Roku was experimenting with similar stuff so I refuse to connect my Roku tv to WiFi. Will never update it
Ya, they’ve been getting bad press for a while now. Will never own one of those.
The TVs aren’t a bad value. Gotta get back the the jailbreaking days. If someone released a custom firmware for my Roku tv that made it dumb I would use it.
Are they adding this shit to cars that didn’t do that already?
Uncle Teddy would definitely not approve of this.
Nor cousin luigi…
Something something stallmanwasright.
Stellantis, the parent company of Jeep, Dodge, Chrysler, and Ram,
Not just a Jeep thing. at least not for long.
Holy cow. They’ve done the impossible - they’ve found a way to make a Dodge into a shittier vehicle. I am awestruck.
All the brands of vehicle that have some of the worst historical reliability!
Jeep is a Stellantis product. Literally the worst quality auto manufacturer in North America. They are circling the drain and jacking up the prices on their vehicles and making Pikachu faces when they don’t sell. Their only customers are people who don’t know how to research their purchases, and putting advertisement hell into their cars is another example of that. I suspect they will not be in business a decade from now.
I work in the auto industry. Can confirm, Stellantis is in bad shape. I wouldn’t buy anything from them.
Out of curiosity, who would you buy from?
Out of the American big three, I have the most confidence in Ford. I’ve worked with engineers at all three, and the ones at Ford are the ones that I felt were most compitent.
That being said, my next car will probably be a Toyota or a Subaru. Both way better than the American OEMs.
What’s confusing is that some great auto brands from Europe are under Stellantis (Peugeot and Citroen at least)
And they’re actually not doing a shitty job in designing or selling their vehicles. It’s mainly the Chrysler brands or basically the US brands under Stellantis. I seriously hope the shit happening in Chrysler doesn’t come trickling down to the other brands
Turns out regulations are good for businesses.
They’re good for longevity, but they’re bad for quarterly profits. In the US, we care much more for the latter.
Regulations are definitely excellent for both businesses and consumers in the long term. But businesses are often too stupid to see past ANYTHING “quarterly”.
That depends on the business culture and how good their advisors are. And also the size if the business matter.
But yeah generally angelosaxton companies who have a mangement structure that’s way more in depth than it needs to be fuck these things over
“Either the Line Goes Up or the Rope Goes Up” - evil CEOs everywhere
Peugeot and Citroën have their own issues in Europe (and technically in America) with the recall of car due to defective airbags.
I had two Jeeps, first was originally my dad’s. It was an old shitbox. The other one was a somewhat old shitbox. 1998 & 2010. We dumped more time and money into them than I’d care to admit.
Jeep Renegade is a rebadged Fiat 500L.
It’ll be less than a decade
Absolutely fucking not.
Though it does sound like a good kicker for the after market systems to make a comeback.
Custom flashes are probably more likely given the system integration of the head unit. UBlock for your car. How crazy is that?
Not a chance. The new ‘infotainment’ clusters integrate necessary features like climate control to prevent aftermarket replacements in most vehicles. I honestly don’t know if any manufacturers even use the single and double DIN standards anymore.
Mazda is supposedly one of the last major automakers that has mostly physical controls in their cars. Definitely at the top of my list for any future car purchases.
I highly recommend Mazda if this is something you care about. I had a 2016 Mazda 3, and now I have a 2022 Mazda 3. The infotainment is all controlled though a physical knob and buttons, the climate control is all physical buttons. I am not sure if the screen is even a touch screen… I don’t think it is, but I have never attempted to touch it since I was so used to using the physical knob system in my old 2016. The physical buttons are why I picked my current 3 turbo up over the WRX I also tested. The WRX and the other Subaru’s I checked out all annoyed me with forcing use of the touch screen snd buttons to change the climate settings. I hope Mazda never changes that aspect of their cars. Not sure if the other models also do this, but I don’t see why they would.
I have a 2015 Mazda 3 with 200,000 miles on it. I’ve spent $80 on repairs. An oil pressure sensor. It’s a fantastic vehicle.
Also, the climate control is all on smaller screen that just displays info with the climate system. The infotainment has nothing to do with the climate controls.
My 2018 Chev Trax may be the perfect level of tech for my tastes. Climate stuff is all physical, but it has a nice screen that you can hook a phone to through a USB or Bluetooth to pass maps/audio/calls through it with the audio and calls being controllable by buttons on the wheel.
The only actual car operation buttons on the screen are things you wouldn’t do when driving anyhow like decide if it locks automatically or setting the default volume.
Most obnoxious thing it does is keep reminding me that the sat radio subscription is expired when I start it.
Part of me is annoyed that I didn’t get a Mazda 3 when I got my car back in 2023, I got a 2021 Seat Leon FR PHEV Hatchback.
I like the Leon, but it has so much touch controls.
The worst is the controls for the fog lights, heated rear window and defrost.
They are all located on a small touch panel to the right of the steering wheel, it is also angled down making it harder to see.
So if I am driving and the windows start to fog up I need to take my eyes off the road and aim my finger to touch the correct button without touching any other controls as I might be blinding other drivers.
It is a terrible design.
The AC and battery management screens are all under different submenus on the infotainment screen.
The rest of the car is great though, and so far i have not seen any ads on the screen.
My 2023 Mazda has a touch screen but you never actually have to touch it. In fact, they put it far enough away that it is difficult to touch while driving and disable the touch when the car is moving. There are knobs and buttons in-between the front seats that control it. Also none of the important stuff is controlled through the infotainment system, it is just settings, satnav, and radio (or Android Auto/carplay). Not having to interact with a touch surface while driving is one of my favorite features of my car, and there are a lot of other things that I love about it too.
Mazda has been flying under the radar doing things right for a long time, in my experience.
I’m currently driving a 2012 Mazda3 that we bought new 13 years ago. It has been completely reliable while our 2013 Honda has needed some repairs. It is fuel efficient (40mg hwy), and it is still fun to drive. In the automatic transmission’s manual-shift mode the shift lever goes in the correct direction for driving dynamics (pull back to upshift, forward to downshift). In the normal automatic drive mode it seems to use an accelerometer to downshift when braking downhill.
My very first car was a mazda MX-6 from the late 80s with a 5-speed manual transmission. I bought it with 180,000 miles as a cheap junk “first car” and drove it for another 40,000 miles over the next few years. It needed some repairs, of course, but it was fun to drive and did a great job getting me around the state while I was in the late college to early independent adult years.
Now I’m middle aged and my drive to work is just a few miles via quiet twisty country road. I think I’m gonna get an MX-5 Miata next. 6-speed and soft top. That sounds nice.
For years I thought a fast dual motor EV sport sedan would be my next vehicle (whatever the non-Tesla model 3 performance equivalent would be) but a roadster would probably make it more fun to get up and leave the house. Plus so much cheaper and, given the small amount of miles I drive, probably more environmentally friendly. It would definitely generate a lot less microplastic pollution form the weight difference alone.
The Chinese won’t be stopped by that. CANBUS integration controlled by a poorly designed app coming to your (2-3 versions old) Android head unit!
Despite no longer sticking to the DIN standard, and climate controls being integrated into the infotainment system, there still exists a big market for aftermarket infotaiment systems, they just have to be engineered for the specific make of car you have. But they can be bought for most cars that have infotaiment systems that are now outdated
I haven’t replaced a head unit in years, but I’m not surprised the proprietary systems require custom components for replacement. I can’t count the amount of head units I’ve replaced with my own ‘custom’ wire harness to save the $15 it cost for the Metra adapter. Lol
Old cars are gonna be so expensive.
I wonder how hard it would be to make an open source car brain that can be a drop-in replacement for the commercial ones?
Hard, even stuff from 10 years ago have proaitary hardware across multiple “brains”.
I drive a 2006. I have physical buttons and a shifter where my hand can lean on. Its great. lol
I think anything 2008 and before is kinda a sweet spot for car driving quality. After the subprime crisis its like all the car makers went to shit.
Who do they think owns the Jeeps?
How to get me to not buy a Jeep and to hate anyone pushing these ads (Mopar) in one simple act.
I completely crossed off all GM cars due to lack of CarPlay. I am boycotting Tesla. I don’t trust BMW because they tried to make heated seats a subscription. Now Jeep and Stellantis?
Mercedes also includes a number of items as a subscription in some countries. Some stuff is app related. Others are things like getting full use of your rear-steering wheels and unlocking extra horsepower.
To be honest, I would just get an old car and fit a tablet into it
I’m on year 9 of my 10 year car plan. Current vehicle is supposed to become the kidmobile and I planned on a new one.
I won’t buy a new car though. If I do replace mine, it will be a used, unconnected car. I am so tired of iPads on wheels.
my 2008 BMW is the last without a computer screen and none of that stupid knob and I had to seek it out but it was absolutely worth it. Bonus that I can actually work on the car my self!
I think cars peaked ca. 2010. Anything added after that are annoyances or things being taken away.
If I could get a brand new facelift E90, that would probably be my next car.
Japanese manufacturers are not perfect but seem to be the least interested in doing this kind of anti-consumer nonsense, at least for now. I have been happy with every Mazda I’ve owned in the last decade (3 in total) for what it’s worth.
Yup, Toyota has been solid for me. Though admittedly, they’re also one of the worst in regards to data privacy; You should assume that every single thing you do in a Toyota is being recorded and sent back to a Toyota server for ad/tracking purposes.
Lol what? Ur car got internet?
Just pull the OnStar /gps fuseMost cars have a SIM card with a very basic data/phone service. In many jurisdictions, it’s a legal requirement for cars to have a button to call emergency services, so they need phone connectivity for that. It’s also used for software updates, map updates, and of course, data collection.
Holy crap I feel old now. Since when? I’m still driving a car without a touch screen, and that’s never going to change.
I’m not sure how long.
My older car (2012 Mazda 3) didn’t have a touch screen. I replaced the radio with a touch screen Pioneer one that supports Android Auto. I’d definitely recommend doing that! It’s nice having Google Maps on an older car. The third-party radios tend to be better than the OEM ones (they have to be, otherwise nobody would buy them) and I don’t think Pioneer does data collection of any sort.
I just wish Mazda had a good EV. Their EVs just aren’t that good at the moment. I leased a BMW iX a few months ago, but my old car (which I still have) is a 2012 Mazda 3. Love the EV experience and I don’t think I’ll buy a gas powered car ever again.
Toyotas are still good
I am still awaiting my first map update to my nav system that has free lifetime map updates, my truck will be 10 this year.
Toyota Sales here Boy do I have some BMW Heated seat subscription crap to sell you
(Its not quite as bad as BMW. But one thing that really irks customers is the remote starter is restricted to a subscription service. unless you’re one of the lucky ones who got a vehicle that installed the wrong part/fuses. in which case you can still remote start your car with the fob. its still very finnicky)
Something to consider…
Elon may be going down a conservative rabbit hole these days, but this is the sort of thing Tesla would never ever ever do. And things like using the telematic system to sell your location and speed to insurance companies. Never happened on a Tesla. You may not like the guy, but the cars are fucking solid.
Oh, he’s just going down a rabbit hole! He’s going on a cute little adventure where he does a fucking Nazi salute in front of the whole country, then proceeds to recklessly dismantle huge parts of the US government, but it’s all just part of his magical little journey! Teehee!
then proceeds to recklessly dismantle
huge parts ofthe US governmentJust give him a few more weeks.
Tesla? You mean the Ford Pinto of EVs?? https://www.rawstory.com/cybertruck-2671127676/
Tesla’s have their own privacy issues, and build quality issues . Tesla’s staff have been caught spying on their customers and sharing sensitive images of people .
That practice was halted and now the vehicle video is under MUCH stricter control with an option to not share any of it at all.
Given the choice, I’d rather have some Tesla employee joking about what I park next to than Tesla Inc selling my driving data to insurance companies like most other automakers do…Believing any of that means trusting President Elon Musk. I certainly don’t
Rainbow road mode is a bitch
Doesn’t Tesla lock larger battery capacity begging a paywall?
the cars are fucking solid.
Try driving through a car wash without activating “car wash mode”. 😂
Now people will even more inclined to not stop when needed…
Anyone know any brand that doesn’t pull this kind of shit in their cars?
A bicyce at this point.
And the best part is you probably have local anarchists who want to help you learn to maintain it
I bought a 2025 Kia Sportage before the new Trumpflation taxes went into effect. No ads at all. I would have been pretty damn mad to see ads. Weird that Jeep has decided to self destruct.
Self-destructing is their key feature.
1999 Honda Civic.
Sorry honey, I had to crash the Honda.
Who’s chopper is this?
It’s Zed’s.
Who’s Zed?
Zed’s dead, baby.
Anything made before ~2015. You have a lot of great cars to choose from.
Hey, you might want to team up with Sony…
Wasnt there also something about showing ads while your show is paused now too?
I’m ready to go back to kodi.
Happens on Prime now
Depending on how long you were gone, don’t get real debrid btw.
What happened to real-debrid?
DRINK VERIFICATION CAN!
Roll verification coal to continue
FTFY
Is this real?? Do you have the source?
I’m lost for words.
…what if the whole family is watching? Does everyone have to raise their hands and yell “McDonalds”? Including the kids?
This might just as well be used in “smart” fridges. “Do this corporate dance to get 20% off your next Corn Flakes”
There’s just no way I’m ever going to do this.
Honestly, I’d rather go forage for twigs and berries than interact with ads.
I haven’t seen an ad in like 15 years or so (at home) and i already find them incredibly dystopian and weird. I don’t really understand how people put up with that right now, but it kind of tells me that they would actually do the laola wave and yell pepsi at their screen. I found my old VHS collection the other day and watched karate kid that i recorded as a child. I think it had 2 ad breaks who were really short, and back then we thought that it’s getting a bit much with the ads.
You raise a good point.
I’m much the same in that I just refuse to watch anything with ads. They really are dystopian and weird.
I also get that same feeling when I see someone just grinding through youtube ads, but people that do that just don’t seem to have any awareness of the interaction - it’s just part of the show.
The weirdest of all is when people (usually brave browser enthusiasts?) try to claim that “some” ads are actually a good thing because it makes them aware of some product they actually desire which they wouldn’t have been aware of otherwise. I’ll take blissful ignorance thanks.
So yes, I can imagine people doing this stuff without really thinking about it.
Here you go
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sony-patent-mcdonalds/
Edit: I didn’t see the other comment, oops
“Speed”, but instead of a vehicle exploding, it’s to avoid ads.
Officer, “Why’d you run that red light?”
Me, “If I hear the Meow Mix jingle one more time I’m gonna snap!”
Jeep, having heard you mention a product, dutifully plays the relevant ad.
Please drink a verification can.
Officer: Why were you speeding?
Me: Wanted to avoid ads.
This isn’t even funny… This is something people will do. Jeep doesn’t give a fuck about safety. FUCK Jeep.
Jeep isn’t a true company anymore it’s just another brand under Stellantis. So FUCK stellantis and every other brand under them.
