First they are born Trans, and that’s already a pain in the ass, then they feel bad because of gender dysphoria and and then society decide to make that worse by telling bullshit to them and exclude them from being considered humans 😭
At least they apologized. ///////ssssssssss
Am I misunderstanding? They have to exchange their license for a new one (I assume with the actual gender).
edit : English is not my native language. Thanks for the feedback.No, with the incorrect one.
actual gender
Trans people are born trans and are biologically the get they identify as.
Here are a number of studies that show the biological reality of transgender people. It’s important to note that although some of these studies suggest causation (ie, HOW a person is born transgender) we can’t know if there’s more than one cause, and therefore using any one test to see if somebody is “biologically trans” is impossible.
Sex vs Gender and the role of the SRY gene specifically (as opposed to the Y chromosome generally) in the development of each, as well as the possible role of AR (androgen receptor) gene https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6505576/
A correlation is found between AR allele repeat length and a person being transgender https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3402034/
The brains of trans people more closely resemble those of their chosen gender identity than their natal sex https://www.ese-hormones.org/media/1506/transgender-brains-are-more-like-their-desired-gender-from-an-early-age.pdf
A trans person’s brain more closely resembles their chosen gender as demonstrated by their brain’s response to olfactory stimulation with androstadienone https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fendo.2014.00060/full
Estrogen signaling pathways identified which tell the brain to develop as one gender or the other, as well as mechanisms by which physical development can happen in one way while brain development can happen in the other https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-53500-y
Cornell University summarizes 72 studies regarding the effect of gender transition on transgender well-being (with links to all 72 studies) https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/
So no, you’ve got it backwards: they’re being forced to turn in their id with their actual gender in exchange for one with the incorrect gender marker.
This makes me feel bad for Trans people even more.
We’ve been targeted by Nazis since at least 1933, but we’re always left out of history classes
Edit: this event is what gave us the banger quote “where they burn books, in the end they will burn humans too’”
Your right to self identify doesn’t exist under fascist rule. Identify as you’re told, or face the consequences.
Today it’s gender. I wonder what facet of identity they’ll seek to control tomorrow. Sexual orientation? Religion? Political affiliation?
Race.
Oh, you can’t change that? Well, the penalty’s pretty stiff, unfortunately…
In for a penny in for a pound. Might as well push another fascist in the ground.
“Sorry, that job is for men. What are you, some filthy tr*nny?”
Sorry, you’re practicing Islam which is a clear violation of our Christian citizens’ constitutionally protected freedom from other religions. Oh hey, tell your Jewish neighbors not to go too far.
I don’t know how true this is, or if it’s just a funny story. Years ago even before gay marriage even became a topic in mainstream media. I heard that a trans fem went to go get her ID changed from M to F. They refused to change it all the typical response. She got mad and well if they see me as M then I’ll dress like one. She took her top off and would walk around town topless. Cops would arrest her or try to write her tickets but she would go into Court and go my ID says M and men can walk around without a shirt, so what’s the problem. I think they eventually let her change her ID to F.
Again I don’t know if this is true just a funny story I heard a long time ago. Though it would be funny if it would happen today.
Why would America allow an openly transphobic government into power like this?
Oh right…
This is Kansas, one of the hard red states. It’s moving to purple, but as of now, it’s fairly red.
“Purple America” is a concept that’s been around a bit, has a wiki article. Long and short of it is that we really are two nations in one country, and surprisingly mixed.
The “standard” way of representing red/blue states is highly misleading. It’s mixed. Everywhere. Even rural.
I lived in the panhandle of Florida, a pretty “red” area. It was still ⅓ blue and only ⅔ red in Panama City. Out in the country, it gets worse of course, but the point is that land doesn’t vote, so you have to remember to count that area for less.
There are very-red and very-blue areas, but it’s really more of a mix than is portrayed.
…which unfortunately makes it even harder to sort out the two nations should we decide to cease sharing this country.
Yeah, although the governor is blue
Who was overridden by the majority red legislature. The governor can sometimes be from the minority party, but that doesn’t really matter when all they’re doing is either vetoing or begging the opposite party to do what they want.
Ultimately, the answer always goes back to capitalism by way of the pedophile billionaires that run the world.
Western democracy says you should tolerate fascists so they can crush you
Shit like this is why I no longer believe in the abolishment of death penalty.
It should be the opposite. This is the perfect example of why the death penalty should 100% be abolished. Right now they’re going after driver licenses and bathroom usage, but the slippery slope is very slippery. It won’t take much for them to make being trans an illegal offense punishable by death.
It won’t take much for them to make being trans an illegal offense punishable by death.
What they’ll do is make something like “the sexual abuse of children” punishable by death, but define being trans (probably verbiage would be “crossdressing”) within so many feet of a child as sexual abuse.
Then, when people try to argue against it, they can be like “oh, you want to protect pedophiles?”
They won’t go that far because they now have a vested interest in protecting pedophiles. They’ll just come out and say that being trans is illegal because it’s against god or something and that it’ll punishable by death. And guess what? They’ll get it away with it too just like how they’re getting away with this crap.
Okay, probably I can settle with absolute life in prison, if said prison is a solitary confinement without any access to their preferred religious materials and/or food.
Why stop at sex at birth. Add height at birth, weight at birth, baby photo etc.
Just appeal and force them to prove you’re guilty of having the wrong gender on your id. It will be extremely difficult for them to do especially given the number of appeals that could happen almost at once.
Nice thought, but the law says “sex at birth”, they probably know it from social security records or whatever. And your “incorrect” license isn’t valid while waiting for appeals… and it’s not like they’d prioritize it anyways. Messed up situation.
Doesn’t matter they’d still have to prove it in court and that is going to eat huge parts of their budget and insane amounts of manpower diverted from actually running the state.
they’d still have to prove it in cour
Bold assumption.
I’d like for you to be right and I hope you are, but I don’t think you are.
Such review shall be in accordance with the Kansas judicial review act. In the case of review of an order of suspension under K.S.A. 8-1001 et seq., and amendments thereto, or of an order of disqualification under subsection (a)(1)(D) of K.S.A. 8-2,142, and amendments thereto, the petition for review shall be filed within 14 days after the effective date of the order and venue of the action for review is the county where the administrative proceeding was held or the county where the person was arrested. In all other cases, the time for filing the petition is as provided by K.S.A. 77-613, and amendments thereto, and venue is the county where the licensee resides. The action for review shall be by trial de novo to the court. The court shall take testimony, examine the facts of the case and determine whether the petitioner is entitled to driving privileges or whether the petitioner’s driving privileges are subject to suspension, cancellation or revocation under the provisions of this act.
It’s a trial, they don’t have a choice unless they change the way suspensions and disqualifications work and in the mean time there’s probably going to be a group of lawyers working to get an injunction for overbredth and likely for speedy trial because of the volume of appeals.
they don’t have a choice
Please forgive me for quoting myself from elsewhere:
The problem is that you respect and believe in words. The people currently in charge could give two fucks. Ultimately, words only have the power that we give them, so when those in charge ignore the Constitution, then the Contitution has no power.
[snip]
In the same way, there are rules and decorum and traditions in politics and revolve around the Constution and various bodies of legislature, et cetera. And so there’s nothing that ACTUALLY forces anyone to follow any of that except voluntary compliance or physical threat because policing bodies enforce things.
This is why the rich are free, largely, from most crimes. They aren’t enforced. And this is how our democracy crumbled. The Constitution hasn’t been repealed. It doesn’t have to be. It is simply ignored. Worse, those who claim to follow it shit on it and ignore it and throw it out.
So I’m afraid they do have a choice in the same way they have ignored due process and habeas corpus, as one tiny example.
Yeah nihilistic thought processes aren’t helpful. The only legal means of resistance is through the law and we most do it and do far honestly they’ve respected the process when push comes to shove because fascism has to pretend laws matter even when the law is dumb.
Can you name a time in recent history they’ve ignored going to court? I can’t. They’ve ignored the rulings at times but in this case you’re aiming for a class action to judicially overrule the legislation so they can ignore it all they want but the licenses would still revert back to being legal.
Rule of law in the USA is almost dead.
Except in the real world, you still lose your job after getting arrested and charged.
You’d have to be arrested for that first. Are you in the habit of being arrested on a day to say basis?
You don’t think that Kansas cops will just profile anyone who looks even vaguely trans or GNC and demand to see ID?
Are you high right now?
Would it matter if I was or are you just being a bigot?
Your comments are complete gibberish. Yes, people get arrested for driving without a valid license. You have to show your license when you get pulled over. This really isn’t that complicated buddy. They just voided the license of every trans person in the state. These people literally don’t have valid drivers licenses. People could still use their old license, but it would be no different from anyone else driving on an expired license.
I’m not really understanding why you’re having such difficulty understanding these very simple concepts. That’s why I assumed you’re high.
But for the duration of the appeal you won’t have a valid drivers license, as it says in the letter, credentials are invalidated immediately. This is the pressure game. You can appeal and walk everywhere with no valid ID, or you can drive and risk getting pulled over and arrested for having an invalid ID and put into the wrong gender prison.
Done properly, it could result in a judge issuing a stay on the order and preventing it from being enforced while the results are worked out in court. That’s not uncommon.
Prison for no ID, what is this MAGA America? (Like when people say: What is this Nazi Germany?)
I guess they ???could dress in reverse drag??? to drive and vote?
Fuck you Kansas.
“Those magic slippers will take you home in two seconds!”
“Yeah, naw, Imma stay here in Oz.”
Toto, I don’t think we’re in Kansas anymore…
Thank fuck.
Now I’m awake to the world. I was asleep before. That’s how we let it happen. When they slaughtered Congress, we didn’t wake up. When they blamed terrorists and suspended the constitution, we didn’t wake up then, either. Nothing changes instantaneously. In a gradually heating bathtub, you’d be boiled to death before you knew it.
Margaret Atwood
State of Kansas, please surrender your statehood now!
