Region 5; Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin. Why are Ohio and Wisconsin grouped with the same link?
I imagine for the same reason Iowa and Nebraska are on the same page. https://blackfarmersindex.com/reg-7-iowa-and-nebraska
Wisconsin and Nebraska have such a small list that they’d be a waste of a page, I guess.
I kind of figured that was the reason, but seems like such a weak reason.
This is great. Is there something similar for finding local farms regardless of race?
Depending on your location, try heading to your local “ethnic” neighborhood produce shops and price check those.
You could try researching CSAs in your area. There are a few near me that sell farm shares with weekly pickup of seasonal veggies during harvest season. I’m in northern California, and our rate is under $20 per week after we split it with another couple. We usually receive more veggies than we would buy during a weekly grocery store trip, plus our farm let’s everyone pick fresh bouquets each pickup as a nice bonus.
I’d love to learn more about the ones in NorCal. I’m in the peninsula.
CSA huh
Yup, stands for community supported agriculture. They’re often called co-ops or farm shares, but I think CSA is the industry term that you’ll have most luck with when searching around online.
Farm co-ops I think focus on local farms.
Thanks so much for this! I don’t mind scrolling and clicking either.
+1 for this, it isn’t that hard to do a little scrolling and if you really need it, use in-page searching and choose a city or town within your state.
It’s a bit sad that it’s just the “black farmers”. If possible, getting your stuff from a local market or even a farmer is always a good thing, no matter if it’s a black or white farmer. I have that here in austria where I get most of my meat and cheese directly from the farmer and it’s not just insanely tasty but also cheaper than from the grocery store.
Strong communities thrive together.
I rather not give people money by merit of the colour of their skin, though. Fuck me, right?
No one said fuck you lol
The fact that it’s cheaper for you and they get paid more than the middle man would pay should be enough for you.
Yeah, that’s not what’s happening.
But keep playing the victim.
Why are Americans so obsessed with skin colour
It’s a nation founded on racism and the back of race based slavery. That shit doesn’t disappear overnight, unfortunately.
Buying something because it goes to a certain skin colour promotes racism CMV
it is still much more difficult for people of color to become professionally successful than it is for white people. That’s a fact. There are still laws in place (and not nearly enough protections), which disproportionately harm POC.
Do they not deserve to be just as successful? To follow their dreams? To be able to support themselves and their families?
Knowing this, why wouldn’t you seek out black-owned business to help counter systemic racism? Those in power in the US, at least, aren’t going to do it. This is by their design.
I care about the well-being of everyone (well, minus the 1% and Nazis), but those who continue to be harmed by a system—that I directly benefit from as a white person—simply require more attention if we’re ever going to have an equitable society.
Don’t cut yourself on all that edge before you graduate highschool kid.
The most impactful racism, that is also the hardest to fix, is systemic racism. I think the idea behind buying from black owned businesses is the individuals attempt to offset the systemic racism that they, individually, can do very little about.
Which is a downstream effect of the racism the nation was founded on? Crazy right?
Yeah that’s not how it works.
CMV
Nah I’m good.
To everybody saying “reverse racism” or whatever your wording is to imply that buying specifically from black people is problematic, why? Do you think that you would have a hard time finding a white run CSA to buy? This is just a resource for people interested in supporting the black community and frankly I see any form of opposition to it as pretty blatant racism itself. I’ll return from a Google search with what I find for other race specified CSA indexes in a bit.
I’m back,
https://www.queerfarmernetwork.org/
Here’s an LGBTQ farm share directory. Is it reverse bigotry to purchase from them? I had to play with search terms a bit but a combination of CSA, farm share, agriculture share, and your chosen identifier should produce you results.
I am genuinely looking for an answer because I’m fucking baffled by this thread.
Some sort of brigading going on here, lots of comments with almost identical wording.
buying specifically from black people is problematic, why?
The problem isn’t that buying from black people is a problem, the problem is that it’s trying to be a selling argument, and that’s just stupid. Are the vegetables of a black farmer better than of a white farmer? Do queer farmers make better cheese than straight farmers? I somehow doubt it. In the end, it’s a matter of skill and you can have that regardless of your sexuality or skin color.
I’m seriously wondering how you ever expect something like “inclusion” to happen when you’re the ones that keep treating the groups you’re trying to include differently.
To flip this argument… Are the vegetables from a black farmer worse than a white farmer? Do queer farmers make worse cheese than a straight farmer? I somehow doubt it. Therefore, if output is equal, maybe it’s time to spread the love to these black and queer farmers.
You say, “in the end, it’s a matter of skill and you can have that regardless of your sexuality or skin color”… and that sounds great, on it’s face, but using that as your argument now, when, statistically, it’s shown over and over again that skill is rarely the factor that matters, is disingenuous. When we, as a society, can get to a point where we can regularly show that, statistically, race and sexuality (or any other reason humanity chooses to use to make “others” out of our fellows) truly do not effect ones prosperity, then, and only then, would your statement hold any meaning.
if output is equal, maybe it’s time to spread the love to these black and queer farmers
Okay but why? What’s the point exactly? Why discriminate against white farmers purely based on the color of their skin? Especially in the farming industry, both are doing an insanely tough job and they need people to buy their products. I think it’s wrong to not buy from a local farmer because he’s white and instead go to a black farmer that’s 30 minutes away, for example.
If I’m living in a village and we have a white farmer, I buy there. If it’s a black farmer, I buy there. And hell, I might buy from both if they have different products. Win-Win Situation.
This focus on skin color in literally every aspect of life is just getting really annoying.
You don’t live in a village. You live in a nation with easy access to products and produce from boarder to boarder (until someone decides to mess that up). You’re “local” farmer is easily both that white and that black farmer.
And if you’re tired of the focus of things being on skin color or sexual orientation, even more of a reason to level out those statistics because, while those statistics continue to show a disparity of opportunity between White and POC/Queer individuals, you’re damn right the focus should and will remain with the latter.
You don’t live in a village.
The 350 people in the austrian village I live in 80% of the time would disagree.
You’re “local” farmer is easily both that white and that black farmer
No. It’s a white farmer. I meet him like 5 times a week.
you’re damn right the focus should and will remain with the latter.
Sad tbh, but you do you. I will continue to support my local community, because strong communities strive together, regardless of arbitrary properties that they can’t influence.
It’s about supporting marginalized people if one chooses to. If one chooses not to, they can just move one without comment. I’m just confused because it seems so simple and the only answer to me is deep seated, potentially non intentional racism.
The problem is that it’s a fundamentally good idea to support your local farmers and businesses, but you’re artificially injecting the race card yet again instead of just ignoring the skin color for once. It’s someone who sells you carrots and potatoes, why care about the race? Why support especially a black farmer? There’s no reason for it tbh - support your local business.
the only answer to me is deep seated, potentially non intentional racism.
Must be tough to try your hardest to see racism everywhere you go.
Not even an attempt to self reflect.
Nothing to self-reflect on since you and your american mindset are hellbent on seeing a race issue here. No reason to try and talk you out of it.
Will it? What will eventually happen if this gains any sort of popularity is that those people you think it will piss off will simply set up their own “grass roots” alternative the directly competes with them by gaslighting them about their “horrible practices they don’t want you to know”, along with funding “white farmers against bullshit affirmative action racist against whites” types of movements as the cherry on top.
So no asian farms, no spanish farms, no middle eastern farms?
Why just black farms? Doesn’t this lend itself to the trope of black people being farmhands?
There ya go, you can make a site for each of those. Use promo code ImATroll for 0% off.
We’d be better off with a website that has farms owned by the workers that are also politically aligned away from hateful views.
Race based delineation is stupid.
Owning a farm is not in any way the same as being farmhands.
We must stay divided or we might notice that we’re losing the class war.
This is the thing that I literally do not understand. Self-segregation is the stupidest shit.
A coalition of independent farmers or farmers with a specific agenda is much better than dividing shit by race. Race is the least meaningful way to divide people.
My wife is black, but she’s not stereotypical American black. If she owned a farm she could be on this list… and she has zero roots in the historical american bullshit. She’s literally an immigrant who pulls six figures in the corporate world. Most of the people of her cultural background are trump supporters for some stupid fucking reason (they think trump will only deport the “other” POCs, not their own, surely THEIR brown people are better right? Morons.)
If her trump loving copatriots registered as "black’ farmers they could be included in this list… and by buying through them we’d be supporting the establishment no less than if we just went to a mega-corpo grocery store.
I’m all for supporting businesses and groups that are doing something positive for the community or at the very least are trying not to actively make things worse for people but blindly “buying black” is stupid. I’d much rather buy from a fucking worker owned co-op farm that is politically aligned as far away from hate as possible.
Black farmers in the US have a particular history, what with chattel slavery and independent black farmers in particular being targeted for hostile takeovers and anti-competitive behavior from racists running big AG conglomerates in ways that other ethnic and cultural groups in the US have not faced.
I would really like an Imperfect Foods replacement. Originally, IF was scratch and dent ugly veggies on discount with some consignment items. Post covid, prices crept up and then you had to pick and choose to get a deal, but you could still get a good box for under $40 every 2 wks that also included things like farro and yogurt. Misfit Marketplace bought them out and it took on a Whole Foods by mail vibe. Double to triple the regular grocery store prices. It would be $80+/week for the same box content which is galling. And it’s not the groceries, it’s MM. Who is paying $3 for 1 cucumber? $4 for 2 apples? $8 for a single pound of grapes or a pint of blueberries?
New potential produce sources are most welcome.
I had to drop Imperfect Food as well from the same problems. It was just more expensive than I needed. I haven’t found a replacement yet unfortunately. We are now just buying food as needed. I have been interested in a CSA but haven’t done it yet
The unbagged produce was fresher than grocery store and didn’t rot on the shelf in 3 days like post COVID produce from the grocery store tends to do.
So this post has potential.
I don’t think this reads as what it was probably intended initially…
Thank you! I did not know that. Last news that I heard about black farmers was about then getting screwed by massive ag conglomerates.
I’ve gone to farmer’s markets and although the stuff is good, some of it is pricey. There are stuff like lettuce and stuff that are cheaper but most of stuff like berries and fruits are more expensive.
It’s more expensive indeed, but I’ve found the quality is much better.
Definitely. 100% would rather buy from a farmer’s market than a big name store. Also, around my area, the big farmer’s markets are located in affluent areas
yeah unfortunately small or independent farmers simply can’t ever compete with factory farms.
But on the bright side, that money (usually) goes right back into your local economy, instead of lining the pockets of some rich asshole from five states away who has a chain of grocery stores.
It does, as long as those farmers are giving back and trickling it down, sort to speak. It isn’t the case for everyone, try not to buy from assholes if you can.
Why do they have to be black? America is bizarrely obsessed with race, I’ve never seen anything like it both in person and on the internet.
I would prefer knowing my money is going to people who have been systematically disadvantaged for this nation’s entire history.
I suppose your post could imply other minorities could be included but the way I read your comment gives off big WLM energy.
Edit: spelling
Nobody alive has lived through this nation’s entire history
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Because they were kept poor, imprisoned, and abused until at least 1965. So the kids born in the 1950’s had the first real chance to go to college. In reality though red lining continued right up into the 1980’s, making sure black people couldn’t get access to services and jobs because they were physically out of reach from the housing areas they had been pushed into decades prior. And job hiring racism still occurs to this day. It was in the 2010’s they did a study with applications that differed only by having an “ethnic” name or a “white” name.
So until black people can access the same opportunities as white people there needs to be support. Everyone wants to assume this shit ended in 1865 or 1965 but not only did it not, it’s still going on.
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The victim complex of so many white people is truly fucking wild.
Are you not already buying food anyway? No one is forcing you to do anything. But people are going to call you out for being so uninterested having an equitable society.
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What are you paying for? Is someone forcing you to pay thousands of dollars a year to fund a scholarship or something?
And the reason they get help is because your parent’s actions (not your grand parents) prevented black people your age from getting the same opportunities you got.
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Guy said he wanted to help people so have been and still are supposed and you took that as discrimination? I guess if we don’t help everyone all at once we shouldn’t help anyone?
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And this would be a great approach if systemic racism didn’t exist.
Everyone isn’t treated the same, so helping them the same leaves people behind.
NorthEast Florida has: https://www.melanatedgrowersinc.com/
Yeah and I understand your thought process. However the entire point is to skip large corporations and buy food from local farmers. Again, why do they have to be black? Coming from a country not obsessed with race, the very mention of race prior to a product or service, seems strange and segregating in itself.
Race should just be taken out of it, support your farmers. That is my point.
And fuck off with the white lives matter shit. I would say the same shit to white farmers, Latino farmers etc. Race+service = bizarre.
the democrats have built their entire brand around performative racial justice where everything they do is designed to appeal to different groups. Its super toxic and while I am vehemently anti-racist this tokenization of policy is counter productive and the reason why a lot of people reject the democrats as “racist”
Bro, the US wins world champions in racism. There are ethno-nationalists in India that think Americans take it too far.
It’s also important to note that POC, black people or melenated people (take your pick - i.e Pakistani and some Indians are PoC) are not exempt from being racist.
In fact, if you suffer racism there’s a chance you’ll then turn racist, because it triggers pack instinct, paranoia, group think - etc. Humans gonna hume. “You’re claiming reverse racism” - bitch, did I stutter? Racism is racism is racism is racism.
That being said, zoning laws are still CRT based and some neighbourhoods in the US only get the most basic super markets - if even that.
“All I see is church, church, liquor store” - Black Milk.
If black people need access to raw produce in areas they can’t get access to it, then I think it’s completely acceptable. Sad, but acceptable.
I could also see a bunch of Karens buying out the stock so that they can brag that they eat “black produce”, effective depriving black children of proper produce.
To err is human, and also be awful is human, and also racism… is human, and also (say it with me now):
Humana gonna hume. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think this is downvoted because people don’t realize the face of modern racism.
Naw, it’s probably because they define racism as actual systemic oppression and not the psychology behind racism - which is dumb, because the latter leads to the former.
But it’s also a question of yankie ire. - i.e the Ugly American. No lie, you’ll meet Africans who have the darkest skin who say they aren’t black or identify as black, simply because they don’t want it to override, generalize and trivialise their own people group’s unique identity and culture.
Then some yankie fuck will lose their ever loving mind and call it racist because they won’t placate to either Pan-Africanism, black nationalism or black erhno-nationalism, as if that’s somehow positive, even though white nationalism isn’t, nor is Pan-Europeanism… the last point I added, because FUCK off if you can me Mediterranean.
Like boy, are you calling me french? Bitch, I’m Nordic. Me and Habibi will slap the shit out of you with a muttom kebab for making that comparison. Like we still have honor and pride in adoption and there are plenty of melanated Nordics today because of it, while yankies have adoption auctions?
Like my brother in Christ, what even is this vile act? Your selling kids like vintage furniture? Are you sick in the head? “Oh, but that’s a white people thing”… again, I’m not fucking wHite then, am I? Because that shit would be fucking dishonourable to my people. Sometimes there are adoption scandals and it hits national news… but sanctioned, legal adoption auctions? Wtf.
People also immigrate, which is fine, since you want people to have the freedom to migrate. Can’t have it one way and not the other. And besides, I love my countrymen, of all shapes, sizes and hue of skin, and I damn sure don’t identify as wHite, because that’s how they got the circus over the pond going completely Texas.
Somehow it seems Americans just wanna make everything pink slime. You need to be put into the people group grinder so that you conform to your identity blob. You shall be pigeon holed, you shall be boxed in, you shall be stereotyped.
Honestly though, I’m racist against yankies - or I’m turning racist against yankies. I’m getting so sick and tired of their bullshit, brainrot, CRT and broad generalizations.
Build the wall - keep those fuckers in.
((And they say irony is dead - you can down vote this dick))
Americans always think they have the market cornered on everything. As if slavery and racism didn’t exist until the 18th century.
It’s because America is obsessed with race, and has systematically attempted to demolish black economic power from the foundation of the society, that people may choose to shop this way.
Yeah sure, but you’re just perpetuating. It should just be ‘buy from local American farmers’, race shouldn’t be a thing.
Intentionally buying from black owned businesses does not perpetuate a racist white man that is in a position of power that allows him to deny black people economic power.
No, but your mentality perpetuates segregation
This is like, 50% the value of pissing off people in power.
Because they still get shut out of opportunities based solely on their skin color, names, and application photos. So they work together to create their own opportunities and are rightfully proud of that. America can stop worrying about race when we finally end racism.
That’s the mentality that perpetuates it though
Alright let’s break this down Barney style. You have group A and group B. Group A decides to pelt Group B with oranges every time they leave their house. So Group B moves in together and buys communal umbrellas to live as unmolested as possible. And you think that is perpetuating Group A’s conduct.
You don’t get it buddy, but that’s alright. Best of luck to you.
No I get it. Fox news screams reverse racism every time group B tries to go around the racist power structure instead of work inside it, and instead of critically examining that you’ve just accepted it as a truth.
I don’t watch fox news, it’s not even on TV where I live. But nice try lol.
Murdoch has news outlets in most of the world.
Do you ever stop to consider that it may be exactly because of your obsession with the skin tone of people, that you have so much racism?
Try imagining being just as obsessed about eye colors. It seems ridiculous right?
It does seem ridiculous to me but I’m not racist and we tried that. In the 1980’s and 1990’s they made talking about race a social taboo. You just didn’t talk about it. The only effect was to freeze racism in place while white people congratulated themselves on solving it because they didn’t hear about it anymore.
So it turns out that in order to fight racism you have to talk about it and give financial support to the class that’s been oppressed.
I am not saying you should just ignore it, or making it taboo. But Americans have gone to the very extreme version where skin-tone apparently has to determine who you are. It seems you have made it taboo not to define yourself by your skin-tone.
I truly do not understand how you cannot see the problems with that.
Do you have a recent example of someone who was denied an opportunity, that is afforded to everyone, based solely on their race?
2024 hiring link, PDF Warning, EDU domain
The studies go on and on. The sheet brigade may not march in your town anymore but they’re still in positions of power pushing down on minorities.
I didn’t doubt it’s still happening somewhere; just curious how wide spread it is. I read the third link. It was interesting. I wasn’t aware the Justice department spent almost 2.5 years going after lenders.
And the work still isn’t done. This is happening all over the country.
Good resources and sharing.
I appreciate what you’ve done in the comments of this post.
I still love how everyone acts like America is the only racist country on the planet.
Can’t say I’ve ever seen people do that
We wanted to pretend it was ending ourselves until 2016.
TIL posting/having conversations about a characteristic of one country implies that you believe that no other countries have that same characteristic.
While I’m sure the fact that the dominance of US news and culture on the internet is probably really frustrating for non-Americans, it’s pretty natural for Americans (or anyone, really) to talk about our own country and experiences… especially while having to grapple with how things have been escalating here. You’re certainly free to share your own experiences.
Sure, it can seem on the surface like wanting to support people of a particular race is in itself a kind of racism, or at least a situation that emphasizes unfair distinctions.
Unfortunately, race does still matter in America, even if we personally disagree with it or want to ignore it. The health and economic research data make it very clear that people of color in America, especially black people, experience harder lives in almost every category. This is due to both recurring experiences of present-day prejudice and discrimination, as well the inter-generational impacts of wealth inequality and psychological trauma.
You might already know about this, but redlining is one example of the way that patterns of discrimination can creates a systemic effect, which, in turn, can impact the physical and financial effects on a family across time. These kinds of systemic effects can then make it harder for current generations of these families to recover and live safe lives today though, we personally might celebrate that the policy doesn’t exist anymore, and even though we personally might say that we don’t support people acting like that anymore.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining
No one really has to do anything, but some people might choose to support groups of people or organizations who they think might have experienced similar kinds of hardships in their families, and might be glad to have a way to try to do something different with their money than give it to another multinational corporation every time.
Yeah I’ve heard these arguments. I still hold my opinion. America needs to move away from the race obsession.
Completely fair - do you have a counterargument? I’d be interested in hearing the other side.
Constantly talking about race makes race a topical issue.
If racism still exists race still needs to be talked about…
Right. Its going so well for you guys so far, remind me again which breed of nazis are in power, and whicj programs they are focusing on destroying?
So you are going to act like everyone in America is the exact same. With the same views? Did you miss the election where roughly half of the country didn’t want this or are you just lashing out because your stance was questioned.
As in
- Not talking about race will solve the lingering systemic race issues, or
- There are no lingering systemic race issues, so we should stop talking about it?
Oh no the US is a shitshow of systemic racism, like super ridiculous on every level. There is such a wild undercurrent, surface levek and then an even weirder like super liminal racism where it just has to be mentioned.
Watch like any late night and they will make a self depricating white person joke, middle aged white guy thing. Just stfu about all of it, address the systemic issues with actual actions and then just you know…live as neighbours as americans.
So the US is a shitshow of systemic racism but you want everyone to stop talking about race? Sounds like a way to never fix the problem.
Not OP, but keep seeing the world as if it is “us vs them” or “black vs white” or “right vs left” or “rich vs poor” will not help find common ground and compromises. There is no compromise for racism, but people putting more attention on it will only promote looking at the situation in a way where the difference matters.
Well b is definitely false, so I’m hoping they meant a
Right but as far as I understand it the supermarkets and wholesalers screw all farmers over equally race isn’t a consideration.
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