its unaffordable because both dems and gop collude with each other over things like taxes. this time you cant just blame on trump, hes only the symptom of a larger problem.
During a structure fire, the fire department has to start spraying water somewhere to battle the blaze.
And when fire brigades began they would watch it burn until ypu met their price, which was not fixed.
Less scrupulous fire companies had people set fires to drum up business as well.
Great choice of analogy.
Both. Both is true.
Yes, of course it’s both, but I think people are upset with the statement because Democrats (with a few exceptions) traditionally bend over backwards trying to ignore the fact that the billionaire class is a HUGE part of the problem.
Yes, specifically: The billionaires class hired Trump to do this. They may have gotten more than they bargained for, or they may not care since it’s not yet affecting most of them.
Some of them are actively working with Trump towards a future where prison labor in their factories fuels their wealth in perpetuity. It is as simple as incarceration of millions of slave laborers and becoming a government contractor.
Footage of private prison executives celebrating the Trump reelection leaked when it happened. Some immigration camps are already creating labor.
It’s wild because these supposed geniuses have clearly not thought about who the fuck is going to buy all the shit produced by prison labor when EVERYONE IS PRISON LABOR! They’re addicted to making money and will happily squeeze all the money out of everyone till we’re all dead. It’s like if you have a cow and take all the milk and leave nothing for the calves; someday you’ll be left with nothing.
It’s completely possible for only the wealthy elite to prosper even if everyone else dives into extreme poverty. That’s the way it worked for thousands of years.
Is Nina retarded? Trump is the candidate for the Billionaire Class. GOP is corrupt to its core. Billionaires fear the DNC.
Could easily be said without using a slur.
Fair, the comment was deleted by moderators a few hours ago and I have no protest about that decision.
There are billionaires in the DNC, and billionaires who back them. Maybe not as many, but still enough that taxing the rich has never gained any traction even under democratic governments. Billionaires fear nothing in DC, they have proven over and over again they can buy pretty much whoever they need to.
There are no sitting billionaire DNC lawmakers. It is literal party platform, in writing, to tax the rich. Biden increased audits on the rich, made a minimum effective taxrate for the rich, and It was Kamala Harris’ campaign promise to make an unrealized gains tax on amounts over a million dollars, which are assets used by billionaires as loan collateral to avoid taxes for their entire life.
If you were a billionaire, you would be 2.5x more likely to back the GOP than the DNC, and you would likely have a spot reserved in the front or on stage during a GOP inauguration.
Weird. Now I get why every time I read Wikipedia I taste leather. Simply engaging in facts is lIcKinG bOoTs.
Look at Me, I’m Just Jack! I’m helping the billionaires confuse the working class into voting against their own interests!
It’s not “billionaire class”. It’s owning class.
It ain’t that they have a lot of money, it’s how they came to acquire that money as an effect of the system of ownership we currently live under incentivising rampant exploitative practices as the most efficient methods of personal enrichment.
Billionaires are just the best at being exploitative; they aren’t the only ones though.
Most billionaires get their money by exploiting loopholes in the government. For example, they pay no taxes, yet the government will still prosecute people who kill them.
The owning class are the ones who control and dictate our government structure. Of course they are going to create avenues for advancement of their interests. The system was built by them, for them.
yet the government will still prosecute people who kill them.
They actually spend money to keep anyone from even trying.
Both parties are the billionaire class 🤣
There is no truly left party with any type of power in the US.
Oh, they know.
Dems know exactly how they could get a massive landslide in the midterms, and are choosing not to do it.
If they win by too much they woukd lose all their excuse to work against the people.
It would ruin them.
Why did they pass the ACA when we gave them 58 senators? Why did they ban lobby and PAC campaign funds in 2003? Why did Biden audit the rich? Why did Obama enforce immigrant holding time limits against the private prison industry’s wishes?
Seems to me we just haven’t given them more than 48 senators in over 13 years and now everything sucks.
Oh yes the ACA, Romney’s healthcare plan lmao
So you oppose giving healthcare to 70 Million people? And btw, the DNC plan was closer to German Healthcare until a lone independent required to reach 60 votes forced the current version.
Lmfao you’re such a bad faith moron.
You argued against expanding healthcare and somehow that makes me bad faith?
It originally had a public option, which wasn’t in Romney’s healthcare plan. That needed just one more vote to pass, but midterm voters decided to give it many fewer votes instead.
There are only 45 dem senators and a minority in the house. They can’t choose to do a single fuckin thing but block certain bills and force others.
You do realize they could be campaigning on these things. Making noise, drawing more attention to Trumps policy failures.
Maybe it’s just the reporting of it, but the only person I actively heard making a big stink within the party was David Hogg. The party had a big issue with his approach that they used a technicality to remove him from his position in the party.
David Hogg clearly didn’t care enough about his ideals to participate in the redo election for his seat. To clarify, though, the other DNC chairmen didn’t oust him on a technicality, the woman he won against did because she rightfully filed a complaint about the gender segregated pairing of the election which violated DNC rules.
That’s cause they’re trying to lose on purpose. Their corporate donors told them to.
Paid opposition party.
No, that’s the opposite of the truth. They’re a paid jobber party. They don’t oppose the Republicans, they job them. You know, like in wrestling when a wrestler is paid to lose a fight on purpose.
The best thing we can do to fuck up their plans and screw with the billionaires is vote for the Democrats and persuade others to do the same. That’s the thing they least want us to do. They want bad PR and low voter turnout. But if we register with the party, go to local primaries to support socialist candidates who actually believe in improving things, and then help those candidates win (and keep the Rs out by voting for the jobbers when we have to), then the billionaires are fucked because the true believers in the party, even the libby ones, will raise taxes. And Trump won’t be able to lower them.
I can get behind primaries pushing out the establishment and neo-liberals, but honestly if we don’t succeed in that you’ll find me hard pressed to vote blue no matter who.
I’m guessing that’s because you think voting for a candidate supports them in more than one way?
The first way that voting for a candidate supports them is that it helps them beat the opposing candidate, the R fascist. So you’re giving them the “better than actual Nazis” award, I’m sure you agree.
But I’m guessing you think voting for a candidate gives them support in more ways than just that one?
It’s more of neo-liberal Dems are fascist, they just have a nicer visage about it as they provide more of the boots.
You shouldn’t round so imprecisely.
I’m just puzzled that there are a not insignificant number of people on this site who literally believe that Democrats keep losing elections on purpose.
Just stop.
Honestly, I think it’s more foreign psyops than anything else. The Lemmy developers are devout Tankies who openly support the invasion of Ukraine, Chinese takeover of Taiwan and Hong Kong, etc. There is proven tankie bot activity and the majority of downvotes are from a handful of IP addresses.
The CCP both supports the Trump admin and at the same time violent insurgency in the USA, Europe, and other nations around the world, because they don’t care how we destroy ourselves as long as it gets done.
Because that’s the only reasonable explanation for their actions. They can’t possibly be as incompetent as they’re pretending. “They’re not trying to win, they’re trying to ensure you keep enough faith in the system to prevent you from revolting” is the Occams Razor explanation.
Two things can be true
Somehow this is the most ignored fact ever known, for internet people. No, you just simply cannot acknowledge two compatible facts. One is worthless garbage (your fact) while the other is profound wisdom (my fact). For example, here, somehow Donald Trump being a billionaire with the largest amount of power on earth is lost on this person, basically because it helps them burn the Democrats. Really kind of an idiotic response if you ask me. A billionaire acting the most like a billionaire is the “wrong” culprit here. And they think they’re such a big brain for this.
“This person”
Literally a progressive who co-chaired Bernie’s 2020 run and has consistently fought for progressive policies.
I think she deserves to speak the truth to power.
Also, literally a Democrat.
Okay. Even heroes can be testy know it alls at times.
I got a good one for you
Me: Trump won because people didn’t vote for Kamala. She got 10 million less votes than Biden.
Tankies: No it’s because she ran a bad campaign. It’s not because of the voters at all.
Ew, I didn’t order any boots. Try Jack’s table instead.
Exactly. As if those are competing ideas. For those to be competing ideas, voters have no agency. Which they do not hesitate to imply if it makes them feel correct.
I’m gonna be honest: voters are dumb, and that’s the biggest reason why they don’t have agency. Forget voter ID and banning mail-ins, the biggest form of voter suppression is propaganda. Billionaires invest tons of money into making sure voters stay dumb. Politicians actually have a ton of control over voters, because they’re so easy to manipulate. So the tankies do have a point.
HOWEVER, if voters weren’t so dumb, they’d have agency! And the tankies who didn’t vote because they’re scared of lesser evilism? Well yeah, there’s your voter suppression through propaganda. The dumb voting is coming from inside the house.
One of those things is just a subset of a much larger group, but both are only products of a systemic failure that democrats refuse to acknowledge - which makes them seem inauthentic to most people experiencing the problem.
Libs will pretend that this is not a problem.
Libs
Kinda says it all.
If it looks and walks like a duck, it’s a duck.
Personally I think putting people into boxes based on almost nothing is toxic but maybe that’s just me being a sHiTlIb
I havent put anyone into a box, i just labled the box and put it on the shelf. It’s not my problem if people decide to climb into it themselves.
Unless you’re upset with my associating liberals with the tendency to ignore the systemic problems of capitalist democracy in favor of directing anger toward just the ‘bad’ capitalists? I think that’s pretty self evident but I’d be happy to argue the merits.
The boxes shouldn’t exist, unless they were to define people as they relate to specific issues. I have been raged at for being a “liberal” because users assume I subscribe to many views which I definitely do not. They even go as far to tell me I’m wrong about what I believe because “you’re a liberal!!” Which I’m not, insofar as how they mean it. And that’s the problem.
To continue the analogy. You say you’re putting boxes on the shelf and people climb into them. I’d compare it more to people looking at the box labels and then you’re shoving them into the boxes just for that. It’s all oversimplified and kills conversations and progress. The fact that I strongly want an end to many social problems which could be addressed by universal healthcare and regulating capitalism means nothing to most of these label-oriented users. The only people who aren’t evil capitalist pigs are those who fit their same label. It’s actually sick, disgusting, and counterproductive. It’s exactly what you’d want if you’re a billionaire. People who want mostly the same things hating and icing each other out.
Yep sure is
This isn’t 2 things; Trump is a part of the billionaire class. They’re just not being specific enough, mostly because many of them work for the billionaire class.
One of those things is more true than the other.
They’re both completely true, so no.
It’s the same picture
It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!
Upton Sinclair, 1934
trump is the champion of the billionaire class.
It’s both!!!
What neo-liberals and their apologizing masses don’t understand is we don’t see a difference anymore. They’re both conservative parties that only care about their payout ultimately. Advancing billionaire objectives and ignoring us. I really wish they’d understand and stop trying to fucking argue against this.
You think taxing the rich, removing money from politics, and giving everyone food and healthcare is conservative?
The “both sides are same duh” idiots still can’t connect these dots
Democrats don’t want those. At least at the leadership level. Their voters do, but the leaders don’t care.
They should be core conservative policies on account of them being the cheapest options in the long run.
Conservative means “maintaining the old ways” in politics.
It means maintaining constants through change. So it can be applied way more broadly, actually. The ‘old ways’ or ‘traditional’ ways are agnostic to whether those ways are progressive or not.
‘Progressive conservatism’ exists. Many consider the form (or a prominent one) that it takes to be ‘neoliberalism’. Neoliberalism isn’t specifically used as a defined term political science.
So these terms have a whole lot of room tp be used and misused as needed.
Hard disagree on this one.
conservatives vote for small government, big business. and by small government they mean gutting social programs, and giving money to billionaires.
these social programs were to fix problems with huge expenses over the long run more so then some bleeding heart reasons.
they literally save a dime now to have you pay a dollar later.
conservatives are so short sighted they can’t see their own d$(&
Those are progressive ideals, not neo-liberal ones, and neo-liberals are currently the ones controlling the Democratic party unfortunately.
That’s not to say that neo-liberals and conservatives/the MAGA party are the same, or that the Democratic party and the Republican party are the same, but it’s important to recognize that neo-liberals explicitly do not want to tax the rich, remove money from politics, or give everyone food.
Those are literally the DNC written platform. It’s on their website in downloadable PDF form. It’s how they have always voted.
What do you mean that’s how they’ve always voted?
jfc
So as it turns out the entire congressional record including every bill introduced, voted on, passed in either chamber, and signed into law is publicly available.
Although I could mention about 56 years ago they voted differently, so not “always”.
So if you’ve looked at that record, you’d see where Democrats have recently voted against taxing the rich, against food assistance, and against keeping dark money out of politics, and you’d see the absurdity of a sweeping claim like “that’s how they’ve always voted”.
Also you realize there are more Democratic politicians than the ones who serve in Congress, right?
Link it
you haven’t been paying attention.
Conservatives aren’t working towards those things, no.
That’s the point
That’s like comparing a Ben and Jerry’s Vanilla milkshake with a different brand of Vanilla milkshake. They are mostly exactly alike.
TBF, Trump is glazing the billionaire class about as much as he’s glazing Putin and Netanyahu.
Yeah.
Just like Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Obama, and Joe Biden. And, fuck it, Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris too. Poverty is 100% bipartisan, and it’s in service to the
billionaireEpstein Class.No war but the class war.
