Workers should learn AI skills and companies should use it because it’s a “cognitive amplifier,” claims Satya Nadella.
in other words please help us, use our AI
Literally burning the planet with power demand from data centers but not even knowing what it could possibly be good for?
That’s eco-terrorism for lack of a better word.
Fuck you.
“Social permission” is one word for it.
Most people don’t realize this is happening until it hits their electric bills. Microslop isn’t permitted to steal from us. They’re just literal thieves.
you will enjoy your chatbot that confidently tells lies while electricity bill goes up by 50% and the nearby datacentres try to make the next model not use em-dashes
As a long-time user of the em-dash I’m pissed off that my usual writing style now makes people think I used AI. I have to second-guess my own punctuation and paraphrase.
I don’t use LLMs for anything creative for the express purpose of avoiding generic tone, haha.
We suffer together! At least my semicolon is still safe.
[Microsoft are] just literal thieves.
Always have been.
(But now it’s worse because it’s the entire public, not just their competitors)
They aren’t Microsoft anymore, they’re full on Microslop.
“social permission”?
Society didn’t even permit you and others to spread AI onto everyone to begin with.
As opposed to legal permission, which, hahahahaha
I don’t think there’s a single data center anywhere that a significant amount of locals are even ambilivient a out, let alone support…
In pretty much every place, they’re getting massive tax breaks citizens pay for, and cheaper energy prices because citizens will pay the higher cost due to increased demand of the data center.
We need to seize all this shit from corps.
Stop fucking around, once trump is handled we need to nationalize a whole lot of shit that’s been privatized the last 50 years.
I’ve also read reports that the noise levels and pollution coming out of these things is staggering. Not to mention they appear to be built as quickly as possible with little regard for laws and regulations.
Fucks the water up too.
People that live too close turn their taps open and can get barely a trickle, sometimes literally nothing.
Because the data centers are sucking up potable water for cooling because it’s cheaper to run it wild open no matter what than paying for a sustainable cooling system up front.
That’s mainly Grok, since Elon did never even bother getting approval for the shitton of Gas Turbines he placed which wreak havoc on the air quality in Memphis. I think xAI is the only Datacenter running on 100% fossil fuels, without permission from any municipality…
Data centers should be demolished by act of a real leader if we ever get one. They got this data by corrupt means perverting our laws and regulators. They deserve to lose their entire investments, that information is a threat to society and we should not allow tech lords to control it.
demolish
Fuck that, repurpose them. Even if you just break down the tech components and use the buildings for something unrelated.
They deserve to lose their entire investments
Yes, nationalization involves the seizing of resources…
I’m just saying there’s no reason to destroy anything
High Performance Compute for medical research to go with the free healthcare we should also have in this scenario.
That information is a danger in the hands of government. Burn the motherfuckers down. There is no legitimate need for that much computing power, all devoted to enslaving us.
In English: “they’re talking about guillotines a lot”
techbros don’t understand consent
Fuck this loser. We have enough issues to deal with on a daily basis. We don’t need to subsidize your fear of having wasted ungodly amounts of money and becoming irrelevant.
That’s a YOU problem, fool.
“Cognitive amplifier?” Bullshit. It demonstrably makes people who use it stupider and more prone to believing falsehoods.
I’m watching people in my industry (software development) who’ve bought into this crap forget how to code in real-time while they’re producing the shittiest garbage I’ve laid eyes on as a developer. And students who are using it in school aren’t learning, because ChatGPT is doing all their work - badly - for them. The smart ones are avoiding it like the blight on humanity that it is.
I’m watching people in my industry (software development) who’ve bought into this crap forget how to code in real-time while they’re producing the shittiest garbage I’ve laid eyes on as a developer.
Yes. Then I come on Lemmy and see a dedicated pack of heralds constantly professing that they do the work of 10 devs while eating bon bons and everyone that isn’t using it is stupid. So annoying
God, that’s so frustrating. I want to shake them and shout, “No, your code is 100% ass now, but you don’t know it because it passes tests that were written by the same LLM that wrote your code! And you have barely laid eyes on it, so you’re forgetting what good code even looks like!”
“Cognitive amplifier?” Bullshit. It demonstrably makes people who use it stupider and more prone to believing falsehoods.
Demonstrably proven, too.
EEG revealed significant differences in brain connectivity: Brain-only participants exhibited the strongest, most distributed networks; Search Engine users showed moderate engagement; and LLM users displayed the weakest connectivity. Cognitive activity scaled down in relation to external tool use.
https://www.media.mit.edu/publications/your-brain-on-chatgpt/
I’m watching people in my industry (software development) who’ve bought into this crap forget how to code in real-time while they’re producing the shittiest garbage I’ve laid eyes on as a developer.
I just spent two days fixing multiple bugs introduced by some AI made changes, the person who submitted them, a senior developer, had no idea what the code was doing, he just prompted some words into Claude and submitted it without checking if it even worked, then it was “reviewed” and blindly approved by another coworker who, in his words, “if the AI made it, then it should be alright”
“if the AI made it, then it should be alright”
Show him the errors of his ways. People learn best by experience.
You’re right, they SHOULD be fired.
Management loves that they are using AI, they will probably get promoted if anything.
It’s being pushed very hard by management where I work and I’m consistently seeing the same as above. I mentioned on another thread recently that I’ve heard “I don’t know why Claude did that” multiple times over the past few weeks.
It’s infuriating.
A scapegoat to shove that little responsibility (golden parachute) they get paid for so much on.
The number of times I’ve been debugging something and a coworker messages “I asked ChatGPT and it said [obviously wrong thing]” makes me want to gouge my eyes out
Look for another work place as soon as you can. If not you will forever be in the position of being the cleaner of their shit and you will not gain anything by it. They will get their metrics going up and you will be known to be the slow guy because you care about fixing the code.
I study mechatronics in Germany and I don’t avoid it. I have yet to meet a single person who is avoiding it. I have made tremendous progress learning with it. But that is mostly the case because my professors refuse to give solutions for the seminars. Learning is probably the only real advantage that I have seen yet. If you don’t use it for cheating or shorcuts, which is of course a huge problem. But getting answers to problems, getting to ask specific follow up questions and most of all researching and getting to the right information faster (through external links from AI) has made studying much more efficient and enjoyable for me.
I don’t like the impact on society AI is having bur personally it has really helped me so far. (discounting the looming bubble crises and the market effect it is having on memory f.e.)
I’ve been programming professionally for 25 years. Lately we’re all getting these messages from management that don’t give requirements but instead give us a heap of AI-generated code and say “just put this in.” We can see where this is going: management are convincing themselves that our jobs can be reduced to copy-pasting code generated by a machine, and the next step will be to eliminate programmers and just have these clueless managers. I think AI is robbing management of skills as well as developers. They can no longer express what they want (not that they were ever great at it): we now have to reverse-engineer the requirements from their crappy AI code.
So in your case, not only is the LLM coding assistant not making you faster, it’s actively impeding your productivity and the productivity of your stakeholders. That sucks, and I’m sorry you’re having to put up with it.
I’m lucky that in my day job, we’re not (yet) forced to use LLMs, and the “AI coding platform” our upper management is trying to bring on as an option is turning out to be an embarrassing boondoggle that can’t even pass cybersecurity review. My hope is that the VP who signed off on it ends up shit-canned because it’s such a piece of garbage.
but instead give us a heap of AI-generated code and say “just put this in.”
we now have to reverse-engineer the requirements from their crappy AI code.
It may be time for some malicious compliance.
Don’t reverse engineer anything. Do as your told and “just put this in” and deploy it. Everything will break and management will explode, but now you’ve demonstrated that they can’t just replace you with AI.
Now explain what you’ve been doing (reverse engineering to figure out their requirements), but that you’re not going to do that anymore. They need to either give you proper requirements so that you can write properly working code, or they give you AI slop and your just going “put it in” without a second thought. L
You’ll need your whole team on board for this to work, but what are they going to do, fire the whole team and replace them with AI? You’ll have already demonstrated that that’s not an option.
I decided not to finish my college program partially because of AI like chatgpt. My last 2 semesters would have been during the pandemic with an 8 month work term before. Covid ended up canceling the work term and would give me the credit anyway. The rest of the classes would all be online and mostly multiple choice quizs. There wasn’t a lot of AI scanning tech for academic submissions yet either. I felt if i continued, I’d be getting a worse product for the same price (online vs in class/lab), wont get that valuble work experience, and id be at a disadvantage if i didnt use AI in my work.
Luckily my program had a 2 year of 3 year option. The first 2 years of the 3 year is the same so i just took the 2 year cert and got out.
Was AI really that big of a thing at the time of Covid?
It was just starting out around that time, hence why it wasn’t much of a concern in my earlier semesters. Plus they had better in class controls for cheating like monitoring computers and in person exams instead of online. You would have got an instant fail if you got caught using AI or plagarism on your projects.
Wym you would be at a disadvantage? College isn’t a competition. By not using AI in the learning process and submissions you might get a lower grade than others, but trust me no one fucking checks your college grades. They check if you know what you are doing.
In fact you wouldn’t get a lower grade, others would have an inflated grade which then won’t translate to skills and will have issues in the workforce.
It didn’t sit right with me. I made the deans list each semester before that for good grades. I wanted no speculation that my grades were influenced by AI in the next semester. In a competitive job market, making the deans list consistently could absolutely stand out among other candidates. It shows respect for deadlines and the education.
This has to be a bot - no student in the history of the universe has ever said this, ever
Not a bot. Both my internship interviews commented on me making the deans list.
And students who are using it in school aren’t learning, because ChatGPT is doing all their work - badly - for them.
This is the one that really concerns me. It feels like generations of students are just going to learn to push the slop button for any and everything they have to do. Even if these bots were everything techbros claimed they are, this would still be devastating for society.
Well, one way or another it won’t be too many generations. Either we figure out it’s a bad idea or sooner or later things will go off the wheels enough that we won’t maintain the infrastructure to support everyone using this type of “AI”. Being kind of right 90% of the time is not good enough at a power plant.
Businesses have invested too much time, money and promises in AI to admit they made a mistake, now. And like all business models based on the Sunk Cost Fallacy, it’s going to do a lot of damage along the way before it finally dies.
Even one or two seems like it’d be catastrophic. And if nothing’s changed until they enter the workforce and start fucking shit up, I’d say that’s something like 10 years of teens becoming dependent on it and losing out on critical education and development (presuming worst case - no market crash). That’s a lot of damage.
As evidence: How the fuck is a company as big as Microsoft letting their CEO keep making such embarassing public statements? How the fuck has he not been forced into more public speaking training by the board?
This is like the 4th “gaffe” of his since the start of the year!
You don’t usually need “social permission” to do something good. Mentioning that is at best, publicly stating that you think you know what’s best for society (and they don’t). I think the more direct interpretation is that you’re openly admitting you’re doing the type of thing that you should have asked permission for, but didn’t.
This is past the point of open desperation.
Love your name.
Wild guess here is the social one is the one where most countries has allowed them to do what it takes and special contract deals.
Likely not public socially. At least, I doubt that.
Last time they were crying that nobody wanted it and made the word bad. It’s all kinda strategy to converse most amount of people you can. Like other users mentioned above the post of people in their org using gpt. I see this too in my org and by variety or engineers or regular folks and I face palm every time because you get responses that roughly makes sense but contextually are horrendously poor and misunderstood entirely.
Desperation probably because they invested so much money on something of a demand that doesn’t even exit yet.
And they are all getting dependent and addicted to something that is currently almost “free” but the monetization of it all will soon come in force. Good luck having the money to keep paying for it or the capacity to handle all the advertisement it will soon start to push out. I guess the main strategy is manipulate people into getting experience with it with these 2 or 3 years basically being equivalent to a free trial and ensuring people will demand access to the tools from their employees which will pay from their pockets. When barely anyone is able to get their employers to pay for things like IDEs… Oh well.
We watched this exact same tactic happen with Xbox gamepass over the last 5 years. They introduced it and left in the capability to purchase the “upgrade” for $1/year. Now they are suddenly cranking it up to $30/month and people are still paying it because they feel like it’s a service they “have to have”.
This recent massive price hike (it fucking doubled) is what got me to cancel my live, completely.
I’ve been subscribed since 2002, when it first released. So their greed lost a sure stream of income. I’m not alone.
Small sample but everyone i know dropped it on the increase to 30 bucks. One of them had been primarily playing PlayStation and xbox for the last decade but has gotten and primarily plays steam deck now.
Is it $30/month on top of Xbox gold or does the game pass include it?
It’s included, but good lord if that’s not a very high price for temporary access to a collection of bargain bin games. You could buy a full price game every other month for that money.
or 3-6 indies on sale - hell if you save up that money you can go nuts every steam/gog same, 360$ should get you around 1k$ games retail price upwards if you are a patient gamer
Edit: and you can KEEP that, not temporary
On top of that, I have personally developed some gaming habits that I don’t care for at all as a direct result of gamepass.
What type of habits?
The theoretically vast availability has made me quick to abandon games that didn’t deserve it. I’m having a lot of difficulty committing to even some objectively good games. I don’t enjoy the bouncing around and yet I keep doing it. It feels related to FOMO.
Subscriptions are thieves of intentionality
Gold doesn’t exist anymore. Now it’s game pass core or something…the rate went up with that forced “migration”. You do get access to a few “free” games with core, but you gotta pay way more to have the full deal. I think core (which is the cheapest, baseline options now) is $70/yr now?
Which is why I’ve dropped it myself. Not worth the price.
I’m usually too lazy when it comes to canceling things, but I canceled Game Pass right away. $30 per month is just offensive.
Agreed
Textbook example of enshittification.
Hell, Microsoft and Apple did the same thing decades ago. Microsoft offered computer discounts to high schools and colleges, so that the students would be used to (and demand) Microsoft when they went into the business world. Apple then undercut that by offering very discounted products to elementary and junior high schools, so that the students would want Apple products in higher education and the business world.
The tactic let them write off all the discounts on their taxes, but lock in customers and raise prices on business (and eventually consumer) goods.
AI is the new 3dTV
Hey, I like my 3D TV. Every once in a while I manage to find a pirated video that’s in 3D and it’s pretty neat. And unlike the current avalanche of generative/LLM bullshit, I can turn the 3D off, and when I do it works just fine as a perfectly ordinary TV, and in no way does it nag me incessantly to turn it back on.
It’s way worse than 3Dtv.
Yes, 3d tv was pushed too soon. If they waited for the glassless technology (like the 3ds screen for example) I think we would have 3d screen everywhere. Now the tech is dead because people had a really bad perception of 3d tv.
The 3DS screen kinda sucked though. It only worked well when your eyes were inside a very tight cone straight in front of the screen. Move your head just a little bit and the image went to shit. And even when it did work, it looked more cool than good, if that makes sense. That narrow fov thing is an inherent limitation of the technology that can hardly be worked around, and it makes it practically useless for TVs. Multiple people can’t view that screen because you can’t expect everyone to be in the vision cone at once. You can’t even properly view it alone because you won’t be staying inside that narrow vision cone the whole time you’ll be sitting on your couch watching Avatar.
I never saw mine as anything more than a cool gimmick, and kept its 3D-ness turned off 95% of the time. There’s a reason Nintendo didn’t pursue it further.
Hey, don’t be mean to 3DTV. At least there’s an actual use case for it. Watching 3D TV or movies, which aren’t actually that popular… Hmmm, I see your point but also counter with the 3D TVs are at least also regular TVs
Citizen developers of the world, disband!!
I already had enough reasons not to bother using it, he didn’t need to give me another one!
Avoid spending trillions on a product nobody wants to pay for.
My sole use for AI has been troubleshooting computer issues. I will say that AI often does a better job than first line tech support when prompted correctly. That being said, I am a tech nerd who knows more than the average computer user that is not in the IT industry. There will always be a reason for human tech support tiers for people who cannot prompt AI correctly, but still need their stuff to work. I personally don’t want AI invading my life any further.
That’s exactly the reason why you get good results when prompting a chatbot. You have the knowledge to ask the right questions with the needed keywords and lingo. What’s problematic is that Microslop and big tech in general are advertising AI as a generic tool for everyone and their grandmother. The result is garbage in, garbage out. It’s not going to work as advertised.
So…he has something USELESS and he wants everybody to FIND a use for it before HE goes broke?
I’ll get right on it.
I was expecting something much worse but to me it deels like he’s saying “we, the people working on this stuff, need to find real use cases that actually justifies the expense” which is…pretty reasonable
Not defending him or Microsoft at all here but it sounds like normal business shit, not a CEO begging users to like their product
I mean, it would be a lot more reasonable if the entire tech industry hadn’t gone absolutely 100% all-in on investing billions and billions of dollars into the technology before realizing that they didn’t have any use cases to justify that investment.
Oh you don’t have to convince me it was a mistake, his comment just wasn’t what it’s being made out to be. “Find a use for it or we’re fucked” is a lot different than “please use our product or we’re fucked”
Idk I don’t really see much of a distinction really
I dunno, there’s a pretty big distinction. “Please use our shitty thing” vs “Please make our shitty thing better so people want to use it”
It’s placing “blame” on the industry leaders for failing to make something useful
But HE is the industry leader.
It’s not like it wasn’t him that sunk every successful product they still had in the last couple of years.
It‘s insane how he says „we“ not as in „we at Microsoft“ but as in „Me, I and myself as the sole representative of the world economy say: Find use cases for my utterly destructive slop machine… or else!“
Tech CEOs have all gone mad by protagonist syndrome.
Well, he is the “money man”. He doesn’t DO any of the work himself, he “buys” workers.
He has NO skill, NO knowledge, NO training, NO license. Just money. All you need is money.
Nice paraphrasing!
Buddy, I hope you will lose social permission to keep your head attached to your body. All your heads on spikes, is what I dream of.
It’s getting more and more absurd.
“We can’t think of a good use for this parasite outside of our industry.”
Play with algorithms and datasets if you want, but make it efficient. We don’t need thousands of data centers guzzling water and electricity and disturbing the peace just to generate wrong answers and slop. Work on the algorithms, don’t just scale up the slop.
Microsoft angle is that they can run their AI on your documents and files (it’s all on OneDrive now remember?) and “know” about you and the world as a whole collectively at all times. The panopticon wet dream of advertisers and governments alike. Plus hardware will be too expensive for plebs and we’ll all have scaled back dumb terminal tablets that connect to Microsoft Azure Copilot Windows for $49.99/month
He has my permission to stop.
