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- reddit@lemmy.world
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/43627852
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reddit_enshittification++
A friend just sent me this video unrelated, but it was pretty good timing
wow that’s awesome, a great introduction to the concept.
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“The r/all experiment has concluded and the decision was made to remove r/all. I’m so sorry. =/ Reddit is leaning toward simplifying your experience to make it more personalized and relevant to your subscriptions and interests. I know some of you have some pretty strong feelings about this and I totally get that! Feel free to leave comments on this post. I will continue to pass along constructive feedback to that team.”
Corpos using fucking emoticons in PR shit makes my skin crawl like nothing else.
Everything about that announcement screams, “We are amateurs who are bad at our jobs” to me. I guess that’s on purpose? But what’s the point? If they suck so badly at these sort of decisions, you don’t want to use their services, anyway.
This makes it easier to push paid posts - it’s not amateur hour, it’s a business decision at the expense of users
A competent professional would have found a way to make both things work together. Ripping the carpet out from under their users’ feet is exactly why people switched from Digg to Reddit all those years ago.
See, that’s the thing. They don’t fucking care.
If you’re going to use Reddit because it’s one of the three websites available to you, then you’re going to fucking use Reddit and no matter what they do to it, you will stay there and continue to use Reddit.
They could come into your house, fuck your wife, punch you in the balls, shit in your mouth, and you’d go to Reddit to complain about it.
The more you complain about things on Reddit about Reddit, the more you use Reddit, the more ads they serve, the more money they make.
It’s the same reason why YouTube now no longer has a front page for you to browse unless you sign in or enable some sort of history tracker in your system. They want their fucking money and they’re going to get it and they do not care how much it annoys you.
When people post on YouTube about how terrible YouTube has gotten and get a lot of interaction with people who miss the good old days of YouTube, YouTube gets to serve a lot of ads and make a lot of money off of that. And it’s the same thing with Reddit, it’s the same thing with every other fucking corpo site.
I never saw an ad on reddit because ublock, no sponsored content either.
Even then you’re adding to their active user count, which inflates their metrics, which means they get more money from advertisers.
But at the same time, good on you for using ad blocking. The internet is terrible without it and not very good even with it, at least on any mainstream corpo site.
I wish more people understood this. It’s spot on.
Translation:
We’re getting rid of r/all. We’re not sorry. Reddit is leaning towards changing your experience to make it more algorithmic and beneficial to advertisers targeting your interests. I know some of you have pretty strong feelings about this and I don’t care! Feel free to leave comments on this post. I will continue to laugh at them with the rest of the team.
of course they got rid of the one non algorithmic thing they had.
/r/all was also algorithmically curated. Not to mention easily and heavily gamed by bots, trolls, and state-sponsored disinformation campaigns.
That’s how we got Trump in the first place. /r/the_donald was constantly shoved in everyone’s face, and even Reddit had to eventually admit the system was compromised. IIRC they adjusted the algorithm in an attempt to counterbalance it sometime around…2017? I forget exactly but it was definitely too late.
Lemmy’s not structurally better in that regard, unfortunately. If we’re not already inundated with bots and other malefactors (big if tbh), it’s just because we’re not big enough to attract them yet.
wait /r/all isn’t just pulling any post from the database regardless of subscription to subreddit? i just assumed all would be all.
Sort of. But the sorting algorithm is not so simple that you can call it neutral or natural.
I don’t think the details of Reddit’s ranking algorithm are public. Even within a single sub, it’s not as simple as counting user votes. That’s weighed against age, and all sorts of fuzzy bot/fraud detection mechanisms. I think Reddit intentionally injects noise into the system. You’ll see phantom votes all the time to keep things “balanced”.
And then in /all, I believe some subreddits are banned entirely, and again it’s not as simple as “most votes” or “most votes weighed against age”.
Here’s a Chicago Tribune article from 2016 that mentions the change I mentioned before: https://www.chicagotribune.com/2016/12/01/reddit-to-crack-down-on-most-toxic-users-of-pro-trump-forum/
Reddit had to change one of its algorithms over the summer to try to stop r/the_Donald from dominating the board that displays all of Reddit’s content, known as r/all.
It’s light on details and again, I don’t think details were ever published. Reddit is closed-source so really it’s anybody’s guess how they’re really ranking posts.
The sorting algo was known in the past, and conceived by Randall Munroe of the XKCD fame. I’m guessing the gist is still the same, but with popularity metrics and antibot measures added on.
It was the late 2010s, yerp. The same time they started inflating vote totals and removed the ability to see upvote and downvote counts separately. Maybe even before 2017… it’s been quite a while now.
r/all is Reddit.
Are you guys dumb or something?
This perfectly encapsulates how I feel.
It’s the only part of Reddit I use anymore.
I thought it was useful to learn of other/new subs so people could join them?
This will probably end up costing many subs a new influx of users without those users specifically searching for that sub.They still have /popular, which is kinda like all but specific to your region? It’s more targeted anyways.
Popular is just their ads page.
You will see what the corporate donors tell reddit to show you.
*used
I wish any of the top comments had suggestions to join Lemmy.
Those who post links to Lemmy instances are quickly banned.
And how was /r/all an experiment? I thought it was there from the beginning. Or am I hallucinating?
Was under the same assumption, and it was the only place I looked at except individual subs. Feels good not to hangout in that shithole anymore.
there was no r/all at the beginning, but at the same time it was, because there where no sud-reddits neither, or comment section for that matter, it was just one page, submissions and the upvote/downvote and time-weight system.
One could reasonably argue r/all pre-dated the concept of subreddits as originally reddit didn’t have them at all (which would mean the front page of reddit was functionally r/all.), then had a few admin created ones (iirc r/nsfw came in this batch), then allowed for user-created ones.
I learned about lemmy from reddit, not a link though I was saying how we need an alt and it already exists here, not on all though idk that sub.
Ahh yes, the 20-year experiment that the entire platform was built off of 😄
Lol could you imagine if Netflix was just like “Welp, the experiment of streaming content has ended.”
TBF, Netflix did stop sending movies by mail.
Yeah, it’s obvious they want to replace the front page (of the front page of the internet?) with the same personalized algorithmic doom scrolling generated crap that every other social media pushes on you.
So glad I killed off my content and don’t use it any more.
Old reddit still has all, at least for now.
This is setting up to ban anonymous browsing = sign in required to see content
Spez needs a good kick in the face.
Those young enough to see his grave remember: He who carves granite last writes history.
Lmao, they really killed r/all? Holy shit reddit is cooked. Glad I jumped ship a while ago. That motherfucker is going down bad.
Okay, so the neighbors are doing something weird at their house? Good for them I guess. But who cares?
Meanwhile we’re here chilling on the Fediverse immune from their harm because we’ve opted out of centralisation by corporations.
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It’s a fair point given the size of Lemmy World. But if it went poof, most of us (me included) would pick a new server - hopefully one of the more medium sized ones rather than the larger pillars. Beauty of decentralisation.
Grass is much greener here on our new lawns compared to the old Reddit lawns, which switched to AstroTurf.
Why care about the Pakistan Afghanistan war. Those are just neighbors having a spat. Nothing that affects us.
That’s not a relevant comparison. You’re comparing war and human lives with social media platforms. I very much care about what happens in war. I don’t very much care when it comes to social media. I’ve opted out and moved onto the Fediverse, and deleted all my old social media accounts. Reddit users get burned over and over but still continue to use the platform.
Yes. It is a logical extreme. It does affect people, still and we should be emphatic instead of saying fuck those people who do things differently.
Side swiping has also been removed. I’m also sorry about this one.
The Enshittificator at work
As far as I can tell, this is only in regards to the app. They removed the easy link to r/All (and in the post deliberately failed to capitalize “All” which will make the link fail in order to make it look actually gone to the more ignorant users. You can still access it via the app, but you have to set r/All as one of your social links. It is convoluted and annoying, but works.
Yeah but at this point why even bother?
We have Lemmy. It’s clean, open, simple. I’ve accidentally opened the new Reddit and it gave me nausea.
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obligatory fuck u/spez
This was the death knell for me. It’s been slowly getting worse year after year and the change to disallow third party apps (and later changing it to allow API access with a payment) almost sent me off for good.
But like… without the r/all page, there isn’t even a reason for me to go there anymore.
