I thought you said your friend used applications not benchmarks. You know something like x265 encoding, AI video upscaling, mining XMR (CPU based crypto) or complex single-thread dependent strategy games; I say this as someone involved in computers for hobbies and leisure, not in a professional manner.
No offence, but what you are saying does not sound convincing in the least.
A high level X Elite GB6 ST/MT score is around 2,800 ST and 14,300 MT.
I high level 5950X GB6 ST/MT score is around 2,400 ST and 14,300 MT.
And this is a short GB benchmark (i.e. not sustained for hours on end).
You’re saying if I give you a complex (lots of water, storms, seas) 2+ hour BD source to encode into x265, your friend’s X Elite laptops won’t start to throttle in ~5 min and it will complete it in the same time as your 5950X? You’ll have to provide proof.
But he’s been using it for a while now and says everything works just fine. Replacing a big box workstation with a thin and light notebook and have it perform better is pretty wild.
Some specifics would be interesting. What applications were being used on the big box workstation?
But I do have a result screenshotted of 27.9 in Speedometer 3.0
Not aware of Speedometer 3.0, this does seem like a very solid result, but what does it show? Do you have any context on it? This is the first time I’ve encountered this particular benchmarks, would be interesting to hear about what it means.
It’s a work machine, he uses it for work. He runs a custom simulation package from work, I can’t name the app without doxxing my friend. It scales well with CPU and memory and uses an optimal number of threads for the amount of cores (and even works well with stuff like multiple CPUs or different cores having access to different cache). For running most stuff at least 32GB of memory is required and for the stuff he does 64GB of memory is an absolute must. Simulations take between 20 mins and 8 hours depending on what he wants from it. The simulation tool does not use the GPU at all, so that’s a non-factor. The tool is x86 based, with an Arm version coming soon™, so there might even be performance improvements in the future. The simulations run faster in all scenarios as compared to his old workstation, even the long ones. Cooling is not an issue on this particular machine and due to the many core load boosting isn’t done anyways.
We ran Speedometer because many laptop reviews include that one and it’s very quick and easy to run. Specifically the 3.0 version because we had a source open with Apple M benchmarks that included that one. The result was somewhere around Apple M2, maybe a bit faster than an M2 but def slower than an M3.
You can try it yourself and read about it here: https://browserbench.org/Speedometer3.0/
It benchmarks regular use in web-apps, as a lot of apps these days are web-apps. So it gives an impression of every-day tasks in websites and web-apps.
I think the results you mention back up what I said? It regularly outperformed my 5950X desktop machine in benchmarks or was at least on par in other cases. My desktop is a big case with water-cooling and when benching the fans do make a bit of noise. That little notebook outperformed it and the fan was barely noticeable.
Like I said, I was sceptical, but that thing impressed me a lot. You can draw your own conclusions, that doesn’t really matter to me. If you think Arm laptops suck by definition, that’s fine, you do you. But don’t say you can’t use it for heavy applications, because at least for some cases that’s just not true. I think the GPU (especially the driver) is a weak point for these system, so anything that leans on them probably should use a systems with a separate GPU and not the builtin one. But this is also true for Intel and AMD, so not really any difference there.
You misunderstand, I don’t have any allegiance to Intel/AMD or ARM or Apple.
I am interested in factual reality though. This is not about Qualcomm versus AMD or whatever. It’s common sense. If you have a use case (e.g. x265 encode or god forbid an AV1 encode) that takes many hours, you laptop is going to suffer due to cooling issue. This is even true for an ARM laptop versus an ARM desktop.
I think the results you mention back up what I said?
So you’re saying that throttling after 5 min is not an issue with MT (or even ST) workloads?
I would be happy to be proven wrong (I am not kidding), but I would need solid proof from a 3rd party.
No offence, but random claims online is not how it works.
Mind you, I am not saying you or your friend are lying. There are likely other factors at play.
I thought you said your friend used applications not benchmarks. You know something like x265 encoding, AI video upscaling, mining XMR (CPU based crypto) or complex single-thread dependent strategy games; I say this as someone involved in computers for hobbies and leisure, not in a professional manner.
No offence, but what you are saying does not sound convincing in the least.
A high level X Elite GB6 ST/MT score is around 2,800 ST and 14,300 MT.
I high level 5950X GB6 ST/MT score is around 2,400 ST and 14,300 MT.
And this is a short GB benchmark (i.e. not sustained for hours on end).
You’re saying if I give you a complex (lots of water, storms, seas) 2+ hour BD source to encode into x265, your friend’s X Elite laptops won’t start to throttle in ~5 min and it will complete it in the same time as your 5950X? You’ll have to provide proof.
Some specifics would be interesting. What applications were being used on the big box workstation?
Not aware of Speedometer 3.0, this does seem like a very solid result, but what does it show? Do you have any context on it? This is the first time I’ve encountered this particular benchmarks, would be interesting to hear about what it means.
It’s a work machine, he uses it for work. He runs a custom simulation package from work, I can’t name the app without doxxing my friend. It scales well with CPU and memory and uses an optimal number of threads for the amount of cores (and even works well with stuff like multiple CPUs or different cores having access to different cache). For running most stuff at least 32GB of memory is required and for the stuff he does 64GB of memory is an absolute must. Simulations take between 20 mins and 8 hours depending on what he wants from it. The simulation tool does not use the GPU at all, so that’s a non-factor. The tool is x86 based, with an Arm version coming soon™, so there might even be performance improvements in the future. The simulations run faster in all scenarios as compared to his old workstation, even the long ones. Cooling is not an issue on this particular machine and due to the many core load boosting isn’t done anyways.
We ran Speedometer because many laptop reviews include that one and it’s very quick and easy to run. Specifically the 3.0 version because we had a source open with Apple M benchmarks that included that one. The result was somewhere around Apple M2, maybe a bit faster than an M2 but def slower than an M3.
You can try it yourself and read about it here: https://browserbench.org/Speedometer3.0/ It benchmarks regular use in web-apps, as a lot of apps these days are web-apps. So it gives an impression of every-day tasks in websites and web-apps.
I think the results you mention back up what I said? It regularly outperformed my 5950X desktop machine in benchmarks or was at least on par in other cases. My desktop is a big case with water-cooling and when benching the fans do make a bit of noise. That little notebook outperformed it and the fan was barely noticeable.
Like I said, I was sceptical, but that thing impressed me a lot. You can draw your own conclusions, that doesn’t really matter to me. If you think Arm laptops suck by definition, that’s fine, you do you. But don’t say you can’t use it for heavy applications, because at least for some cases that’s just not true. I think the GPU (especially the driver) is a weak point for these system, so anything that leans on them probably should use a systems with a separate GPU and not the builtin one. But this is also true for Intel and AMD, so not really any difference there.
You misunderstand, I don’t have any allegiance to Intel/AMD or ARM or Apple.
I am interested in factual reality though. This is not about Qualcomm versus AMD or whatever. It’s common sense. If you have a use case (e.g. x265 encode or god forbid an AV1 encode) that takes many hours, you laptop is going to suffer due to cooling issue. This is even true for an ARM laptop versus an ARM desktop.
So you’re saying that throttling after 5 min is not an issue with MT (or even ST) workloads?
I would be happy to be proven wrong (I am not kidding), but I would need solid proof from a 3rd party.
No offence, but random claims online is not how it works.
Mind you, I am not saying you or your friend are lying. There are likely other factors at play.