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We all may feel some impulse to act, even violently, but have a great feeling of uncertainty because there are no leaders. We need direction based off of game theory, or something. We need strategies that are surgical, because be real — we are outgunned. Yes, there are gun owners on the left, but come on, you know who has the lion’s share. Not only that, but we are different in that we hesitate to harm, because it’s the last thing we want. My dad kills animals for pleasure, but I do not. Also, if you aren’t armed now, you better do so immediately, because the gun nuts are not going to blink an eye when we are inevitably denied access.
We need real strategy. Daggers in a select few hearts may be enough to shift things.
Are there organizations or groups that do this? They would have to do it in secret, so how could we know? So it seems we’d have to assume we couldn’t know and form our own? Honestly, please clue me in!
I mean that’s what they hoping you would do. I suspect they do this violence because they want to spark civil war and declare martial law.
But if possible, best is to wait until like November as the gonna lose senate and Congress.
But then again . Dems are corrupt assholes and won’t do much
How many people are they going to murder in the streets between now and November?
Yeah but. I think they control too many states now for civil war to succeed. This is imo deliberate provocation to start martial law
A mix of guerilla tactics and economic warfare (primarily strikes) and sabotage and etc ought to get it done!
What happens when armed thugs are told they have “total immunity”.
You know exactly.
You don’t have to watch the videos.
You’re going to watch a man getting killed. That’s not good for your mental health. You can just take a pass here and not watch. Your watching the video is probably not going to help in any way, and it might hurt you. So, just think about your own needs before you traumatize yourself for no reason.
No, we NEED to be traumatized by this. We need to feel the visceral outrage that it takes to absolutely demand justice, OR ELSE! and mean it.
If you want to get traumatized, you do you.
I wouldn’t push your own idea of personal trauma onto others. Probs not healthy for anyone
Everyone should watch the video. Ignorance is not, in fact, bliss. That man was murdered by our government because he dared to protect his fellow citizens. No one can appreciate how egregious that killing was until they see it in living color.
Hiding from the truth because the truth is hard, is no way to live. We should all know what it happening. It will effect us all sooner than we think.
It’s not ignorance to spare yourself the trauma of watching someone die. You can know what happened without having to watch it yourself.
“I don’t want, and shouldn’t have, to do/see something difficult, because of the negative implications it may have on me personally.” I think that logic is bunk.
It is cover for avoiding the hard realities of life and the world around us. It is cover be being a coward. We should confront the difficult moments, not hide from them because they will make us feel complicated emotions that we will need to process. That attitude is exactly how we ended up here a country and it should be called out for what it is - fear and weakness. Now is not a time for either, unless we want this situation to get worse.
You don’t need to personally witness all the brutalities of life to stay informed. Do you watch all the Internet’s child porn just to be aware it’s out there, and to suffer the consequences of that? Or is it only violence porn that you think is essential viewing?
I mean in this case there is a benefit to seeing exactly what happened and how it happened to confidently shield yourself from propaganda. The video isn’t graphic per say (no blood or gore), and a single viewing instantly demolishes the fox news narrative
Now like the charlie kirk video is senseless, and I 100% agree with you there, no point to viewing it if you don’t want to.
I mean in this case there is a benefit to seeing exactly what happened
Why?
to confidently shield yourself from propaganda
Unless you were an idiot who actually believed the lies the Trump admin tells, your shield is already up and active. If the Trump admin said that the sky was blue, I’d assume it was night. That was true months ago, nothing they’ve done or said recently has changed it.
There’s no prize for being viewer number 1,000,000,000 of the death. You’re not going to spot something that the previous 999,999,999 people all missed. You’re not going to discover that the vast majority of those nearly 1 billion other viewers were lying and it was actually Trump telling the truth. All you’re going to do is watch someone die, and discover that what everybody other than Trump toadies said is correct.
It’s a fair warning. But it also shows that there was no restraint. They murdered him. There was no struggle. He was just letting a woman go free. There was no threat on ICE. We all see it.
But a fair warning for those who haven’t seen something like that before.
Yes, and I got that information from you, without having to watch the video myself.
Correct. But I could be full of shit.
It’s also possible that you saw doctored footage. It’s possible that you’re mentally disturbed and don’t realize it and that what you think you saw isn’t actually what your eyes told you they were seeing. You could be a figment of my imagination. You could be an LLM bot. I could be an LLM bot. You could be trapped in the matrix.
Lots of things are possible. Most things are improbable. You gain essentially nothing by watching a snuff film for yourself to agree with the millions of other people who have also all watched it and all agree that they saw what they saw.
And unicorns might shit Lucky Charms. You only KNOW if you witness it yourself and form an opinion on your own.
Yes, so don’t rely on watching videos. The only way you know for sure is if you get shot yourself. Anybody claiming that you need to watch the video to truly understand what happened is deluded.
Are you trying to be difficult? I wouldn’t buy anything from you if you have this attitude.
I watched the video and yes it traumatized me. If you have personal trauma with situations that include police brutality and/or gun violence the video might retraumatize you. That having said, it’s a reality. We cannot deny this is happening and you better face the ugly reality we live in. However: this wasn’t the first incident and it won’t be the last. Do yourself and your sensible soul a favor and don’t watch all of this. A completely numbed down or traumatized countermovement doesn’t serve anybody.
We cannot deny this is happening and you better face the ugly reality we live in
There are more than 2 options. You don’t have to either a) “watch the video(s)” or b) “hide from reality”. There are also options like “don’t watch the video but accept that the millions / billions of people who have watched it have described it accurately.”
Did you personally watch the video before coming to that assessment?
Of course not, I’m not going to traumatize myself unnecessarily.
Truly incredible that you’re proud of your ignorance, and blindly sharing your opinions about how people should be acting more moderately: https://lemmy.world/post/42098476/21740923
You’re an embarrassment to yourself.
Not wanting to traumatize myself doesn’t make me ignorant.
Thinking that the only way you can be informed is by traumatizing yourself is the truly ignorant position.
Not wanting to traumatize myself doesn’t make me ignorant.
I actually think it does. Police has been murdering people in US since forever and the only way to realize how bad it is is to actually watch the footage. Reading about it does not paint the whole picture. Seeing how Americans are reacting to the ICE killings makes me think most Americans are ignorant of the police violence in their country. They know police kills people but don’t realize cold blooded executions by law enforcement like that happen every day. They pretend it doesn’t happen and only react when specially extreme case forces them to watch to footage (like in George Floyd case).
I actually think it does.
You’re wrong.
the only way to realize how bad it is is to actually watch the footage
Really? That’s the only way?
Reading about it does not paint the whole picture
Neither does watching a video. The only way to get the whole picture is to go out and get killed yourself. In those seconds while you’re dying you’ll truly understand.
See how stupid that is?
Did you see George Floyd death footage?
You have every right not to watch the video. But opining about other people’s reaction to the video without watching it is unacceptable.
Take your safe-space mindset and opinions about media you haven’t consumed back to Tumblr, please.
But opining about other people’s reaction to the video without watching it is unacceptable.
Thinking that other people might be traumatized by watching someone get murdered is unacceptable? Walk me through your thinking here…
Who would? But it’s real and in our face. Learning how to process is healthy, avoidance is not
You don’t need to “learn to process” to know the truth. You don’t have to personally witness every horrible thing that’s happening.
Knowing and understanding are not equal, just as instruction and guidance aren’t. Processing knowledge helps to bring understanding my friend. I’m not saying you’re wrong; I’m saying not everyone does it like you, and that’s ok
Maybe you process faster; maybe you’re skimming the details to save personal harm. Maybe the way you do things isn’t a hard truth, but samely, doesn’t make your recommendations invalid. I just would personally change my wording from a place of “don’t do it”, to a place of “I wouldn’t, but that’s me”. Otherwise you risk depriving the wisdom of life from others, due to your own personal fears
I didn’t say “Don’t do it”. I said “You don’t have to watch the videos.”.
Don’t look away, thats what they want, its also a sleight to the life of this man to not bear witness.
Watch, be enraged, then engage.
It will hurt your metal health way more to not watch and keep pretending everything is ok.
Don’t look directly into the trauma-causing footage. That’s what they want. It’s no slight to someone’s life not to personally watch them die. What matters isn’t that you personally watch their death from as many angles as you can. What matters is that you tell the truth about what happened. You can do that without obsessing over watching someone die. In fact, if you think that watching someone die is the important thing, you’re dishonouring them by focusing on the wrong thing.
Interesting take on personal trauma. What’s “good”, “bad”, or even “neutral” for mental health is very individualistic. A warning is warranted, but I’d be wary of telling people it’s “not good” to watch it. Maybe not for you, but you are you’re own person
Plenty of adults here who can make that call themselves (proper warning is always welcomed/needed)
Personally, I don’t choose the route of burying my head in the sand so I can savor blissful ignorance. I watch people die regularly IRL and am comfortable with the notion… but what’s wrong is wrong and sometimes people need to understand the reality. If they ain’t up to it, than a proper NSFL warning is good enough to warn them
People ain’t all children, and I respect what you’re trying to say… but if I got executed like that man; I’d want everyone (who was able) to see it for themselves. Especially in an age where false narratives and soft details are the norm
I prefer to see the horror with my own eyes and make my own judgements. I’ve accidentally seen far too much as is, and it only gave me strength after healing
A warning’s good enough, no need to patronize
Can Tetris help?
Here is the video. There is no justification for this shooting.
President gyna neck and v.p. permaliner: “Don’t worry, we’ll just make something up.”
That makes me sick to my stomach.
The sanctity of a human life has lost all meaning if it can be violated so casually without consequences…
This pot’s about to boil over. It won’t be long now…
Frogs sitting in said pot: “this is fine”
Hey man, if I could leap out of the pot, I would…
The ones that leave, have a future.
I can’t find the interview now or remember who it was with because of my brainrot but roughly than six months ago this woman was saying in no uncertain terms things will get progressively darker and more violent. And I’ve thought of that when every one of these moments has arisen. She was speaking more to the need of a parent whose health premiums quadrupled and SNAP benefits were cut having to care for and feed a sick child and what that might do to their anger and willingness to go do something against the elements foisting this upon them, but of course we never can predict what the precise hinge point moments are going to be during turbulent times. We just knew they were coming. And now they are. And will continue.
“And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days. But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.”
Watched video a dozen times looking for a weapon near or on the person shot. Just couldn’t imagine how to justify this otherwise.
I see a water bottle hit the ground early in the video but that’s it. Clear hands and wasteband from what I can see so far.
I’d love to be wrong.
It would’t matter if he was strapped with a .45 brother, that’s a right we have right after speech. They’re in the wrong here, this was MURDER. It was not even an execution. Execution implies you know it’s coming.
It’s like that one video with the cop dropping to the ground doing barrel rolls and shouting shots fired, when an acorn fell and hit the roof of a car.
Bunch of untrained morons.
From what I understand, the water bottle was a mace canister. Some reports were saying the guy was reaching for it to use as a weapon but I don’t see that. It is then kicked away. Also, pay attention to the agent in the gray jacket. He walks up a bit late, and disarms the victim by pulling the (holstered) pistol from his waistband. He then runs away holding the weapon as the victim is shot. Like a dozen times.
Fuck, this has to stop … We’re so damn cooked…
If you tolerate this, then your children will be next.
So if I can shoot rabbits… Then I can shoot fascists?
It’s your duty as a human. Think of it as pest control.
I saw the video, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot! ICE is filled with undisciplined trigger happy racist neo-Nazi losers. Did anyone ID the shitbags?
Brownshirts
Killing ICE Officers now seems like a moral good. They’ll kill you first. Well, they’ll disarm you first, then summarily execute you.
Acting in defense of others is a legitimate defense. When ICE comes to town, people are going to unlawfully die at their hands. Stopping them before they can murder more innocent, unarmed citizens is the civic thing to do.
It is, but actually doing it means a shooting war with the US military. That war may well happen even if we dont go around killing ICE, but letting them start it for no reason at all will mean more support on our side, and better odds.
This doesn’t mean you can’t use force in self-defense, or to stop a massacre, but it does mean that just up and killing them isn’t strategically a good move at this time
actually doing it means a shooting war with the US military.
As opposed to the one-sided shooting-war ICE is already engaged in against the people?
letting them start it for no reason
By the blood in the streets, it looks like they already have
killing them isn’t strategically a good move at this time
Tell that to Renee Good or the guy they just disarmed and executed.
Your point is very valid.
However, personally (and kinda anecdotally), I doubt the US military would EVER side with ICE.
There’s an unspoken heirarchy within those that serve in police, fire, EMD, and military services. Many of them actually have overlapping skill sets and training requirements. Meaning many military end up as officers or EMD’s. Or officers turnover to fire (there’s literal waiting lists to get into fire departments filled with ex-LE officers.)
The point is, this heirarchy is always determined by the amount of training necessary to hold each position. Usually with EMD and Military near the top in terms of total training needed, both physically, mentally, and practically. Below that is police and fire, both requiring weeks or months of training a year, and each placing large and permanant physical and mental demands on those that manage to complete the training. Both groups usually look up with respect to EMD and Military. If not for their training, but more for the fact that EMD’s have saved officer and fire fighter lives many many times. So theirs a respect that runs very deep between all these people who choose such demanding careers.
Especially the ones willing to put themselves through literal hell training just to possibly save lives. I cannot place enough emphasis on the possibly part. Because you have to get used to death in these jobs.
ICE training is less than 47 days.
Few if any in LE or FIRE respect them. Mostly because most ICE are rejected from their programs for failing training. So they are very much seen as a failure to ALL of these groups, placed in the subbasement of this heirarchy at best. Especially by the military, who have far more training requirements, yet now all earn far less than anyone dumb enough to join ICE.
The people who’ve dedicated themselves to just having a chance to save a life, do not respect those that on a whim one month decided to cosplay as someone that’s “protecting” others. They’re an insult to pretty much anyone that actually does the job ICE barely pretends to.
I VERY sincerely doubt anyone in the Military would be willing to protect a group of untrained cosplayers who all very likely failed to learn how to protect themselves. If anything, the human corpses ICE is unnecessarily creating very much frames them as the bad guy to ALL the people whose job it is to actually prevent corpses from happening.
They do not have friends willing to join them. They are nothing but a national embarrassment to anyone that could.
Excellent post. I also believe that when it comes right down to it, the military is NOT going to back Trump’s worst instincts. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if he backed down from his Greenland demands because his own military told him that they would refuse to fire upon our NATO allies.
I want to highlight this:
ICE training is less than 47 days.
ICE training is exactly 47 days. Why? To honor the 47th president. Seriously.
ICE training wasn’t a carefully considered program that happened to last 47 days. Some sycophantic loser CHOSE that number because he knew Daddy would hear about it and be pleased for a few seconds. This is the kind of thinking that is managing our nation.
Keyboard warriors need to shut the fuck up and not instigate more violence. Actual retired military leaders should be coordinating with state governors to plan a organized response.
Do not attack ICE agents. Do not instigate more violence. Let leaders with experience planning guerilla warfare take the lead.
Talking about it online is the dumbest thing you can do.
I don’t disagree with you; but are these actual retired military leaders doing that? How could we even know they’re what you said?
Surely our oppressors will save us
Fuck off fed
Agreed
These updates smh
1113am
Hennepin County Attorney Mary Moriarty said in a statement Saturday morning that her office is working alongside the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension (BCA) to coordinate a state response to Saturday’s shooting.
“The scene must be secured by local law enforcement for the collection and preservation of evidence,” Moriarty said. “We expect the federal government to allow the BCA to process the scene.”
1125am
Federal agents are repeatedly tear-gassing a crowd at Nicollet Avenue and E. 27th Street, deploying the irritant each time residents reappear in the intersection.
Residents are calling agents “Nazis” and chanting that all immigrants are welcome in Minnesota. Meanwhile, several residents are frantically trying to move their parked cars away from the area
Yeah, I feel like throwing tear gas grenades around a place isn’t exactly crime scene preservation best practice
The point is the state is against ICE atm.
These are the “Life is so precious” people. Fucking losers, hypocrites and Nazis. I am up for the firing squad when this ends. We can’t allow such evil to continue. Anyone else with me?
I was for long prison sentences, but those that issued these orders, and those that enthusiastically carried them out, should be executed. These are your fellow citizens, there should NEVER be a situation that you are firing on your own citizens for any reason.
The problem with prison sentences is that the next republican just pardons them and we’re right back here.
Yeah, we’ll have to revisit the whole presidential pardon thing, and prohibit its use to aid cover ups of presidential criminal activity, and make it retroactive. All the Jan 6 Traitors better show up to serve out their sentences, or it’s an additional 10 years, without any parole or good behavior time.
Or we can simply charge them all again for crimes we didn’t charge them with before. They’ve got a deep bench of past criminal activity. And all the J6 Traitors can just be charged with Sedition, and get all new sentences, significantly longer than their first sentences.
I could definitely enjoy seeing them get charged and imprisoned multiple times.
I have no words. I am literally speechless at what is currently happening in the US. I have to force myself to have words and they are all a mixture of vengeance and justice. Like… holly fuck.
There is still a long way to go. A long way to go. But after all this is said and done, if there is an after, I hope you never forget these pieces of shit. I hope you force whomever comes next to hand you these people. They do not deserve jail, they deserve justice as given from the community. They are evil behind comprehension. Seems like you cannot give an inch to the right, as they will let their evilness take over and go after everyone, mercilessly.
I hope there is good work being done on identifying and preserving whoever these evil pieces of shit, motherfuckers, morons, idiots, pedophiles, are. And when this is all done, you fucking drive all of them out of society.
Pieces of shit motherfuckers.
To my American brothers, I am truly sorry for what is happening. I don’t know the right thing to say. I want to motivate you to do what needs to be done, but at the same time, I am fully aware that it is hard.
We gotta bust back at em, make some mothafuckin examples of these assholes
