• Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world
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      Dudes last words were apparently “don’t touch her” to the ice agent that shoved two women to the ground, and then “are you okay?” To one of the women. If that doesn’t scream terrorist I don’t know what does.

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    So all the people supporting this guy are changing their tune on Kyle Rittenhouse showing up armed to defend his community, right?

    Right?

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      I honestly think there’s a really good chance they probably used their privacy violating thermal cameras to scan the crowd and find somebody who was armed. Then they decided to target Alex Pretti (maybe because he was already standing in a fairly isolated area or maybe they lured him there, no idea) and get him involved in the situation with the bystanders they originally seemed to be targeting by herding them towards him. They acted overly aggressive with the two women and when he tried to help them they suddenly seemed to forget all about them and all swarmed Pretti at once before disarming and murdering him.

      To be clear, I’m not saying he was in the wrong in any way for being armed. I’m saying the Trump administration is intentionally agitating then targeting and murdering Americans for exercising their rights.

      Also, completely unrelated, but fuck Kyle Rittenhouse.

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        To be clear, I’m not saying he was in the wrong in any way for being armed.

        I haven’t really heard much about this situation. I’ve seen some videos and it seems incredibly sketch at the very least. It doesn’t appear that he did anything wrong and he was within his rights to be there and was carrying lawfully.

        However that being said… You’re perfectly within your rights to confront an angry bull that’s rampaging through your living room; but when you get gored people will ask why you put yourself in that situation.

        There are no innocents in this situation. Both sides are making bad choice and escalating at every chance they get. Trump could have pulled ICE out and levied sanctions on Minnesota. Waltz could have told everyone to go home, that the fight is not on the streets. ICE could have chose to not shoot. Good could have not obstructed. No one here is making good choices because backing down in the heat of the moment is construed as weakness.

        Everyone needs cooling down, if mother was in charge everyone would be getting a spanking.

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          However that being said… You’re perfectly within your rights to confront an angry bull that’s rampaging through your living room; but when you get gored people will ask why you put yourself in that situation.

          There are no innocents in this situation. Both sides are making bad choice and escalating at every chance they get.

          Quick question, who was in the wrong on January 6th, 2021?

          Second question, if ISIS came into your town and started killing your neighbors, would you be encouraging everybody to just lay low? If somebody was murdered for filming ISIS while they terrorized your town and refused to leave would you ask why they put themselves in that situation?

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            Quick question, who was in the wrong on January 6th, 2021?

            Wow, what is this? You checking my papers to see if you’re allowed to continue the conversation?

            Who was wrong, Trump, DC police, capital police, the protestors that went passed the barriers, certainly every protestor that agressed towards police; and following that, the Biden administration for the way they handled 95% of the prosecution against said protestors.

            if ISIS came into your town and started killing your neighbors, would you be encouraging everybody to just lay low?

            I don’t think the analogy works. ISIS isn’t a legitimate federal law enforcement agency enforcing federal law. If my neighbor went to Iran and got shot by ISIS while protesting, I would think he’s an absolute idiot; but at the same time I would wish it hadn’t happened. If my neighbor illegally entered Iran or overstayed a visa and was rounded up by ISIS and then imprisoned before being deported; I would also think, wow what an absolite idiot, I wish he hadn’t done that; but that’s a very normal occurance for immigration crime worldwide.

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              I don’t think the analogy works. ISIS isn’t a legitimate federal law enforcement agency enforcing federal law.

              ICEis not enforcing any legitimate federal law.

              However, the fact that ICEis a federal agency unlike their cousin ISIS, is reason enough to encourage all protestors to remain nonviolent. Which protestors have continued to do even while ICEis murdering citizens for doing nothing but expressing their first amendment. This is also why I asked my first question (trust me, I’m not in the habit of asking people to show their papers, unlike ICEis)

              If you supported people protesting on Jan. 6th before they stormed the barriers, why do you think people protesting in Minnesota are in the wrong?

              Also, how do you feel about the use of thermal cameras to scan and preemptively target individuals carrying concealed weapons?

              Do you think 10 gunshots, all fired after a suspect has already been disarmed and is no longer a threat, is a bit excessive? Not enough gunshots? Or the goldilocks level of just right number of gunshots?

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                ICEis not enforcing any legitimate federal law.

                I don’t understand this at all. They’re enforcing federal immigration law; and in the situations where theyre interacting with citizens like Good; it’s due to the citizens violating federal law by obstructing their actions; and they absolutely have the authority to detain and arrest people who obstruct their duties.

                If you supported people protesting on Jan. 6th before they stormed the barriers, why do you think people protesting in Minnesota are in the wrong?

                Oh I support Minnesota’s right to protest; however your right to protest does not extend to obstructing official duties of a law enforcement officer. If your protest strategy is flash mobs that intimidate and make the job of working officers more difficult then that protest is not a protected right under the first amendment.

                Also, how do you feel about the use of thermal cameras to scan and preemptively target individuals carrying concealed weapons?

                Smart, but also easily bypassed by anyone whose determined to do so; so maybe it’s kind of useless.

                Do you think 10 gunshots, all fired after a suspect has already been disarmed and is no longer a threat, is a bit excessive? Not enough gunshots? Or the goldilocks level of just right

                Most experts would say that it’s too soon to make judgements about the shooting. There’s more information coming out every minute. I would love to see an independent investigation, but we all know that won’t happen. But yes it seems really botched, really messed up; but back to what I said earlier, there are many many people to blame here. If the shooting was unjustified then absolutely the shooter will carry most of the blame, but everyone is at fault here.

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                  They use the immigration law as a thinly veiled attempt at a disguise, that’s about it.

                  They target anyone that looks remotely non-american, detain them without reason or question, search their property without a warrant and often enough deport them without their due process all while never identifying themselves as federal agents. The Italian mob works in a more official manner than these idiots.

                  And even if they enforce a law, it doesn’t matter if everything they do to enforce it is against the law. They are terrorists that sometimes happen to catch the right people.

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          Both sides are making bad choice and escalating at every chance they get.

          I only see one side doing that - ICE.
          The “other side” is civilians being very restrained, making rest of the world ask Wtf murica?

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            I only see one side doing that - ICE.
            The “other side” is civilians being very restrained, making rest of the world ask Wtf murica?

            Obstructing a federal officer is not de-escalation. If protestors want to park outside a federal building, or go to DC and protest that’s fine. Verbally aggressive flash mobs that stalk ICE vehicles is not a constitutionally protected form of protest.

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      No. For all the right reasons. For all the moral reasons. For all the sane reasons. For all the reasons that you wont admit make the two situations nothing alike. By the way a quick look and this guy has a one month old troll account. I went ahead and blocked it.

          • Cows Look Like Maps@sh.itjust.worksOP
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            I personally interpret it as them stating a fact rather than trying to imply that Biden is somehow as bad as Trump or excuses him.

            Biden continued and expanded the horrible border policies of Trump’s first term. Anybody who has been paying attention to the humanitarian crisis on the southern border is well-aware of this.

            Obviously Trump’s second term is incomparably worse than Biden’s term. The fact that Biden continued to worsten conditions on the border does not excuse or equate to anything from Trump’s current term.

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            Holy shit your reaction to the border patrol lassoing a human immediately went to “I don’t give a fuck” as soon as you heard it happened under your guy?

            Reflect instead of saying fuck you. Your cult maybe not as bad as Trump’s, but it’s still a bad cult.

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    fascinating how the average right-wing position in the US went from “everyone should have a gun” to “whoever walks around armed is clearly a planning a crime” in less than 24 hours just because their party line changed. i think this says a lot about institutional politics in general

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    Unarmed, prone, and surrendered, yet shot to the back of the head. This is murder. That border patrol agent needs to be prosecuted.

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      It’s not ICE that decides who get prosecuted. It’s the cops and lawyers. People should be protesting at their places of work to demand that ICE either they kicked out or face consequences.

      It’s a lot less risky to protest at a lawyer’s office than in the streets getting basted in the face by chemicals.