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Today the first of Feb is Global Switch day, Spread awareness of the Fediverse in your communities.
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Is there a voyager equivalent for piefed?
Last I heard voyager has experimental support for piefed, and that was several months ago. Don’t know how it’s going.
TikTok -> driving rusty nails through your nipples
Tiktok -> tiktok with less content and login required unless you like the 10 videos we have chosen for you.
I checked out Loops again last week, it’s alright but needs more content. I think it’ll get there if it keeps chugging along as it’s been doing.
It’s still in Beta.
Content volume will increase over time but requiring login killed it for me.
Heck they’re even mimicking tiktok login begging techniques
I haven’t checked it recently because it isn’t my content consumption format, but has it really gotten better. If more people join I would really like to recommend it to people like my spouse… But as it was when I tried it, shed nope right out of there.
What I liked was if you shared a loop, they could view it without having an account, but I couldn’t view a tiktok when she tried sending me one say last year
Indeed the TikTok login wall is frustrating
Crosspost from: !Fedibridge@lemmy.dbzer0.com ( A community for growing the Fediverse )
And also don’t forget to donate to your devs!
And instance admins!
What’s the difference between Piefed and Lemmy?
They are similar platforms and they federate, i.e. you can see all Lemmy content with a Piefed account and vice versa.
piefed isn’t made by tankies
wait are you sure? there was a lemmy admin talking about how the software is authoritarian and has a “social credit score” that sounds like what a tankie would put in
You mean the lemmy.ml admin? The tankie one trying to deflect and make PieFed out to be the bad guy?
No this person: https://feddit.dk/u/SorteKanin
I think I understand now and it is clear I need to make a new account on piefed
I wonder if they mean the genocide-denying lemmy admin or the transphobic lemmy admin. It’s easy to mix those two guys up
Excuse me that’s transphobic and covid denying.
Oh boy oh boy, I think I’m about to receive a fun link with more Nutomic bad takes
Piefed has two user rating systems. Your attitude, which is public, and allows people to see what your ratio of up votes to down votes is. The other being reputation, which is generally reserved for administration and moderation iirc. Which is an accumulation of how other people upvote and downvote you. Basically the sort of thing anyone could get just by looking at the public information just condensed all in one spot.
Anyone calling it social credit score is being disingenuous. The most controversial feature it has is its content filtering system, which is disabled by default.
It’s made by feds.
Piefed has quite a few features that Lemmy doesn’t have:
- multicommunities
- onboarding process asking new joiners what they are into
- crossposts comments consolidation
- communities moderation features
- posts and user flairs
- keyword filters
https://join.piefed.social/features/
Lemmy should get there in version 1.0, but they still don’t have any precise timeframe for that release, and still need to do some testing https://lemmy.ml/comment/23570258
You might see a few people discrediting Piefed for some optional filters it offers, but all of those filters are configurable by admins and disabled by default: https://piefed.zip/c/fediverse/p/1005977/piefed-admin-settings-that-allow-to-enable-or-disable-content-filters-they-are-disabled-by
How can I pick which piefed server doesn’t have the social credit score enabled?
I recommend MULTIVERSE, the anarcho-antirealist PieFed server. We have a karma system the same as Reddit, which you’re used to, and we don’t do any extra processing of the score. Some PieFed sites ignore karma earned on meme communities to prevent repost farming, but on MULTIVERSE, we just look at upvotes - downvotes, and unlike Reddit, your karma score means absolutely nothing for your ability to post on communities.
Piefed seens to have a lot of issues baked into the code
Create a PR and fix it.
Lol, why? I don’t use Piefed and besides, I work on my own open source project.
But seriously, why would I contribute to a project I don’t use and have no association with?
Because it would address what you talk about above. You dont like it, fix it. Ive done it on quite a few fedi services, its not terribly hard. It makes the world just a tiny bit better.
The fact these filters exist in the first place are not a good sign. When Microsoft introduces new shitware that is “disabled by default” people are skeptical that it might not be disabled for long, but when a fediverse dev does it to block content they personally don’t like it’s fine? This goes against the entire concept of the fediverse imho. Just block people you don’t like yourself
It goes against your concept of the Fediverse. You are just as much trying to force your personal preference on others with this argument of slippery slope of Microsoft nonsense.
I think it is great if different instances have different profiles that cater to different audience instead of everything just being the same with different domain names. If it is all the same it may as well be a single instance and the entire point of federating is lost.
it’s Python. It’s foss.
I’ve removed code I didn’t want in mine. (A feature I later re enabled).
If I want to add code, I do so. Or I remove code.
Microsoft is closed, and they are leveraging tons of cash to manipulate. Try turning off updates on a windows 11 machine… Is it just a toggle? What if Microsoft removes the option or requires… oh wait closed source and they already did.
All piefed has been doing is giving options.
Blame admins if you like but be honest about your intentions instead of this campism.
Masto and other fedi services give options of blanket blocks or filters, so arguing entire concept of fedi is nonsense.
Microsoft does not operate on a federated model.
The Piefed devs have no way to change the configuration of other instances.
if only there was a way for devs to distribute changes to the software they made
If you believe that the Piefed devs would get away with overriding the configuration of other instances with an update, that’s not realistic.
Most of the Piefed users (myself included) would leave immediately.
What our experience is is the opposite: the Piefed dev team is always receptive to feedback, and improves the software based on this constantly.
It took 2 days for a PR to go though on piefed. It was a great experience.
Reading the code is VERY easy, even compared to other projects. I was able to get it up and running in about 30 mins with very little knowledge of the project. The “filters” are all optional on the admin side and instances can and have modified them to suit their needs.
Congrats @rimu@piefed.social ! Your project has gained “controversy”, the main way you can tell its getting successful 😁.
https://join.piefed.social/features/
And it’s not being developed by tankies.
Piefed provides sections or slices of the fediverse and often is incorporated with mastodon, whereas Lemmy is a much bigger aspect of the overall fediverse. While everyone is entitled to their option how they approach certain topics, Lemmy’s devs have a huge impact on federation protocols, moderation norms, and general user experience across the fediverse!
PieFed updates faster, is responsive to suggestions and user concerns, has way more features such as polls, topics (groups of communities that can be made by users, helps to browse all comms related to a topic) automated posts, it combines cross-post comments into 1 page, etc.
And the Lemmy devs are transphobes, genocide deniers, support Russia invading Ukraine, etc. so there’s an ethical component to people not supporting it through using it.
Because I’m sure “they’ll” come and rage here once they see this post I’ll pre-empt it and say the dev for PieFed is not perfect, no one is, and they’ve got some code around minimising meme images and 4chan content based on their personal preferences, but that stuffs all optional and can be turned on or off by the instance admins.
All the people upvote you, it’s only “them” who downvote you. You have a clear picture of the world around you!
I said nothing about votes.
I’m talking about the hatejerk comm where they brigaded from the last time this image was posted and spammed it with misinformation.
Ew gross, fuck tankies. I’m really confused so both lemmy and piefed are tankie-adjacent?
No, only Lemmy.
piefed has an opinionated dev reimplementing karma and filters for content they don’t like right into the application
I was thinking of giving piefed a shot. Any further reading on this?
I don’t think there’s a writeup, but I can search for explanations later, I’m kind of on the go rn. These filters are technically optional, it’s just another piece of trust you have to hand over to your instance admin and hope they don’t turn them on. Also you have to trust that these optional filters are the only ones, and that there won’t be any hidden filters.
If you wanna give it a shot then by all means go ahead, but I personally feel very uneasy knowing these exist and the dev is willing to implement algorithms to punish people who post “bad content” in their eyes
Lemmy also has filters, you have to have the same ‘trust’ that admins don’t add words to them.
Lemmy intransparently punishes users for using reaction GIFs, writing “this” comments and punches communities for having the words "meme’ or “shitpost” in the title? that’s crazy
All of these things can be turned off, moreover, the “punches communities” specifically refers to the mass federation tool that instance admins can use that has had a lot of terms removed.
check out this comment
The original version of this has Lemmy on there. Why replace with piefed? Could have added instead of replaced.
I’ve tried to promote Lemmy on Reddit in the past, only to be met with people complaining about the really old UI and bad UX, they also complain about tankies.
PieFed doesn’t have that bad rep, so I’ve found it easier to promote, both lead to the Fedivers so either is a win.
If I make posts promoting Lemmy on reddit it gets a lot of criticism in the comments becose of the above reasons, so I promote PieFed instead.
Link to a Photon Frontend then?
The Fediverse’s biggest onboarding problem is having too many choices that seem important but don’t really matter. Namely, which instance to sign up on. Listing two different platforms that do the same thing and even federate with each other would only make it worse. I’m guessing that’s why they only listed one.
As for why choose one over the other, I don’t have a horse in this race, I’m sure they had their reasons.
Except it does matter which instance you choose because they choose to defederate with other instances, it may be an instance run by one person who disappears, on a huge instance that collapses, etc.
There’s not really a way to migrate totally, AFAIK, so if you choose wrong, you start over. This has been my actual user experience. Kbin was my first choice because of UI and mastodon integration. That instance died when the Dev disappeared. Then I moved to lemm.ee thinking that a large instance surely would stay up. It didn’t.
So “it doesn’t matter” which instance you choose. Except it also kind of does.
Yeah, you’re right, and that sucks. Mastodon is much better at this.
I mean, the way to use Lemmy/Piefed is to have multiple accounts. You don’t need to “migrate” anything, just start using it.
I do see this tendency from people coming from reddit to kind of fetishize the “status” of their accounts and try to preserve everything they’ve ever said as if anyone cares, but that seems both unhealthy and unrealistic. Nobody is digging through your posts from 6 months ago for content, and no one will care that you haven’t reposted all your passing thoughts to a new instance.
If you look at the users who are active across multiple accounts, they’re recognizable without worrying about what instance they’re on. Like I have no idea what instances Stamets or cm0002 or whatever are using at the moment or how many of their posts exist where and I don’t really care. I read my current feed, comment a little, post once in a while, and it seems like that’s what most people do.
Do you walk around with a tape recorder meticulously archiving every spoken conversation you have in real life? Would such a thing make your interactions more significant? Just keep that shit in your brain and the collective memory of interactions with others and get on with your life.
I don’t care about some karma number, but yeah, I definitely like to see some conversations I’ve had, or things I’ve upvoted because I maybe would like to share them later in a conversation.
So yeah, I like having the record for me.
We were also talking about getting more people on the platform and you are basically showing exactly why others hate this place. My criticism is valid and something a normal person would notice. You came in and wrote a small diatribe about… Not what I was talking about.
No, I don’t obsessively go over everything I’ve ever said. But I sure do sometimes want to revisit, rethink and repost things.
I literally use Piefed every single day and am enthusiastic about the growth of the Fediverse. If it can’t even take internal criticism from regular users with a vested interest it isn’t ready for outside interest.
As someone who’s trying to regularly promote the Threadiverse on Reddit, most of the potential new joiners are already overwhelmed with having to choose an instance, so adding another choice between two platforms will just stop them even earlier.
Regarding the choice of Piefed, it has quite a few features that Lemmy doesn’t have:
- multicommunities
- onboarding process asking new joiners what they are into
- crossposts comments consolidation
- communities moderation features
- posts and user flairs
- keyword filters
https://join.piefed.social/features/
Lemmy should get there in version 1.0, but they still don’t have any precise timeframe for that release, and still need to do some testing https://lemmy.ml/comment/23570258
You might see a few people discrediting Piefed for some optional filters it offers, but all of those filters are configurable by admins and disabled by default: https://piefed.zip/c/fediverse/p/1005977/piefed-admin-settings-that-allow-to-enable-or-disable-content-filters-they-are-disabled-by
FTFY
I’ve tried to promote Lemmy on Reddit in the past, only to be met with people complaining about the really old UI and bad UX, they also complain about tankies.
PieFed doesn’t have that bad rep, so I’ve found it easier to promote, both lead to the Fedivers so either is a win.
“Complain about tankies” it’s the same fediverse… With the same content…
Sure but PieFed doesn’t seem to have a tankie problem. They’re blocked from what I’ve seen.
Even if that wasn’t the case, PieFed doesn’t have a reputation for having a tankie problem.
The bottom line is when I promote PieFed I don’t get people on reddit telling me the UI sucked and that it’s flooded with pro-russia propaganda.
So I find it more efficient to promote PieFed
Anyone can instance can defederate from any other instance in Lemmy, not that hard to understand.
I agree, and I think it’s a shame it has gotten to this point, but I understand his viewpoint completely and have seen the interactions myself. At this point it’s simply more efficient to promote Piefed on Reddit instead of Lemmy, because you want the absolute least amount of friction for potential new users. Literally any single minor inconvenience/negative thing will cause people to not even consider trying it out. Lemmy has unfortunately already accumulated a reputation, and if you promote it you are very likely to run into comments about tankies which is typically enough to scare potential new users away.
At the end of the day it shouldn’t matter to us which software people use, as long as we get more new users into the ecosystem.
PieFed has its own share of dodgy stuff:
UX/UI are only as bad as the client is. For me, Lemmy is indistinguishable from reddit (if you don’t look at numbers of comments), because I use Lemmy Sync, as I used Reddit Sync before
i recommend trying out thunder, I just switched from sync.
It’s foss and actively developed
I used Lemmy for months, mostly in the browser and my UX was absolutely horrible.
The default browser UI sucks.
I had to try many different settings and eventually through a lot of effort found the Photon UI, which is nice.
The vast majority of users just won’t go through that effort. PieFed’s default UI is quite clean and modern and much nicer to use, which is why I promote it instead
Okay then recommend Lemmy with PhotonUI?
I honestly use the Voyager web client in my desktop PC, it works pretty well.
In what ways does the Lemmy UI suck? I would appreciate feedback in order to improve it. For what its worth I only use the default UI on desktop and mobile, and like it a lot.
I’m checking in with voyager here, and I came from the reddit Apollo app and I feel the same.
It was practically seamless, though I’ve considered switching to try out other clients.
Tried Piefed and find it clunky with my current level of familiarity
I hear that, but the thing is anyone can block whatever/whoever they feel the need to in the fediverse. I truly believe server admins should federate across the board, as it’s a disservice to end users only allowing federation with certain servers based on admin preference.
As far as UI and UX go, Lemmy’s devs are some of the biggest players in the overall fediverse functionality. So while the UI/UX could use some more attention in select areas, being able to interact with the other platforms is a much bigger aspect to the appeal of the fediverse! The Lemmy devs really do deserve a lot more credit for their work, regardless on their opinions or how
thethey approach discussing them.Lemmy doesn’t truly block stuff and the devs refuse to fix that
Really? Huh, I have a decent amount of communities blocked and I’ve never seen a single post from anyone of them after implementing the block
User level community and instance blocks will stop you from seeing posts from those places, but it does not block their users or their comments, so you’d still be able to see them around in non-blocked communities.
I’m 1 foot out of Reddit
Since your Lemmy account is only 3 days old, I would recommend switching over to PieFed. It’s a much nicer experience and federates with all the same servers that Lemmy does, so you’re seeing the same posts but in a better way. You’re on lemmy.zip, and the same devs run piefed.zip.
With a little curation of your community subscriptions, you can get a very similar experience to Reddit but better.
What do you prefer about piefed? Lemmy seems perfect to me.
I like the interface more than the Lemmy interface, but it also has a number of cool features that Lemmy doesn’t have. And the update schedule is crazy good. PieFed 1.5 has only been out about 3 weeks, and the dev just released 1.6 today with more features, updates, and fixes.
Not to mention that there is some… questionable… behavior by the Lemmy devs. While the PieFed dev may not be perfect, he doesn’t have the baggage the Lemmy devs do, and I feel better using the PieFed software. It all connects to the same stuff.
Welcome!
All due respect to Mastodon but BlueSky is way more viable right now.
On Wafrn you can see and interact with posts on Wafrn, Mastodon, Misskey, and Bluesky.
What about streaming?
Peertube or Owncast
“But if you have a shitty attitude stay where you are”
Is peer tube any good ?
There are some good youtube mirrors on peertube though and the videos can be downloaded. Also no youtube censorship! I bet you can find some good movies like in the old age of youtube
Hello and thank you for making the post! I just joined from reddit and have some questions. I really want to avoid some of the tankies I heard about it on the redditalternative posts.
One of the lemmy servers recommended had this admin and he made this comment recently about piefed
I feel like [PieFed] moving from moderation to sort of oppressive or authoritarian territory once you’re literally building a social credit system into your software. If you want that, sure use PieFed. I don’t want that, so I won’t.
So is PieFed the tankie software or what? I dont’ really want to use software that is going to build a social credit score on me or build barriers to actually use the site
By “social credit” system, they’re referring to the fact that Piefed has a reputation and attitude system. “Reputation” is a bit like reddit - a downvote contributes negatively to it, an upvote positively. Accounts heavily downvoted will have negative warning signs on them (although the CCS here can be disabled by instance moderators who dislike it) so users can’t see it. And users looking at a profile on piefed can only see accounts negatively downvoted, not accounts with high reputation - so it’s not “karma” in the sense of Reddit.
“Attitude” refers to downvotes given. If you mass downvote, you’ll get a very bad attitude and this is measured in percentage form for users. If you bulk downvote, and get a very low attitude - you’ll be blocked from downvoting.
Thank you for explaining clearly someone is trying to put a lot of misinformation out there
Note, I’ve now seen you make this comment four times now on a brand new account - so my response here is meant in good faith.
No they’re a 100% real user who despite only joining 35 minutes ago knows all about a 2 day old post.
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