Some people are slower on the uptake than others.
I wonder which of the 3000 things over the past decade changed their minds.
3000 things? Using the short list? 😆
Yeah, printer ran out of ink, so we could only get the top 3k; HP promised new ink is in the mail.
“I resisted calling it fascism until it was too late and people were dying at the hands of monsters.”
Get fucked. It was fascism when it was George Floyd and it’s fascism now. It’s been a fascism white people were willing to ignore because it didn’t impact them directly for fucking decades, if not a hundred years or more.
Great job joining us in reality.
[Fascism] has been overused to the point of meaninglessness, especially by left-leaning types who call you a fascist if you oppose abortion or affirmative action.
Yeah, this guy can fuck right off.
I’m not sure if I’ve ever heard of Rauch before but this is Bari Weiss level of bullshit. Fuck opinion writers.
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.
Maybe he’s been in opposition of using the term because he’s fucking fascist-lite himself. Fascist with half the calories.
Calling liberals fascists is literally overusing the term to the point of meaninglessness.
Fascists are real and they’re here, and they hate liberals and liberals hate them too. Calling liberals fascists is not going to help the situation.
And if you’re going around making liberals bleed because you disagree with them, then you might wanna look in a mirror because you might be a fascist.
The phase comes from the original Black Panther Party.
Doesn’t change anything I said
Just giving some historical context.
“Don’t overuse the term fascist you’ll make it meaningless and that makes you a fascist!”
Like you people can’t help but be hypocritical in the same damn sentence.
I didn’t say “don’t use the term fascism.” If someone’s a fascist, call them a fascist. And there absolutely are fascists.
But don’t call people who aren’t fascists, fascists, because that makes the the term meaningless. And liberals by definition are not fascists.
Focus on the actual fascists, the far-right and everyone enabling them. Don’t call the opposition fascists just because they’re ineffective, with minorities in both chambers of congress and the supreme court.
What makes you a fascist is advocating for making people bleed just for being liberals.
And you had to willfully butcher everything I said in order to pull such a distorted interpretation out of it so you could make your strawman. And guess what? That’s what fascists do!
Do they hate fascists? They seem to be quite accommodating what with the slow rolling of justice for any infractions and the weakest of resistance to funding any ‘security’ concerns.
But no, calling them fascist wont help.
You seem to be confusing the democratic party leadership and a handful of traitors with every liberal.
Hard to tell the fucking difference. Nice words don’t matter only action matters.
How long until we stop complaining about fascism and actively talk about doing something about it—publicly?
Talk about it in the back of coffee shops, not publicly. That’s how you get the Feds on you.
Lmfao. Worry about yourself.
Only worrying about oneself is part of the reason we are in this mess. I am actually worried for a lot of people currently.
I’m worried about the entire country. You seem to want to let fascism happen. Which is why you try to crush anyone talking out against the government lmfao.
You aren’t doing that tho?
You support Trump.
You’re a fucking idiot. If everyone willing to take direct action talks about it publicly, then before long there won’t be anyone left to take action.
The French Resistance didn’t exactly stand in the middle of a public square telling everyone “We’re the french resistance.”
the feds already have you if you post on lemmy, blusky, or mastodon
And if you talk about what should actually happen then the Secret Service knocks on your door. Still best to do it in private.
When was the US not fascism? Serious question.
Serious answer:
From wiki: “Fascism is characterized by support for a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived interest of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.”
I’m not a historian or anything, but I would say that until trump we haven’t really had anyone you could call a dictator. And saying we had a strong regimentation of society and the economy seems like a stretch with the exception of wartime. You could make a good argument for ww2 era USA under FDR though that also came on the back of the new deal and a relatively progressive thrust in US politics (of course many groups of people were still oppressed and marginalized though), and possibly some parts of US involvement in Vietnam. But I think realistically there are better descriptions of the US government during those times.
This comment is intended not to discount the historic atrocities and abject failings of the US government, but rather to maintain the power of the word fascism and to assert that things are in fact different at this moment, even if they’ve been bad for a lot if people for a long time.
I would say certain white people but they don’t consider me white so maybe that’s why I’ve been freaking out too.
Before the election, WSJ’s presidential nominee highlights had something like “we’ve heard some people say Trump will lead America into fascism but we don’t believe that to actually be true and think this is an exaggeration” or some other bullshit along those lines.
Would love to have the WSJ editorial staff follow up on that if they haven’t already.
their silence today with the atlantic coming forward is extremely embarrassing, along with the nytimes
Only thing I will give NYT credit for is the way they recently put together a bunch of the Renee Good videos, determined they showed (what the rest of us already knew) that the murderer was not in front of the car along with a visual explainer, and put it on the front page. That got the unvarnished visual evidence in front of a lot of people that would otherwise have not seen it.
But that’s just one thing, and they’ve been sanewashing for years. Beyond that, both the WSJ and the NYT is a big part of the reason we’re here. Maybe if they hadn’t worked so hard at bothsidesing insanity and lies they would not have lent such a helping hand to the speedrun into fascism that was 47ths first year.
And because you didnt have the spine to say when it could have made a difference, we are here.
It was fascism this time 12 months ago when Trump had women and people of colors plaques and images covered at national museums and at nasa.
When they banned words from research. Like: women. Female. Bias, transgender, equality. Privilege.
When they prosecuted women as murderers for having a safe first trimester termination of pregnancy.
When they started demanding a woman must die before any medical procedures would be performed that could harm a fetus, even if that fetus was dead or non viable.
When they removed black veterans stories from the VA websites and other government websites.
When they changed the dod to the department of war.
My gawd. This all started a year ago. It was fascism then.
Maybe the mainstream will finally reach consensus on the label just as the last reporters are being onboarded at gunpoint to concentration camp trains.
Lots of corporations in Germany and more broadly supported the Nazis right up until there was significant power mounted in opposition to Hitler. Our media is captured by these ghouls, so I don’t honestly know how long it will go. Maybe until the power shifts.
Fascism is profitable for corporations, of course they like it. German companies had literal slave labor to work for them, that’s so much savings on labor costs.
If Trump manages to jack up inflation a few more tens of percent, the federal minimum wage may as well be slave wages.
It was fascism in 2016 when he promised to ban people from entering the US based on religion.
It was clearly fascism when Project 2025 was leaked.
It wasn’t leaked. The people who made it made a website and publicly posted it. They announced their fascist agenda and still people ignored it
Shocked. I am shocked. Shocked I tell you.
Sure, all of that is true.
Why would you (not you, daannii, the general ‘you’) want to alienate an ally by rubbing that in their face?
You get a little emotional boost by feeling self-righteous in exchange for helping splinter the enemies of Fascism.
Welcome converts, don’t spit on them.
I’d like to take this opportunity to express the profoundly tragic failure of Democrats to mount any kind of meaningful opposition to this fascist project, that has been underway since at least the Reagan administration.
They just voted to fund ICE. Again.
They’re not failing at anything. A significant amount of them are just quietly complicit.
Also the fact that Donny got off for January 6th still blows my fucking mind.
That’s because they’re fine with fascism too. This isn’t a fight between parties. It’s a fight between the rich owner class and everyone else.
Well, welcome to the party, I guess.
Even if, as I put it in my other reply to a similarly limp dicked Atlantic article, you’re so late to the party that the caterers that were hired for it were deported by ICE months ago.
Stuff like this is why I unsubscribed. Just respectability politics.
Peak The Atlantic article
I’m pretty sure it was The Atlantic where I saw an article sanewashing Donvict being so weirdly thirsty for Greenland.
I mean…what the fuck?
I’m reminded of that smarmy dickhead that wrote “Liberal Fascism” that was about mansplaining how it was really the liberals that were the fascists.
Every conservative spent a lot of time telling me I simply must read this book.
Then there was Tucker, who said he’d have to blame liberals if he were to later support fascism because, really, what choice did he have? People kept calling him a fascist, the poor dear! And insisting that people Tucker doesn’t value have rights!
Yeah, that’s fucked. Liberals aren’t fascist, they’re just fascist enablers.
So the United States, once the world’s exemplary liberal democracy, is now a hybrid state combining a fascist leader and a liberal Constitution; but no, it has not fallen to fascism. And it will not.
Well that’s alright then. I almost thought the Atlantic was becoming less useless for a second there
“I declare it”
Fucking ridiculous. “Hitler is a Nazi, but Germany isnt Nazi!”
If they keep plugging their ears it can’t be true!
The Atlantic is the worst
I’m glad you got there eventually. Keep listening closely to the people who told you this years ago, they are clearly more perceptive than you.
This is the best response.
It was literally fucking YEARS of me dealing with variations of “he’s not a fascist! He’s just an impotent wannabe dictator, we’ll be fine. You’re overreacting!” from acquaintances and family. Not friends, I don’t have friends that stupid.
I will stand arm in arm with every person who mocked me for “being a worrier”, not just because it’s the only way out of this, but because it’s the best way, maybe the only way, to build a better future.
With that having been said, I hope each and every one of them gets a terrible case of genital lice at some point in their lives.
An impotent wannabe dictator is a fascist lmaoooo. That is some wild level of cope. “ he is not a fascist. He is just a fascist light. It will be fine.”
Once we give the impotent wanna be dictator, a little more power it will be fine! If I didn’t know people, I wouldn’t think this was real
