery life and health though they should have told people about it. Very few people would take the trade off of significantly degraded battery life for a slightly higher clock speed.
As for the proprietary connection, when lightning was introduced it was miles ahead of the usb consortium in terms of speeds and features. If they hadn’t held on to it for so long I think people would be more fond toward it. But it was certainly better than micro b.
You’re not going to be able to break through a lot of peeps Apple hate on Lemmy, it’s almost as strong as the Microsoft hate.
I said usually. And all of those complaints were overblown or taken way out of context. Like the cable thing? A cheap-ass charging cable from China catches an iPhone on fire, the headlines would read “iPhone catches on fire.” Any hardware manufacturer would be wise to block unlicensed chargers like that. But consider their hardware releases…
Smartphones prior to the iPhone sucked.
MP3 players prior to the iPod sucked.
Tablets prior to the iPad sucked.
Smart watches prior to the Apple Watch sucked.
The issue with the second one was their failure to notify users about the throttling. It is a decent solution for an end of life battery to throttle the device to prevent crashes.
Yeah I have zero qualms with my phone running slower if it means it doesn’t randomly reboot. That was the whole reason why Apple implemented it in the first place.
As with all hyped leaks- I’ll believe it when I see it.
People who own Apple devices are instantly lower on my respectometer.
People who judge other people based on nothing other than what technology brand they use instantly are instantly lower on my respectometer.
Fuck off with that shit.
I used Symbian for years, then I used android tablets as a complement to the Symbian phones for years, then I got an iPhone for work, and when my last Symbian device died I got an iPhone as I knew the OS from my work phone. A few years later I tried an Android phone for a few months, but when the display got totaled in a drop, and I had to send the phone away, I just got back to my iPhone as it was easier to fix on the spot in local repair shops.
I am an IT guy, I don’t care about blue or green bubbles, if you are on Android, that is fine, that probably works better for you, for me iOS has so far served me well.
Stop judging others for their preference of tech brands. Apple and Google are both evil.
It’s not just about the bubbles - it’s about having congruent feature sets. When the Android phone joins the group message, the experience is notably different.
The other thing that drove me to iPhone over Android is that the experience is largely consistent. You can tell people what to do from a far based on OS version and phone model because there are so few models. It’s really hard to ask your elderly parent which phone and is this or that feature available remotely. You never know which manufacturer removed what feature
In iOS? Go here. Do this. Do that. Done
Things are a lot better now that the EU forced apple’s hand in implementing RCS, at least.
I haven’t forgotten the fact that at the apple event announcing iMessage they claimed it would come to other platforms at a later date. That was before they realized what a strong moat it was. For how much they claim to put the user first, they really only do so when it benefits their bottom line or they’re forced to by regulators. Fingers crossed third party app stores come to more places than just the EU and Japan.
EU forced apple’s hand in implementing RCS
This isn’t even a little bit true.
If you need to claim this was external pressure, China was an actual driver of this but did not force this either.
The main reason is to get away from legacy sms/mms systems. Sending and receiving on the iPhone side is messy as a poor user experience for Apple’s users.
One small example is how SMS gets split at 160 and would often come out of order because of the limitations of sms.
The cell networks are moving to a pure data layer model. Sms don’t send over data, RCS does. Same reason everything it volte now.
Things currently fall back to sms, but expect it to be dead within a decade as future hardware cycles through (on the carrier side) and support is dropped in favor of streamlined protocols.
FTFY: People who own Apple devices and believe they are superior are morons.
I judge people on way more. E.g. on verbose comments on inconsequential asocial media posts ;)
Lucky for you, I don’t judge people for replying to the wrong comment.
See, it’s inconsequential.
Two iPhone Airs sticked together for the price of two and a half. Great job 👏
Be phone engineer
Finally manufacture one-atom thick phone
The screen is nearly entirely invisible due to its thinness
You can’t tap it anywhere or it immediately breaks into a million crumbs like filo dough
The components had to be spread over a 200 square meter sheet to fit all their atoms side by side
Present product to the board, instantly promoted to CEO
Product releases
Everyone buys the waferphone
“It’s so thin” say consumers
“Unparalleled convenience and an incredible feat of engineering” say reviewers
Third parties begin selling titanium insulation sheetcases to protect your waferphone
Too big and heavy to take outside, everyone stores their waferphones underground at waferlockers
All phones are now completely inaccessible remotely or physically
Technological nirvana attained at last
We think you’re gonna love it.
I was actually looking at foldable phones a few weeks back, seems like 2 screens isn’t enough to make a difference, but 3 screens are. It’s either I get that or a foldable 1 screen phone (like a flip phone).
On another note, after Tim apple bribed Trump with a gold ball I’ve decided to no longer buy apple products again. And it’s kind of a big deal because I’ve had iPhones since 2008.
So if wasn’t their overpriced cult bullshit that turned you off Apple. Well at least you drew the line at their endorsement of a felonious authoritarian pedo. Minimum possible bar cleared.
Buy secondhand, especially if you still want iphones. Money goes to lower class (something like Facebook marketplace has no tax), no money to “less bad” competing companies, and you’ll get a much cheaper product which still has the “appleness” you want.
It makes huge difference. I’m on Fold since Fold 4 and would never go back to a slab phone mostly because I just read books or text web/social media. The square display is perfect for this as you get proper 80-120 character lines with large font and enough space for media etc.
I’m not disagreeing with you but whose phone do you plan on buying next? Pichai + Brin also bribed trump (they were at the inauguration alongside Tim Apple and others)
That gold trophy though really rubbed me the wrong way. And Ihate apple for that. And yes I know they all donated for ballroom paid for inauguration. They’re all shit but Apple is the shitiest IMO.
Only issue is gapps there are lots of phones not made by Americans.
I don’t know yet. I’ll get a new phone when this one dies. The point is that I used to buy iPhones as default, and that is no longer the case. I wonder how many customers they lost like me - theoretically I could have been a life long customer.
don’t forget to not buy new. buy a used device whenever possible, unless you specifically want to support a particular company
Was going to say this. Second hand phones don’t give money to corporations (except via usage, of course).
It’s either I get that or a foldable 1 screen phone (like a flip phone).
From the times when things were actually convenient to use. Buttons shouldn’t get random presses while the thing is in your pocket. Screens should be protected from scratches and dirt while in your pocket. It’s more compact when folded while in your pocket, while thicker, but an apple fits in my pocket, so thickness is not a problem.
Remind me what happened? Ah, yes, Steve Jobs went out on a stage and confused the hell out of millions of hamsters, telling them he’s brought them their Star Trek communicator. Well, that’s not what he said, but that’s what they heard and what he meant.
I’ve gotten used to making sure my hands are not sweaty when using a phone, and that it’s practically not usable when it’s cold and your fingers are not very precise, like when walking or when in a crowded place, and that you should be careful with that pocket to not occasionally unlock the thing and repost something personal into apartment building common WhatsApp chat, things like that.
But sometimes I recall that with a Motorola flip phone I could do everything with no loss of ability or speed in all these situations.
Not even talking about battery life.
On another note, after Tim apple bribed Trump with a gold ball I’ve decided to no longer buy apple products again.
Oh, that’s when.
iPhones are too locked down for the hardware they have. I’m writing this on an iPhone 15 …
The foldable I like the most I’ve seen are the Motorola razrs. That’s vertical. The best fat foldables are going to be Android because of all the video game emulators for Android
I don’t understand the last sentence. All the video game emulators for Android compared to what OS? Because at this point, RetroArch emulates pretty much everything, and is available for Android and iOS. Running anything that needs hardware caching on iOS needs sideloading of course.
So what is it that makes the Android foldable experience better for emulators than, say, an iPad?
Ewwwww
A 5.5” screen is way too small to be worth it. If this costs more than an a iPad + iPhone Pro, this thing is gonna flop more than the Vision Pro did.
Tbh, I think that Apple makes stuff like the Vision Pro not to make money but to appear as if they have some kind of technological leadership.
They can claim that they have the best headset on the market. No need to actually sell any units.
(And of course other manufacturers could make just as nice headsets for that price point, but most other manufacturers actually need to sell units and thus they build them with realistic hardware.)
It too late for this product to succeed. If it isn’t absolutely perfect, it won’t matter that it’s great. It took so long to get here the public has unrealistic expectations now.
Meanwhile, the techbros and pretty much poisoned consumer electronics and everyone is looking for a way to jump ship.
I think we are going to see Linux phones get sales like the iPhone air did this year, which weren’t great for Apple but mean something very different for competition.
Whose making this phone. Nothing coming out seems decent yet. The best one has cut down specs from its none Linux version.
Well I’m pretty sure Android is a Linux offshoot iirc? Fair phone comes to mind but I’m not sure if it’s linux based
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