That’s some grade A fine vintage gourmet cringe.
It’s quite bombastic. I just wanted a place that wasn’t run by a corporation.
I skimmed it the first time and didn’t notice how bad it was. I don’t like using the word cringe but this is quite the composition, lmao
What a hero
Having them pointed towards lemmy.ml is a little concerning.
Who cares, just get them onboarded and we can deal with orientation later
Because they’ll onboard see the Tankie bullshit and go “oh it’s just Voat 2.0 :/” and leave before ever making it to orientation
I think you’re overestimating the repulsion/ attraction of the tankies. Besides, there’s more to .ml than a love of authoritarian socialism (i assume)
Not really. I mean they do discuss other topics but the ideology flows through everything there.
Besides, there’s more to .ml than a love of authoritarian
Not really, back in the day yea, but over the past year as other comm’s have grown on other instances their influence has been waning and all that’s left is the Tankie ideology
Programming.dev has taken over for FOSS and programming topics in general, other instances are taking over memes, and I’m even seeing more and more non-.ml privacy subs rise
If you look at MAUs, even the .ml memes comm (once THE most popular comm) doesn’t crack the top 10 anymore. Not a single .ml comm does
More than a little concerning, it’s happened plenty of times before. People see that BS on the Tankie Triad and then leave thinking Lemmy is just a bunch of tankies
Sometimes they try another non-Tankie instance and realize that we’re not all like that, but I’m sure a majority never return always thinking that all of Lemmy is “that Tankie hangout” or worse, a Voat 2.0
Whatever, infighting gets us nowhere , down with the big bad
Capitalism destroyed our government, captured our constitution, and is literally ending the world (for humans, don’t worry it’ll be fine in a few million years and it’ll be like we never existed, thank goodness for that).
I find comedy in people likely here due to the greed rot of Spez wanting to go public and now fondling billionaire balls still, here on Lemmy like digital refugees in the wake of capitalism breaking promises to and destroying a community to increase private profit, going “ewww commies and socialists.”
Credit where it’s due, the capitalist’s Orwell game is God tier.
No, we are going “ewww tankies”
I mean they are annoying
.ml would be worse than Reddit if they had the same number of users.
To be fair, it was apparently posted in r/anarchocommunism, so I’d just chalk it up to knowing your audience. At least it was just .ml, and not grad or hexbear!
I’d say that’s even more tone-deaf then. Anarchists hate tankies.
Seriously. People need to understand they can shop around for an instance that fits them better.
We should do a bunch of them with varying non-Tankie instances
Like programming.dev or lemmy.blahaj.zone
Or maybe even better, have a small table at the bottom with their focuses
Yeah. join-lemmy.org unfortunately isn’t great because it often points to random semi dead instances.
Something like,
The instance you join doesn’t matter much — because you can access all content no matter what instance you are on — but it can be nice to be on an instance that shares you interests and values, because you will have to conform to the rules of that instance. Think of it like your clan — it’s like your email being yourname@yourworkplace — you can still email everyone else and see their emails, but it signals something about you, and it has different rules.
Here are a couple options:
General Purpose:
- discuss.online (hosted US)
- lemm.ee
- lemmy.cafe
- sh.itjust.works (hosted Canada)
Interests:
- mander.xyz (Science)
- programming.dev (Programming)
- infosec.pub (Cybersecurity)
- lemmynsfw.com (Porn)
Diversity:
- lemmy.blahaj.zone (LGBTQ+)
Regions/Langauges:
- jlai.lu (French)
- feddit.org (German)
- lemmy.ca (Canada)
- aussie.zone (Australia)
Ideology:
- lemmy.dbzer0.com (Anarchism and Piracy)
- slrpnk.net (Environmentalist Leftists)
- lemmy.ml (Authoritarian Leftists)
Please copypaste my comment and add instances / improve it
Whatever happened to Beehaw? Did they defederate so much to the point that they’re not really relevant to other instances? I feel like they had an application process and were just generally walled off.
They also have stopped updating lemmy so they are running on really old software — which makes them incompatible with most apps!
I like the idea, but people have said several times that choosing an instance is a barrier for them.
I usually go with
"Lemmy has 42k monthly active users
- https://discuss.online/ if you want a server located in the USA (content is still accessible from any server, the most difference latency)
- https://sopuli.xyz/ if you want a server located in the EU
- https://vger.app/ if you want an app
Feel free if you have any questions"
I mean, why not go totally targeted? If there are people here who still have reddit accounts then tailor the graphic for the sub you post in. If its an lgbtqia+ sub, suggest Blahaj, if its a tech sub suggest programming.dev, if its a piracy or data hoarder sub db0 etc etc.
Oh indeed, but usually it’s on /r/RedditAlternatives so I have no idea what the person I’m talking to is like
Also that way my message can work for lurkers too
Yeah I think I elaborated too much. Let’s just keep recommending small instances — because the current centralisation on world sucks.
I’ve been thinking of switching instances.
But I think part of the problem is the domain names on so many instances are so odd. Lemmy.world is very clean and easy to tell someone verbally, as opposed to say sopudi.xvz or dbzer0 or blahaj.zone.
I suppose “discuss.online” isn’t such a bad name. And “midwest.social” but people who are not in the Midwest might not feel like they identify with that geographically.
Didn’t even mention mine. For a brand new user, they don’t know what the fuck is going on there.
lemmy.cafe, lemmy.zip, lemmy.one
Lemmy.world is also the most reliable and the smoothest experience.
I strongly have the opposite opinion. Let people start on Lemmy.World and once they have experience (like you), they can move to where they want.
They’re an actual non-profit org out of the Netherlands with professional hosting.
Federation is a feature like divorce is a feature. It’s extremely important that it exists and is accessible. Not everybody needs to do it. Other servers are a fine option if you know what you’re doing and are willing to deal with more issues OR if there’s a compelling reason (such as the various regional servers).
When federation between lemm.ee and lemmy.world is behind by an hour or two, where do you think users will have a better experience? When 90% of their content is now a couple hours older, that’s a worse experience.
And spreading people out doesn’t really fix anything. It just puts more stress on federation technology. If you spread out all the users, Federation becomes a much harder to manage many to many relationship between all the servers, instead of primarily being a one to many relationship.
In short, if you spread out the users equally, suddenly every instance begins to have federation issues with each other, and everyone has a worse experience. With a bigger “main” instance, the majority of users are less affected by federation issues, and the issues are less common.
The regional servers have more of a balance here. 90% of their content may be old, but the 10% they are up to date with are the things closest to them, most important to them, and maybe in their language.
I do appreciate having several general use instances. I just don’t want to send newbies there who will generalize their experience to all of Lemmy and the Fediverse.
I think I have seen your posts on reddit before haha
Oh definitely !
Wait, are you u/blazealt?
I’m not very into Lemmy, what’s so bad about lemmy.ml?
We read and comprehend the Communist Manifesto with some level of agreement and usually quite a bit more. But it’s mostly privacy focused. Full disclosure: vegan anarchist.
I don’t understand how you could possibly think this. Literally any discussion of China, even non-political that does not conform to the admins beliefs results in an immediate instance-wide ban. It is one of the most censored spaces on the internet and absolutely not safe for anarchist ideas.
My account is 3 years old and have talked about anarchist ideas with them in the past and haven’t been banned. Don’t know what to tell you hoss
It’s mostly Tankie focused, Tiananmen square massacre happened, and the CCP and Russia are Authoritarian dictatorships
It’s controversial. It was created by the creators of Lemmy and has some techbro feelings about a lot of stuff. I’m not trying to start an .ml fight, I’m against pushing for any particular instance.
I would recommend new users to stay away from the biggest ones and steer towards one level down. You want enough communities and instances to line your front page, but the big ones are big enough. Let’s spread the load.
I don’t think you need any communities to line your front page until you get subscriptions going. I think going a level down from the biggest ones is still too big and will still lead to giant instances as they inevitably grow over time. Same with putting practically all the communities on lemmy.world or lemmy.ml.
That’s concentrating a lot of people and content in a handful of places, and slightly-less-centralized is still effectively centralized. No instance admins should have that much power.
No matter what advice you give people, they’re still basically going to do what they want. Many will prefer to join larger servers, and some will always prefer smaller ones.
Honestly I think we should worry way less about this, because Lemmy is FOSS and we have enough solid instances already. People will naturally find their way and if larger instances get power drunk, people will leave. We don’t need to try to orchestrate and fine tune what instances people use. Let them do what they want, and trust that the decentralized and redundant federated structure will function as intended.
It should only come into play if large instances actually can’t keep up with their userbase growth from a technological standpoint. But again that problem solves itself because they can just close sign ups.
and if larger instances get power drunk, people will leave.
Will they though? I’ve seen people wanting to leave the bigger ones and don’t know how to transfer all of their subs and stuff.
There are already tools for that, and it will probably get easier with time. In general, people should be encouraged to create multiple accounts on different servers from the beginning, so they already have built in options if they want to leave.
I use different sorting algorithms on my different accounts and also have different subscriptions, so the front page often looks totally different when I sign into my alts. Some of them are even federated with hexbear 🫣. I always find interesting posts that I missed by doing that.
There are already tools for that,
What tools and where can I find them?
Yeah, that’s kind of my point. A lot of people have no clue how the Fediverse works, and so they see that an instance is big and maybe has the name Lemmy in it, and they think that that’s going to be the one to give them the best experience.
Letting people know that they can get basically the same experience without having to go with the big ones is something I think everybody should know, since it’s such a foreign concept to centralized social media. They have choice in the matter.
And if they want to stick with the big ones, because they like some aspect, then they’ve at least been made aware of what their options are. People should be able to make informed decisions.
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I have no idea how this is done, or that it was a thing.
He answers a little bit down. You go to settings and there’s an export button. Save that to your drive, sign up for the new instance you’d like to go to and then import that .json file.
I was referencing to when I signed up for Lemmy. I really missed the front page of r/ and was looking for that. I didn’t realize that the default would be so dead and also, I was on a really small instance, so the page was suuuuper dead since nothing was referenced yet. People can switch to smaller, but we don’t want to overwhelm them or make it look way worse populated than it is. I get your concern, but that’s why I recommend it to be mid level. You may not care if your front page is dead, but the newbies do.
I get that. I think it is therefore incumbent upon us and the people running instances to inform new users how to do this new thing.
I’m not saying your way is wrong, just that I think inertia will ultimately win out over ideology.
Anyway, have a lovely day!
It took a few times for me to cross over because it was completely new to me. I guess that might not be the case for every crossover. You have a lovely day too.
They’re part of the Tankie Triad who deny the human rights violations of the CCP and hold them up as the gold standard.
Basically Authoritarian bootlickers pretending to not be authoritarians
It’s a tankie instance. “ML” as in Marxism-Leninism.
And here I was thinking it was just a cheap ccTLD to use.
If only :(
I think that’s TLD for Malaysia?
That’s what I thought until I looked it up recently! .my is Malaysia, .ml is Mali.
and in practice they are more MLM (maoism) or MLS (stalinism).
Yeah if they were run of the mill Marxists it’d be one thing, but it’s an authoritarian mess
i left yesterday after 12 years. joined lemmy. the internet was a lot cooler before it was run by billionaires and ass kissers who are intimidated by billionaires.
fuck em all
Welcome!
Welcome to the fight soldier.
ignore the piles of beans.
Currently shitty egg memes I believe.
My account is 14 years old, and I’m almost to the my line where I’m going to torch it. The censorship is getting bad!
I do miss the Reddit from 10-14 years ago. So sad that it’s gone. It was truly amazing.
I found all the automated tools don’t work anymore. It took me 3 hours to manually delete all my content before I i deleted my account. Good luck.
Oh damn, shreddit doesn’t work any longer?
You can also keep your account to talk about Lemmy
That’s the trick. Historical accounts are valuable to avoid automated bans when posting lemmy links.
You kept your account for 14 years? I always deleted my accounts after some time. Longest one was for almost 3 years I think.
Mine is 16 yo by now I think. I don’t delete it as it’s historical enough not to get auto banned when doing agitation for lemmy over there.
Well you’re in a good spot. Lemmy is like reddit 14 years ago 😅
When you’ve settled in, consider joining a smaller instance! Just because it has “Lemmy” in the name doesn’t mean it’s official or good. We all federate together, so you can still join communities hosted on other instances.
thank you! still wrapping my head around the “instances” thing but i think i’m starting to get it
I’ve been here a while, and don’t have any desire to check out other instances. I just know that if Lemmy.world goes under, or its management starts fucking around, there are plenty of places I can go.
Leaving Reddit was not as simple.
Different geocities neighborhoods
I’m going to repeat what I’ve been saying a lot lately. The default is “active.” If that gets boring (it probably will), switch to “hot,” “new,” and “top 6 hours” to get a more vibrant experience. The search engine is confusing at first, but is pretty good.
i left yesterday after 12 years. joined lemmy.
Welcome!
Here’s your welcome-possum:
I thought we do welcome beans?
Welcome, glad you could make it! I hope you find this to be a cool place.
For best results, subscribe to communities you want to have a dedicated feed for, and block communities, instances and users that aren’t worth your time, since there is the occasional jerk like you might find anywhere on the internet.
since there is the occasional jerk like you
Hey!
might find anywhere on the internet.
Oh.
Excellent. Every long term power redditor exiting is a good blow to reddit. They’re left with all the lurkers who just want to consume content so they’ll have to rely more and more on ai slop until people realize it’s all fake.
Welcome!
Welcome!
The web UI is accessible on any device and there are plenty of apps as well such as Sync and Voyager.
Jerboa has treated me well. I tried others but Jerboa is similar to Baconreader which is what I used in the olden times
Fellow baconreader refugee here. I use Jeboa and Eternity alternatingly. They were both good and I was never able to choose. baconreader was a great tool for research into other peoples experiences, knowledge, and opinions. Also the memes etc. I’m glad threaded convos live on via Lemmy.
I hope lemmy.ml is ready for the influx, particularly as this post linked them directly.
Hopefully NOT so it breaks and people go-to more sane instances
Think of your average redditor. They’ll just think it’s broken and go back to reddit.
Better than them going back to Reddit and thinking “Lemmy is just Tankies”
Like I’ve seen many times before
I honestly think those are bots and children. I was confused only very briefly by the least accessible explanations known to man, before figuring it out for myself. I just wish more people knew how to link !communities and @profiles.
Your username gave me a mini heart attack.
!communities federation is busted. sometimes the final link is federated which makes it functionally useless for anyone outside the original instance. I haven’t been able to figure out why, just don’t down vote bomb anyone replying with a working link because it works for you, thanks.
I thought it was just my instance doing it! And everyone downvotes links no matter what. I think it’s something to do with apps opening them in the browser? I dunno
They probably don’t want the annoying people commenting “R slash funny” or “r slash clevercomebacks” on every post.
I didnt even hear the word tankie til I got here, its just other lemmy users keeping ppl away
I think it’s just that they are more obvious here, so it led to a popular use term. Bigger issue is that they can be kinda annoying and I suspect it might only grow their numbers if they are the default community that potential redditors have as their first experience in lemmy.
They should really include the no ads thing. I think it’s a great selling point, and it would be useful to leverage.
While this is true some instances do need donations it’s very probable that some instances could include ads in the future.
Totally fair, but at the moment, there are none. And even if instances will start using 3rd party ads, there will also be instances that will never run ads. The power of federation at work.
While I agree with the message, that the people should leave all centralized Social Media services, the big mistake here is concentrating a massive user-base on one instance (.ml) of one specific service (Lemmy) instead of spreading the influx towards many smaller, but still solid instances and federated services (PieFed, Mastodon, MBin).
Even disregarding .ml’s reputation, if this post does reach a substantial user-base, the only thing happening then is .ml receiving a HoD and people losing faith in the Fediverse as a whole (e: spelling) due to this, sadly. :c
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I saw it being denounced as a psyop which I thought was funny, since I think it pretty clearly isn’t one. But directing people to lemmy.ml is bad advice as most of us know.
When I first heard of Lemmy, I curiously poked around, and at the time it was just lemmygrad and ml. Needless to say I backed out quickly. Glad it got some diversity with the api kerfuffle.
Xit
.ml? hope they know.
They do, look at their unbelievably purple prose. This person thinks they’re the modern day Lenin or something.
what’s wrong with my instance? its a real question, i dont use lemmy that often
Extremely sensitive admins who ban people from all communities for any criticism of China, Cuba and North Korea.
It’s a running joke on Lemmy at this point.
So these socialist admins banned some people from all socialist communities. Then the liberal admins from the largest instances banned all socialists from all instances as collective punishment. Because… authoritarianism?
I mean that explanation doesn’t explain why the socialist instances are all pre-banned and pre-censored on the mainstream instances. Which makes the poster perfect irony.
oops, i should migrate
lemmy.ml 😬
Haha who the hell made this? This reads like a basement dwellers wet dream. “fight the man! Fight the machine!..from our keyboards!”
Does it wax poetic? Yeah, sure.
Is it right? Yes.
Is it from our keyboards? So what? That’s how it starts. If we don’t congregate and open communication about what’s happening in a space where we can’t be censored, then there’s no chance of anything in opposition happening.
It borders on cringe, but I support it 100%.
where every user is a revolutionary
Ahem. Cosplays as a revolutionary.
Tell me the difference between resistance and performative resistance?
Look I’m not gonna dox the mf’er, but the primary force behind the .ml instance, and frankly all of lemmy, spends a lot of time enjoying the privilege and benefits that come with being a well paid software living in a “global north” social democracy. Thankfully, they have since cleaned up their profile, but previously, it was trivially easy to figure out where a certain person lived, at least the metro, what company they worked at, and that their income range was well into the 6 figure plus.
If you are new to lemmy, maybe take a bit more time to develop your understanding of the ‘lore’ that underpins this place. If you are already familiar, please understand that basically the core development team of lemmy, and admins of the dot ml instance advocate for a kind of authoritarianism they’ve been shielded from their entire lives, and that they’ve enjoyed extraordinary privilege that has only, historically, been available to the global north, and specifically, a kind of democratic socialism that affords them incredible breadth of opportunity. And its fine that they have contradictions and don’t live their perspectives; but I’m going to exercise a significant degree of criticism at this disconnect.
Another reddexit?
There have been multiple, i left at the second, but reddit is filled to the brim with AI accounts and people who have no idea. Even if its all fake, reddit has enough traffic Tongo on for a while.
True. But Reddit has already lost users. I 100% noticed a reduction after they banned 3rd party apps. Daily top posts don’t have as many upvotes as they used to. Less total comments.
A small win, but a win nonetheless. I mean, we’re here.
It’s a little bit dramatic, it’s a little bit wordy.
Yup, it probably is a genuine thing from the source: certainly, it was written by a redditor.“Rage, rage against the dying of the light.”
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Yeah, this is a terminally online manifesto that I couldn’t even get through. It’s roleplay and storytelling, which is what our species is great at, but it doesn’t connect with reality beyond that.
Look guys, if you want to engage in some kind of organized social action that will actually make a difference, turn off social media entirely. You moving from reddit to lemmy feels good in a micro-narrative, but nobody cares, it won’t change anything for anyone. It’s not bad, but it’s not some heroic action either.
You can do so, so much more for the causes you care about by GOING THE FUCK OUTSIDE.
You can do so, so much more for the causes you care about by GOING THE FUCK OUTSIDE.
I mean…it all starts with communication, right?
This platform is a source for communication. One that isn’t affected by corporate goons and Nazis the way Reddit is. The internet is literally the most effective form of communication if used properly. Yeah, you eventually have to go outside and get dirty, but it starts places like this.
We shouldn’t be putting this post down. It’s not productive.
I think that you can leave reddit and do other meaningful things as well. In fact it might even help you do so. And being a little dramatic might just be what some people need as a push to do it. I didn’t get through all of this either, but then I have already left there.
revolutions are born in monents like these
Holy shit can this whole thing be any more corny? Is this done by teenagers? Don’t get me wrong fuck Musk/reddit/etc. but what is even the outrage about this time?
Subreddits are being banned and important information being hindered from being seen. It may be corny to you but at least they’re trying. What have you done?
I limited my internet time to just an hour or two a day and stopped caring about any of this worthless performative BS.
If there are causes you care about or actions you want to take to impact the world and make a difference, GOING THE FUCK OUTSIDE does so, so much more than this kind of roleplay teenage bullshit. Moving your worthless scrolling time from one website to another isn’t going to bring the establishment to its knees. But going out and donating a box of socks and underwear to a community food bank will literally change someone’s life.
edit: if these kinds of messages make you angry or feel called out, that’s a sure, 100% accurate predictor that you’re exactly who this message is directed at. For that matter, if you’re reading the feelings and opinions of others (what social media is) then you’re not living your own life and finding your own emotional states and this is why we’re here. We’re discarding our lives to live in both the rage and satisfaction of others. When was the last time you sought out other HUMANS to feel these things? How much have you worked to exercise whatever shriveled spark of free-will is left in there? Are you just surfing from stimulation to stimulation as your brain invents rationalizations for your lack of actual life and progress? GO OUT AND DO LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE, YOU SHOULDN’T BE SITTING IN FRONT OF YOUR MONITOR ANGRY YOU DENSE, TRAPPED MOTHERFUCKER.
I’m not sure if I share the exact same sentiment as @mint_tamas@lemmy.world, but I honestly did have the thought of, “Who (or For Whom), does this format work for anymore?”
Like I get it, it’s classical and all. A call back to a historic time where action was taken (just don’t look into it too hard, you’ll get disappointed if you learn outside the “Americuh” version). But, now it just feels a little … disingenuous? Idk the exact word/feeling, maybe because it’s been co-opted by so many bad actors or maybe that we’re talking about social media websites.
I guess this format gives off a dude’s “Love, Live, Laugh” version of righteousness, that even though the message may be correct, it just feels like a weird marketing technique.
