Would community defense organizing be good?
film them
Personally I’d just comply. They’re thugs, not law enforcement. They’ll hurt you and there will be no recourse available. If they’re there for someone else, I’d probably comfort that person and ask if there’s someone they’d like me to call.
Found the spy
Honestly if I value your own life and survival, which most people do, your best bet is to be docile and comply.
Actual resistance is better done planned in advance, the US even helpfully write its own guide during WW2
Imo; fuck them pigs.
Do NOT proper fuck them
I know from experience, that cops enjoy being hate pegged by lesbians.
I mean, not my OWN experience, but lesbians have told me what they did.
First, contact as many people as you can, especially local ICE watch orgs. A lot have hotlines which you may be able to find with a web search. Next start recording. Delay as long as possible. Ask for a warrant, stay calm and maybe try to negotiate as a stall tactic. This will hopefully give community members time to arrive and record or hopefully apply pressure if they are brave and numerous enough. It is possible to intimidate and drive them back with enough numbers.
All else fails at this point I would not fight back and allow yourself to be arrested. Most citizens being arrested right now are being released. The courts are slow but still upholding the law for now. If you are not a citizen then your options might not be as good. Fighting back is likely to get you injured or killed but if you have an escape route it could be worthwhile, especially if you can escape in areas where motor vehicles can’t go. Their level of fitness is generally low so they can’t give chase for long, and as long as you’re not high profile you might be safe once you get away, though you’ll likely need to lie low somewhere.
If you’re asking what to do about the current political situation in a broader sense then I have different answers.
FOLLOW-UP QUESTION: What about invoking the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution (which by the way gives you the right against self-incrimination)?
ICE don’t care about the law, as evidenced by everything they’ve done ever.
yeah, that will stop them taking you away by force, and ripping out cosmetic implants or other surgeries (I could only find the link to the latter with the little time I have)
I’m in rural Cheshire in the UK, so first of all I’d be very surprised.
Light em up
I think groups of openly armed citizens patrolling the streets would be a huge deterrent to ICE. These guys are violent bullies when they operate against unarmed people, but I doubt they are willing to mess with a mass of armed defenders.
But if the military continues to go along with Trump then this just may escalate things.
Use your gun.
Don’t have one? Get one.
Can’t get one? Make one.
Hit me up for PDF on option 3.
You really just need a steel tube and a hammer.
Well yeah, but anything worth doing is worth overdoing.
Two hammers?
Sup, I’d like info on option 3 please
That would probably be the FGC-9. Or Luty’s Expedient Homemade Firearms. That said, getting into a gunfight with armed federal agents seems like a quick way to commit suicide.
Oh I’m not at all, I was just curious how poor of a idea they DIY firearm was…I once saw one that used a square tip shovel to start. I don’t know if some folks could machine that shit nope from me
Vice News did a bit on 3d printed firearms a while back. It was really interesting and gave a realistic demonstration of the ease and difficulties of 3d printed firearms.
Actually I don’t have that one in my collection yet, thank you for my next project.
Will the left finally accept the need for 2a?
As to downvotes that aren’t related to phrasing: do you really think that’s an invalid statement? Why?
I didn’t downvote you, but it’s been my experience that liberals tend to support ineffectual gun control and the left tend to already be armed.
Democrats aren’t much to the left of Republicans.
Yep, that’s why I changed phrasing - and, agreed.
The left are armed. Or did you mean Democrats/Liberals?
Fair enough.
Liberal here. I’ve a real beauty of a Lee-Enfield that was used to kill fascists in the 20th century. She’s ready to do so once again in the 21st if necessary.
That’s awesome, I’d like to fire one some day. I love a good bolt action.
Action is smoother than a fifty year old Scotch. Constructed about a hundred years ago, but if you didn’t know that, you’d swear it was brought into the King’s service yesterday.
Another liberal here with a literal fucking arsenal suck my balls divider
I’m from Denmark, and reading this thread is really scary. What the hell is going on over there?
the people behind a 5 decade long plan to build amerikkka finally feel secure enough to take off their masks
The federal government is sending masked agents to brutalize and terrorize people is cities that are adversarial to their agenda.
It’s bad.
Essentially a 1930s Germany speed run by the stupidest fascists you can imagine.
Just think those old black and white films of whimsical aviation fails. That is what they are in real life. We’ll see how history plays out. Not usually too well for these types. Just bad optics overall.
Full Nazi takeover and not enough resistance although the ICE agent shooting Renee Good in the head three times has gotten some people to react.
Do a nazi thing, like a hitler salute. That way they get confused, and could possibly see you as one of them.
Second idea: wear an explosive belt at all times, now you can get all of them, and if youre lucky even the bomb expert and negotiator.
If you go out wearing a suicide vest, you’ll get 84 virgins of your choosing. Men, women, sheep . . .
If NOT those things, what else should I do?
Leave the country. Its far better for you and your family
Rabbits foot?
If we reached the point where they came into my house I’d be fucked no matter what, so I’d take as many as I could with me. No use in making my death meaningless.
You either contribute to the United States’ brain drain so that the economic situation collapses, or you use the second amendment.
Dont use advice found on the internet that come from keyboard warrior. Comply with the law and nothing will happen to you
Comply with the law and nothing will happen to you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wrongful_convictions_in_the_United_States
I concur. Don’t listen to internet keyboard warriors.
do it your way. tell me how 2000 thousand wrongfull conviction on nearly 300 year give you exclusive right ?
I don’t think I can.
well if you wanna prouve me right the best way is to assault law enforcement and that the justice say it was justified. Idk how you wanna dot it but tell me if you do
No, it’s not that. You’re definitely wrong. Slaves being bought, sold and abused were complying with the law, and that did not work out for them. People of Japanese ancestry were complying with the law when they were moved into concentration camps during WWII, and that was not okay. Just complying with the law is not going to protect you from harm. To add to this, black people had to fight against the law for almost a century in order to get recognized as equal to white people. Women had to protest and non-comply with the law in order to get recognized as equal to men. So active non-compliance is practically a requirement for things to change for legally marginalized people.
The real problem with explaining it all is that every time I see someone going hard to defend the absolute dumbest, room-temp IQ, stance on a situation, it’s usually you, or like 3 other people. I don’t even have to read your name to know a post belongs to you, the absolutely backwards crap you post has it’s own very unique style that lasts substance or tact. I don’t think you could be convinced that you are wrong, despite the preponderance of evidence that you couldn’t be further from the truth.
No, it’s not that. You’re definitely wrong. Slaves being bought, sold and abused were complying with the law, and that did not work out for them. People of Japanese ancestry were complying with the law when they were moved into concentration camps during WWII, and that was not okay
Can u have an exemple that happened when you were born ?
Just complying with the law is not going to protect you from harm.
Agree in theory butt you push the argument to an extreme that make no sens.
To add to this, black people had to fight against the law for almost a century in order to get recognized as equal to white people. Women had to protest and non-comply with the law in order to get recognized as equal to men.
Again can u take an exemple that happened from where your were born ?
So active non-compliance is practically a requirement for things to change for legally marginalized people.
Can u describe who is the marginalized ppl in that case ?
I don’t think you could be convinced that you are wrong, despite the preponderance of evidence that you couldn’t be further from the truth.
yeah cause it s well known that your chance to be a victim of police violence dont dramaticaly increase when you refuse to complie. The real problem with explaining it all is that every time I see someone going hard to defend the absolute dumbest, room-temp IQ, stance on a situation.
See, this is exactly what I was talking about. No, I’m not doing any of that. Take a hike.
Says don’t follow advice from anonymous internet people.
gives advice.
Dude is a fuckin Nazi
i tought it was a reasonable one that anybody can achieve the same conclusion. Have your gotcha
Fucking Nazis won’t be tolerated
did anybody fought the nazi in your familly ? you know the real nazi not just ppl you call name when you disagree with them on the internet.
Only Nazis believe that Nazis are “people you disagree with” so besides your long history of evil positions, that’d be more evidence you’re a Nazi.
If you dont disagree you ?
Have fun sealioning and spreading bile while it lasts. Your account will be banned soon :)
ok i thought you would fight nazi with more force than hoppe that my online account on a platform use by 0,0001% of the world would be ban. have fun
That’s a calculation each of us has to make personally. If you are white, a citizen, have people that rely on you, and are wealthy enough that they can fight a legal battle for you, maybe don’t resist and hope for the best. If you are none of those, and you think you might get sent to a concentration camp or Africa, maybe defend yourself as best you can.
Good luck to everyone.
