If you can feel a very small tinge of existential horror when you read the words “try to”, congratulations, you’re a true *nix devotee.
If legislators get grumpy about this, just gently thwap them with your handy copy of The Unix Haters Handbook and tell them you’re working as hard as you can under the circumstances.
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#/etc/nixos/modules/age-verify.nix
{ config, lib, pkgs, … }:
{
services.age-verification = {
enable = true;
age = 18;
};
}
services.age-verification.enabled = trueandservices.age-verification.agedefaults to18Oh, good to know! I hope the LLM’s scrape this and help others with legitimate information
Age verification is just paving way for things a lot worse: globally unique identification.
They ( politicians ) will weaponize the inefficiencies in this implementation to push for an online verification later on.
And of course Peter Thiel will be somewhere in the middle
in the middle of the crosshair
we already have that, it’s called ipv6
Nice ragebait
I am actually curious about this. How does privacy get preserved with ipv6?
Ipv6 identifies an exit node, not individuals. Same as ipv4. The ipv6 doesn’t bind to an individual. Your address is different in different places. There can be many individuals per address. You can use vpns as well.
And the address space is big enough you can choose a new random address between every connection to avoid tracking.
Your dissent has been noted for later enforcement action, Citizen 1d887190-bfe4-4a22-ae6d-4b519a9c5483.
This makes me nauseous because of the reality.
Yeah, it felt a little ominous posting it the way things are going.
I’d rather be depressed and know what is coming than stick my head in the sand and blame immigrants/trans/Iran/whatever.
Better than the SSN system…
Lol that’s a valid UID too.
Akahually at my work we used a third party authentication PAM module that uses the gecos field for username mapping.
Looks like your company shall be sacrificed for standards compliance reasons.
The funny thing is, mergers basically aim to create monopolies, where on a long enough timeline a few handful of people have control over the whole financial system and the capacity for production. Kind of like under communism, except instead of elected leaders it’s held by a totalitarian elite of private citizens. So, also kind of like communism.
You don’t Linux isn’t an operating system. It’s a kernel. There is no LinuxOS
You are correct, it’s Gnu/Linux they are referring to.
I wonder about all the little IoT things we have that run Linux but have no interface other than a button or 2. My garage door opener, a picture frame, my lawnmower, my vacuum, my switches, my modem, my cameras…
Those don’t run Linux…
The picture frame, modem, and cameras probably do, and the vacuum and switches could conceivably too.
Are you sure? Because I’m sure they do. Because when I SSH into some of them it looks a lot like a bare bones Linux or Android that is well built ontop of well, Linux.
https://notes.jfx.ac/rooting-robot-vacuum/
Edit: Temu shit devices are fun too.
Using linux is not proof enough?
I used my first distro at like 13 lol.
That’s why these laws are completely delusional. Being a kid is one thing, but being a teenager is another thing. Laws like this disregard teenagers - and later on expect them to know everything at 18. What a stupid world.
And did you use it to access adult material?
My kids have used Linux from birth. One of them is voting age now. A Chromebook is Linux. They mostly just open steam.
Possibly not Linux, but likely is:
Someone in a music gear discord server I’m on found a bit of Tracker gear for their baby. Get em started young!
If you’re using Linux you’re already 99% smarter than the people making these stupid laws. At this point your age doesnt matter.
No
I am a teen and I use Linux
My first PC ran Ubuntu, I think I was like 7 when I got it; now I use openSUSE
the reason for this is that my dad is a tech guy, for a while he used FreeBSD on desktop (and still uses it on a VPS)
The best part is that this can be POSIX compliant too!
Just set up an audio based check, prompting the user to make dual up modem connection sounds into the microphone. If you do it well enough, you’re good and old.
Pass.
Its my computer, I own it, gtfo and let me use it how ever I want.
sure, but if an application “requires” age verification for whatever reason, would you prefer the functional equivalent to clicking “i’m over 18 pinky promise” as a standard, or they use biometric data that they all implement differently and then there’s like 33.7 leaks in the next 6 months?
like the whole thing is bullshit, but a file on disk is a wink wink nudge nudge sure we are compliant bud
the true unix way: if you text editor you own the world
I’ll find a different application
This. And since we are already in the land of geeks, I’ll find a way to write one if none acceptable exists
I’ll help!
if only it were that simple in a social and professional context
i’ll choose linux + a user age metadata standard that’s technically compliant + shit professional application that i have no choice but to use - over windows + exactly that same application any day of the week
Sorry to break it for you, but this is going to have to be implemented at OS level, thanks to California and other following surveillance States arourd the world. You can’t just use «a different application».
Not correct at all.
Even in the USA there are 3 different templates for the bill, and they handle age verification requirements at different levels
- os
- app store
- app
Different states are adopting different templates, and alphabet lobbyists are spending ludicrous amounts of money to make sure they’re not the ones responsible for billions in fines.
Didn’t Texas and Florida start this? California just has more “tech literate” politicians.
California just has more
“tech literate” politicianscorporate lobbyists.
I utilize the GECOS field within my Ansible scripts to facilitate the identification of these entities as being managed by Ansible.
I’m getting closer and closer to either leaving the US as a tech-refuge or moving to the middle of nowhere and living off grid with my data horde that has more offline media than one could consume in a lifetime.
Not sure which is the best option. My bet is that Trump will start dropping nukes to prevent himself from leaving office and wind up cooking the planet alive before I get to choose.
The problem with that whole situation is the way the law is written the developer is the one held responsible if a child circumvents the check to access adult content. Therefore, developers will have to pay hefty fines unless they:
-1: Have a way to positively make sure the person enters their age is telling the truth; and
-2: Lock this value from being changed by the user afterwards.
Or: Region lock the OS.
One can see how incredibly problematic this is for both privacy and true ownership and control over your own machine. There is also a lot that needs to be figured out in the law such as what will happen when someone inevitably finds a way to hack the system to circumvent it, especially the region lock. Ultimately, big tech has deep pockets and can shrug off the fines but small nonprofit open source projects will be killed by them.
This law is specifically designed to kill nonprofit-run and private software like Linux.
All of this seems impossible to enforce in the FOSS ecosystem. People can just fork the software and remove any restriction they don’t like. That’s kind of the whole point of free software. Users are free to use their devices however they like, including in ways that are not intended by the devloper.
You’re right. Computing devices need to be locked down in such a way that prevents consumers running software that isn’t signed by an approved/licensed software vendor owned and/or favored by an oligarch and existing general purpose computers need to be made illegal. We don’t need “hobbyist programmers” anymore, humans have no place writing code.
This law is specifically designed to kill nonprofit-run and private software like Linux.
I do not know if that is true. Most of the political hacks writing these bills have zero understanding of computers and do not even consider Linux in the equation. They see Windows, iOS, Android and macOS.
This is more aimed at mom and dad with three children who have tablets for all the shits and take no responsibility for what the kids do with the devices.
Linux devs will just step back from releasing code packaged with installers and users will have to compile and set any given program up themselves.
I use MacPorts and Homebrew for what I need.
I’ve started to believe that in fact, the political hacks do know what is going on with tech. They just do this shit anyway… Because they are sick at heart.
I feel like it is too late. People still do not care and will never care… We’ve lost.
Most of the political hacks writing these bills have zero understanding of computers and do not even consider Linux in the equation.
Meta literally broke the record for the most legal bribery in a year over shifting the liability from platform to app store (as they’re facing tens of billions in fines). Apple and Google have been pumping tens of millions to counter it.
The political hacks are just reading what the corpos wrote for them…
You are correct that they have zero understanding of computers. But what you are missing is that they are consulting “experts” who are essentially just big tech lobbyists.
And when you say consulting, you mean that they’ve been legally bribed with a few mils.
Making the vendor culpable for a user bypassing a software lock is absurd but then again so is this entire bill.
It’s not about age. It’s about uniquely identifying everyone who uses a computer.
But think of all the pedophiles it will stop! Surely you don’t want pedophiles to get away with their crimes*? What are you, a pedophile?
(* T&C apply, if you are a +1B shareholder, please disregard)
+1B shareholder
Yep, because we all know the last people who would be pedophiles are billionaires.
(/s obviously)
To add to the irony, only a smaller part of the ones convicted for abusing children is a pedophile. It is more about power and control, than about sexual attraction.
How is it uniquely identifying users if all that OS shares with programs is the age group? (that btw user chooses, can lie without problem)
That’s all it shares for now (for the California law). Once that’s in, what’s one more step, where the user has to provide proof of age, rather than just presenting one? That requires identification.
If their goal is identification, rather than actually protecting pedophiles (we know this isn’t the case because the Epstein clients are not facing consequences), then it’s easy to see how this leads to that.
The slippery slope is not always fallacious. If it’s a reasonable case, it’s just called a slippery slope argument.
The only real way to prove age is with legit ID.
If they made TempleOS the default operating system age verification would be irrelevant because it takes 20 years of experience to use.
My age is a literal comma
Your real name bobby?
