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I’m genuinely beginning to fear that the US and Israel choose the nuclear option to maintain their empire. I can’t think of anything rgat would stop them besides fear of Russian retaliation sparked from fear.
I really fukcing wish Iran developed a nuclear weapon like the DPRK, because I’m sick to my stomach worried about this.
If they use nukes, the world is literally over lol. China and Russia would, rightly so, preemptively nuke the US afterwards and so on.
I’m not sure they would risk the end of the world for Iran…
I’m just paranoid about the nuclear option and how unhinged the empire is going to be in this dying war.
Also i don’t think they’d have Trump going “its the most succesful military operation ever” etc… They wouldve started preparing the public for the nuclear option since the beggining imo.
Trump recently said that the Iranian people are evil. To me that sounds like a departure from the regime change line that was being used up until now.
Hopefully this entire fiasco is enough to sway certain world leaders to develop nuclear deterrence arsenals of their own, but if I’m being honest, Libya should have been enough of a wake-up call so I highly doubt it.
Apparently amerikkka is sending a B-whatevernumber Mercury plane over there which is some special plane used to scope things out for nuclear strikes…
What is the difference between dropping tens of thousands of conventional warheads vs dropping a few nukes?
A nuke or even ten cannot win the war. The missile launchers and depots are all over Iran and most of them are made to withstand penetration bombs and nukes don’t do penetration. All nukes would do is convince the world to destroy america before america destroys the world.
Mao made that quote in 1946 when nukes were much, much less powerful and numerous then the ones that exist today. What Mao said was true for back then and it’s possible using nukes might ultimately backfire on the US but I think it’s still important to keep sober with reality, nukes are serious business and every country that cares about sovereignty should be seeking them, immediately. If Cuba and Russia were smart Russia would be stationing nuclear missiles in Cuba RIGHT NOW before the fascists yet again take advantage of their opposition hesitating and vacillating against their aggression and fearing/seeking salvation from an international community that does not exist rather then taking concrete action.
Sanctions cause over 550k deaths every year. That’s as much as dropping the biggest nuke ever tested on a city.
True but having nukes or a nuclear weapons program isn’t the bar for having devasting sanctions placed on you by western nations these days, merely not being a vassal is. Cuba has no nuclear weapons program and has done absolutely nothing to the United States for decades and the US is still starving them anyway just for being communist.
I think it’s also important to mention that Iran is trying to liberate Palestine. Dropping a nuke on the occupied territories would poison the land for decades or even a century. In this way, Iran’s possession of a nuclear deterrent is a paper tiger. I believe this is why they’ve committed themselves to building up their military capacity with conventional weapons instead.
It would kill millions of Iranians and irreversibly effect Iran on a ecological, societal, and economic level.
The rest of the world doesn’t yet have the capacity to destroy the US, so what exactly would they do in fear of a US weilding nuclear weapons?
Honestly I think I might develop a genuine irreconcilable hatred of the white race if the US nukes Iran. I don’t mean meme “unlimited genocide on the first world” I mean I will refuse to interact with white people at every opportunity and cuss them out if they try to be cordial.
I’m fucking terrified for my family’s life in the events of a nuclear strike.
How is this any different than if they use conventional weapons?
They do in a nuclear war. This is the whole concept of M.A.D.
Like yes it would be horrible but only as horrible as what they already have done to Gaza.
My fear is that if THE US runs out of conventional weapons or if they want to keep some stockpiled for a future altercation with China, a nuclear weapon would be the “solution” to that problem.
Russia, and China have the capacity to bring about mad, the rest of the Global south has no defense against a atomically reckless US.
I don’t want my family members to have to go through what Gaza has, nor do I want anywhere to be like Gaza again.
Yes they do. Russia and China are the defense. A first strike is the only defense for Russia and China against a belligerent usa that is willing to use nukes. It forces their hand no matter who the target is because of the usa’s proven track record of antagonism against China and Russia.
If someone screams over and over that they are going to kill you but they don’t because you have a gun pointed at them and then you see them pull out a gun and shoot someone else are you going to wait for them to face you or shoot them right away?
You are dooming for no reason. The results of a nuclear strike are horrible for everyone but they are markedly worse for israel and usa. You are worrying about people doing something that would hurt themselves more than it would hurt anyone else. Even a psychopath wouldn’t do that. They do not believe the armageddon tripe that some jar heads are spouting. There is no up side to them and all they care about is the upside.
It is a waste of energy worrying about something that is very unlikely to happen especially when there is nothing you can do to stop it.
I hope you are correct. I just fear for my family’s safety. Without the nuclear option, I see the complete retreat of imperialism from West Asia, which I truly hope to see.