• PieMePlenty@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Indian accent: “Alright mam, when you install this app, I will contact you tomorrow and we can proceed with the transfer. For security reasons, don’t tell anyone you received this call.”

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      Right, the real solution is not letting old people answer phone calls anymore, I guess, lol.

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          2 months ago

          I basically never watch Youtube, its kind of cancer and Google is a spyware company.

          And this isn’t about race, its about a country cleaning up its own act. I feel basically the same way about Russia, for example. There isn’t an online servixe or system that sould not drasticly improve if Russians were blocked from the larger web. Its basically a factory for misinformation and assholes.

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            Yes, there are many problematic states, probably all of them. That’s why people thought it was sus when you singled out india.

            My advice: Download a geo-IP database and firewall yourself in.

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              2 months ago

              The question is then if you feel the same about Russia, China, Iran, and Israel?

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        2 months ago

        There are scammer call centers in many countries throughout the world. So unless you want to start shutting off a lot of developing nations from the internet, that’s not a good solution.

        It’s also not a good solution because there will always be a workaround.

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      2 months ago

      Whats even better is that they usually just use team viewer for remote access, which is ON THE PLAY STORE

  • grue@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    “Sideloading” is anti-property-rights loaded language.

    The correct term for installing something by means other than the Google-approved method is “installing normally.”

    It is the act of capitulating to Google’s control, due to the incorrect belief that you need its permission to use your own property how you want, that needs a new term. So far all I’ve been able to come up with is “cuckloading,” though I’m not happy with how sexism-adjacent it is and am open to suggestions.

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      Nah cuckloading is perfect. The best way to make an insult like that not effectively belong to the sexists is just to use it in non-sexist contexts. The intrinsic meaning of cuck is perfect for this. Fuck the extrinsic meaning. We can change that.

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      Might be easier to come up with a specific name for installing something from Google. “Google loading” maybe.

      The we just go back to “installing”.

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        Walled-Garden-stalling?

        “A googol steps to add an app”

        Authoritarian-stall

        Package Micromanager

        Daddy Google’s allowances

        Controlware / Slaveware / Theirware

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        “Google loading” isn’t derisive enough. The example I came up with isn’t quite right, but I do want it to have that same feeling of being a grave insult. Maybe something like “simploading?” Or “dipshitloading?” “Brownloading” (think like “brownnosing”)? IDK, I’m just spitballing here.

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          To really sell it in the US anyway, you could try renaming sideloading to “freedomloading” or maybe “freeloading” (which sounds very Tom Petty, or porn related like “loadblowing”)

          Then to rename the vendor locked loading is tricky. Even the old term “jailbreaking” has negative or criminal connotations. Though the jail is where you were wrongfully imprisoned, but that doesn’t convey easily. You could try to flip it around and call the locked down version “jail loading”. Or “commie loading”, all you would need to do is get some democrats to pretend to support vendor lockin.

          Problem is any legislator on either side is in the pocket of the corporations who will oppose this, so there is no incentive for a propaganda campaign on the other side. So everyone will renain convinced sideloading is evil criminal hacker shit.

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      “Sexism adjacent”…

      Complains about how language is politicized and used to control people and then turn around and do the same exact thing for another topic in the same breath. Jesus.

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    2 months ago

    As someone who replaces “core” apps with FOSS alternatives, the 24 hour wait is quite a punishment.

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      We need those phone shops that actually can hack your phones back, just like when we use custom OS in nokia phones pre-smartphones, normalize custom ROM again.

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    Remind me why the fuck I removed Google Play Services from my Motorola here and replaced them with microG because of a maps app that needed it? Oh it’s because of this… Yeah. Lol.

  • Archr@lemmy.world
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    I can get behind a delay to enable side loading and the warning screens are nothing to me since I can just click past them. Though the delay should be more like 30-60 minutes at the most.

    The real problem is requiring devs (even outside of the play store) to identify themselves. That is ridiculous and does absolutely nothing to secure the device for the user. (It only secures it under Google for their interests)

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      I mean I get the idea of the forced restart and the general waiting time - assuming a scammer wants you to install a “side loaded” app, it will disconnect their call with you, of they’re calling you on that phone. Same for a waiting period that forces the scammer to either hang around on the phone with you for a long time or to call again some time in the future.

      But 24h?

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        My elderly parents are getting a continuous amount of scam calls now practically every day for I don’t know how long. All because they one time actually took a call and talked a while with the scammer. I am not at their home a lot, but last time blocked numbers on their handset landline phone. It seems the scammer noticed and switched numbers as they do.

        Point is, this has been going on for weeks or months. 24h are nothing in waiting time for a scammer. It just forces them to do yet another call a bit later.

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          Scammers spoof the caller ID. Blocking numbers doesn’t do shit because those aren’t their real numbers.

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          It’s still good.

          GrapheneOS unaffected - > more enthusiasts switch to it - > more funding - > better UX - > more interest, more adoption from less tech savvy people, possible professional grapheneOS installation services (think a guy helping gam gam install windows for a bit of cash, to start)

          And so begins the beautiful cycle of mainstream adoption of something great

          Or at least that’s what I tell myself when the current tech world scares me at night

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            Graphene, at least in its current state, is dependent on Google continuing to allow Pixel phone bootloader’s to be unlocked and relocked after a new OS is installed, and is dependent on Google for receiving timely upstream security update patches as well. Given Google’s current direction my guess is that both these things might be threatened in the future.

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            Are you mistaking GrapheneOS with LineageOS? GrapheneOS is for security enthusiasts, too inconvenient and limited to devices for me.

            Edit: typo

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              No, I mean grapheneOS. From my findings you get pretty much everything that a normal android phone gets, except contactless payments because of the google and apple duopoly on that front.

              You can set up multiple users / containers, separate out google bs from your own private life, etc, all pretty intuitively if I remember right.

              I’ve only heard of LineageOS here and there. I’m fully unfamiliar with that one

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                You can technically use Curve. Though I immediately got flagged for extra verification and the support team said that the verification team is overloaded so not to hold my breath. Been waiting for over a month now.

                That’s what you get for not being a corporate drone.

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                  Yea I tried Curve too but couldn’t get past KYC… I was told to message support, did so, and got no response in like a month.

                  I asked for my data to be deleted, and waited another month for a response. Now it’s deleted supposedly.

                  Idk seems pretty unproffesional to me… They probably only support the largest EU countries ID’s…

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    Literally why would I not just buy an iphone if google goes through with disabling sideloading

    Tap for spoiler

    Yes I call it side loading and I will continue to because its just what its called when you install through means outside of an official repo. using this term is not an acvnowledgement of any vind of illegitimacy of this process.

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      The majority of people have 2 arms. So why bother with prosthetics or research into biofeedback?

      See, it’s flawless logic /s

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        Which is not our problem.

        If they are stupid they need education. Not rubber tiles and safety fences.

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        the majority of people would like to have a piece of my paycheck, so I’m giving some away

        -statements dreamed by the utterly deranged

        -cunts that write shitty articles like this

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          I feel like this is terribly unfunny but mom didn’t make no bitch so I’m not deleting it

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    Are there any real statistics about the real number of scams deployed via “sideloading non verified apps?”

    I do not know the number. But I don’t think there are that many cases. Most scams I’ve seen have been via web or via a normal app downloaded on the appStore.

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      Scams require some level of idiocy, complacency or distractedness to pull off. If you’re going out of your way to install non-standard apps you’re likely paying enough attention not to fall for it.

      If youre getting a mark to install something on their phone, you’d probably have just as much luck getting them to sent you a Western Union cheque.