When the “woke” mania swept the country in 2020, I took a step back and reevaluated where I stood and why I stood there. To my surprise, I found that I agreed with conservatives and libertarians on a number of issues. I opposed childhood gender transitions, unlawful and divisive DEI mandates, and the excesses of Critical Race Theory. I argued against biological males competing in women’s sports and being housed in women’s prisons. I did so loudly and publicly, losing many friends along the way.
Today, some of those same attorneys I worked with are advocating for my right to marry my fiancée to be stripped away.
I fell for obvious right-wing propaganda and rationalized the hate with reason and logic. Now the hate machine is coming for me and that’s not fair!
Ah, typical queer white supremacist meet inclusive white supremacy. Hallmarks of a fascist.
The whole affair made something clear: for many on the right, their past tolerance of gay and bi people who aligned with them on a few pet issues was never rooted in principle. It was always about convenience. We were never truly accepted — just temporarily useful. And now that some of us have outlived our political utility, they’re more than happy to throw us to the wolves the moment the opportunity arises.
I am still incredulous at the existence of Log Cabin (gay male) Republicans, or even Peter Thiel.
Why on earth would you give any support to an organization dedicated to the destruction of people like you?
Does your own hatred of minorities and the poor make you willing to risk joining forces with those who are likely to come after you next?
“Surely all those other people who tried to beat this carnival games were simple country rubes, whereas I have finally figured out the winning strategy that will surely allow me to beat this definitely not-rigged game!”
This may have been explained earlier, apologies for any repetition on my end.
Internalized hatred is real and is a huge factor in this. Many people, when they feel they are on the ‘other’ side of oppression, easily take on the role of oppressors themselves. They believe they have ‘paid their dues’ and found success, and even feel as though they are even more qualified to judge and weigh the rights and qualifications of those in their previous position. It’s very similar to the mindset of older people who have paid off their student loans and staunchly believe that student loan forgiveness is wrong. They think that since they ‘put the work into it and upheld their end of the bargain’, it somehow diminishes their efforts if those that come after them have an easier path. Our confusion lies in the understanding that this is not the direction that progress exists.
Another point, which can be separate from the above or exist alongside: it is a simple fact that being a minority in any group does not mean that person is exempt from feeling prejudice or even discrimination towards minorities in other groups and anyone else for that matter. In a world ready to categorize, divide, and split the tiniest hairs to serve that aim, its a small wonder why we see so many hurt people hurting people.
Does your own hatred of minorities and the poor make you willing to risk joining forces with those who are likely to come after you next?
Yes.
Exactly that.
Just yes, that is literally exactly how that works.
This is a very common theme in the production of leopard food.
Dumb idiot opportunistic greedy traitors, of one sort or another, who cannot comprehend that patriarchichal heteronormative white christian extremist men … are the primary base of their political power, and they demand subjegation of anyone who isn’t that.
Like, Ben Shapiro falls into this… he’s a Jew, he’s a Zionist, … Ramiswamy is Indian… everyone whose ever been called an Uncle Tom (or I guess the more modern version is Uncle Ruckus from the Boondocks) … all the Trad Wives that within 5 years barely escape with their lives and sanity intact, or sometimes without those things…
Because class beats race or sexual preference every time. Peter Thiel is rich first, gay second. Kanye is rich first, black second.
Those billionaires will use any means they can to accumulate power, just ask Gawker about it.
Caitlyn Jenner too.
Wow, I did not know that Cohn was gay. Thanks!
Rat bastard hates to be called gay, but likes shoving his sausage onto men he gets turned on.
Because Peter Thiel is a billionaire first and a gay man second. He knows that his wealth will insulate him from the consequences of his actions.
and he has money to prevent MSM from outing him completely, almost never hear him in the news, and he has paid to silence any criticism of him.
Does your own hatred of minorities and the poor make you willing to risk joining forces with those who are likely to come after you next?
Yes
peter thiel doesn’t care, it’s about the grift
nothing will impact him personally
was never rooted in principle.
Republicans have no principles. Ask them in 2024 if they would support Biden going to war with Iran, and they would laugh in your face. But in a March 25 poll 79% of Republicans approved of Trump’s current actions.
Republicans just repeat the last thing they heard on Fox News.
They may destroy you, yes. But they will also oppose those unlawful DEI mandates. At the end of the day, is that not what truly matters?
/s
Peter Thiel has confidence that his own personal power will keep him safe. Since he’s a sociopath, having homosexuality be illegal actually benefits him because if he gets tired of a relationship he can just out the other man and have them executed.
It’s not entirely clear to me whether history supports his confidence. But little no-name “activists” like the article author are always going to be destroyed.
thiel did defenestrated younger boytoy(not the husband) in florida in 2024, when the model was causing “problems” for thiel.
Thiel plays it safe by staying out of the spotlight, and backing conservatives behind the scenes. Plus we never hear conservatives every attacking THIEL for being gay for any long periods of time, because he has the msm wrapped around his fingers. the “closest” was his young model SIDEPIECE being defenestrated in florida in 2024, which barely stayed on the news long.
trumper gays drank the whole koolaid of the right, they think they are special because they are wealthy or rich.
Exactly. It’s not exactly like the right-wing hide their distain for all people of the LGBT spectra.
It’s the classic “but I’m one of the good ones” trope. There’s no such thing, just tokens to be used and tossed away.
No matter how much you try to be a “good one”, you’ll never truly be accepted amongst those who hate your kin. Once you’ve outlived your usefulness, they’ll eat your face just like everyone else.
There were Jews in Germany who supported the Nazis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews
Most of the members and their families were killed during the Holocaust.
This person needs to develop self-awareness: why is it only becoming a problem when it affects her directly?
Her issue doesn’t affect me at all but I still want to do the right thing. And I would never vote for Trump because it was pretty clear he wouldn’t do the right thing, in many human right and quality of life scenarios
(Plus he had a long history as a con man from before he ran for election, before he paid for his sleazy reality show to reset his reputation: I’m still confused how people could fall for this)
why is it only becoming a problem when it affects her directly?
Based on that it kinda sounds like she is a conservative.
I wonder if this is just a bait article or she is this ignorant.
It seems to be a variation in the extent to which one can easily extend empathy outside close kin groups to more extended or even abstract kin groups that defines what makes someone constitutionally more conservative or more liberal. It has to do with fear thresholds and openness to experience traits too but also empathy scope. And so my conclusion is that this woman is constitutionally more inclined towards a conservative mindset and that this is independent of her sexual orientation. Too bad for her that other conservatives will never be reliable allies for her because, even though she identifies with them, they can’t empathize with what she is.
Based on my interactions with you in the past, you were unable to apply this same logic to the genocide in Gaza.
You don’t actually live by the principle you just stated and hypocritically are fine with throwing someone else under the bus to protect yourself.
That was several years ago, though. Hopefully you’ve changed.
Eh. Sounds like the queer version of a “the only moral abortion is my abortion” pro-lifer. It’s kind of a thing over there.
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Specifically her ability to marry who she wants, because everything is about her.
The problem isn’t so much about things becoming problems once they affect a person, it’s often that these people were never exposed to things affecting them personally before they became adults.
I am of the opinion that empathy develops best when people are exposed to life (for this exercise you are welcome to define “life” how you see fit).
While I have not personally been mistreated for my gender or race, and I have never had anybody murdered or abducted in my personal life, I have had a lot of other Bad Things™ happen to me that has developed a healthy sense of empathy. I can then use that empathy and apply it to those other situations. It’s like the analogy of lifting weights can train you to pick up and move heavy things (not just barbells).
People like this have led what I believe to be very sheltered lives. Maybe they were spoiled, never told no, whatever. As far as they ever knew the horribleness of the world only happened to other people (in books, papers, movies, and TV shows), who they were taught were deserving of such things, and that it would never happen to them regardless pf anything.
None of this is meant to excuse anyone’s behavior or lack of empathy. Never would I suggest such a thing. But it may help your sanity in having a possible understanding of how it might happen in the first place.
It may not; I am not presuming to know you or how you will react to anything I’ve just said.
YMMV.
Along the way in life I have met plenty of people who did have the awful things in life happen to them, and yet they still take this position. I have met many people who have been subject to bigotry all their lives, but then an trans person comes into the picture, and they expose themselves to be equally bigoted, and equally without empathy, and just as vicious.
People develop this way because they desperately want to be part of the power holding in-group, not the powerless out-group. So they will have their own out-group of marginalized people, whom they can feel some of that power over.
It could be a lot of things. I have learned that with how the world works there is no one single answer for why people do the things they do. So yeah, it could be ignorance as I suggested, a power grab/sense of belonging like you suggest, and/or something else entirely.
I also think people like this person in the article gets wha they deserve, regardless of why they are the way they are.
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Unironically using the phrase “radical left” while faking contrition.
Yup. still a POS, only cares about the parts affecting her. Typical conservative.
It’s the lesbians who are also racist ( not all lesbians, but the ones who happen to also be racist). I have personal experience with this and they are insane. In the same sentence they’ll go against BLM and then complain that their rights are being taken away. I’m not exaggerating. But on the plus side, I quit facebook 100% at exactly that moment.
Edit: I didn’t mean it in the way I now see it sounds. Sorry about that lesbians, I didn’t mean to say all of you are racist. That one word made a difference.
Edit 2: Clarifying further.
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Oh come on, let’s not engage in bigotry by painting all lesbians with the same brush.
I didn’t? I said the “one’s who are racist.” You can be a straight racist, trans racist, lesbian racist, gay racist, etc. I think I had this idea that marginalized people would stick up for other marginalized people. It’s shocking that there are a percentage that are just as shitty as the straight racists.
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I edited and apologized, I haven’t had my coffee yet. I meant the lesbians who are racist are shocking.
Edit: Also, thanks for calling it out, it gave me a chance to see where I fucked up.
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I think it still might sound shitty. I’ll try and fix it better. Thanks again.
Absolute textbook LAMF. Always entertaining to see one in the wild.
As a 29-year-old lesbian engaged to be married, this turn of events is personal for me. And it may be one I helped contribute to.
No. You absolutey and whole-heartedly helped contribute to it.
I worked toward what I believed — and still believe — to be true. I still oppose radical gender ideology and Critical Race Theory in schools. I still believe that biological males shouldn’t compete in women’s sports or be housed in women’s prisons. But I will not stand by while LGBT rights are legislated away.
Human Rights belong to all humans, you racist TERF.
Reid Newton, from the bottom of my heart: I hope your life goes as well as you treat trans people.
I was ok hating minorities, but when they turned on my fellow lesbians and I, I done got upset!
Jesus fucking Christ these fucking people
Women who fall for conservatism are a special kind of stupid. They hate us, always. Even though we are the default and half the damn population.
Many on the cultural right are forgetting something critical: same-sex marriage doesn’t infringe upon anyone else’s rights. A crucial argument against gender ideology was the infringement on women’s rights. But unlike trans edge cases such as women’s sports or prisons, marriage isn’t a zero-sum issue. There isn’t a finite number of spots on the “marriage team.” My getting married takes nothing away from straight couples.
It’s too bad they’re both too incurious to think for themselves and so media-illiterate that they haven’t read The Handmaid’s Tale… Obviously lesbian couples can be broken up and forced into miserable straight marriages and this is precisely what the right would want to do! (It’s even part of the American past that MAGA wants to return to!)
You were a hateful bigot but are upset you aren’t immune to the bigotry you fuel is all this article says.
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They didn’t “turn on” you. They were never on your fucking side to begin with, and you were a goddamn idiot for believing their very obvious and blatant lies to the contrary.
It was an interesting read.
By the way, the paragraph you quoted is oddly cut. The whole paragraph reads:
When the “woke” mania swept the country in 2020, I took a step back and reevaluated where I stood and why I stood there. To my surprise, I found that I agreed with conservatives and libertarians on a number of issues. I opposed childhood gender transitions, unlawful and divisive DEI mandates, and the excesses of Critical Race Theory. I argued against biological males competing in women’s sports and being housed in women’s prisons. I did so loudly and publicly, losing many friends along the way. My stance wasn’t rooted in hate or fear but in a commitment to reason and fairness. My loyalty was to the truth, not to political tribes. Maintaining my integrity cost me greatly, but I believed it was worth it.
Later on she says:
The conservative movement has a choice to make: will they stay true to their promises of liberty and limited government, or will they use the levers of power to impose their preferred moral order? I joined forces with them because I believed in the former. I fear they are choosing the latter.
which highlights are key internal division in republicans: small government (i.e. being consistently liberal) or imposing one’s own moral order?
The article seems to imply that some people vote republican because they think it’s a vote for liberalism, ironically.
That’s the raw problem: they don’t question what “small government” means, all the while she praxied big government praxis:
- I opposed childhood gender transitions, 2) unlawful and 3) divisive DEI mandates, and the 4) excesses of Critical Race Theory. I argued 5) against biological males competing in women’s sports and being 6) housed in women’s prisons. 7) I did so loudly and 8) publicly
She‘s incapable of retrospecting she is in favor of big government over-reaches because she wants those rulings against others, not herself. “Law for thee, not me”
Many will say I should have seen this coming — that the right has and always will be against LGBT rights. And maybe there’s some truth to that. But that just wasn’t my experience.
Yeah, no shit dumbass. They were acting nice because they were using you. Divide and conquer, exactly like all those people screaming at you were saying.
If only there was some kind of historical precedent so we could know what would happen immediately afterwards if, say, a prominent gay Nazi helped the Nazis exterminate trans people. Like, maybe if somebody had just appeased them by helping them exterminate one or two small minorities, they’d have mellowed out! Unfortunately, there was just no way to know this would happen. I mean, other than all the people who did predict it, but they clearly just got lucky.
On an unrelated note, I wonder if I could interest her in a nice set of long kitchen knives.
Andrea Dworkin is spinning in her grave. There’s something extra tragic about adopting the token persona for someone at the intersectionality of two identities that the right hates.
the problem with tokens is that sooner or later they get spent.
Caitlyn Jenner on line 2, chief.
