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Silliari@quokk.au to Socialism@lemmy.mlEnglish · 6 months ago

“china is oppressive”

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Silliari@quokk.au to Socialism@lemmy.mlEnglish · 6 months ago
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  • Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works
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    Cool surface cherry picking. Tibetans are one of the minority groups in China, as opposed to the entirety of indigenous peoples in the US which is the comparison being made. It also only highlights the language, disregarding the cultural and religious practices.

    I do think it’s awesome to keep languages alive, but that’s not a whole culture.

    In other news, indigenous peoples in the US have their own legal system that applies to their lands and which isn’t easily infringed on by the federal or state governments. That’s not true in China, so while they can speak their language they are still under other types of oppression.

    • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml
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      6 months ago

      Anything’s possible when you make shit up

    • Silliari@quokk.auOP
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      in china minorities get their own autonomous provinces (e.g. Xinjiang for Uyghurs, Tibet for Tibetans) which would be like if the US gave the Navajo nation a whole state with their own autonomy

      and their languages on currency

      • jdr@lemmy.ml
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        Did they “give the Tibetans autonomy” or just violently annex a weaker neighbor?

        • Silliari@quokk.auOP
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          before china liberated there were slaves in tibet btw

          • jdr@lemmy.ml
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            That sucks. Slavery is the worst. Is that why China controls Tibet?

            • RiverRock@lemmy.ml
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              Yes, idiot. The provisional government refused to abandon slavery and started shelling hospitals about it

              • jdr@lemmy.ml
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                Pardon my ignorance, I can think of lots of colonies that could also have been justified under similar reasoning

                • RiverRock@lemmy.ml
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                  Like the British colony of Tibet, perhaps?

                  Your ignorance is not pardoned, because you decided to shoot off anyway despite knowing nothing of the players or motives involved. No investigation, no right to speak

      • TheGoldenV@lemmy.world
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        Cool story bro, but I’ve been to Tibet. Autonomous is hardly the word I’d use to describe it.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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          Hey can you link me the drugs you were on when you visited Tibet in your head?

          • TheGoldenV@lemmy.world
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            At first I thought, “Oh wow, so edgy. That’s not very nice.”

            Then I noticed that you’re just ml seepage.

            Now I’m laughing.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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              it is indeed hilarious when you chuds come to our server and don’t have the self awareness to realize you’re the seepage

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        • eldavi@lemmy.ml
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          but its more accurate than most other places in the west.

  • flabberjabber@lemmy.world
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    Can we have some academic references for your claims OP?

    Here are mine:

    Mandarin is now the primary medium of instruction/education for approximately 95% of schools in Tibetan areas, including kindergartens. We have a large body of verified statistics and independent institutions that show this clearly:

    https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/12/18/7267

    https://www.hrw.org/report/2020/03/05/chinas-bilingual-education-policy-tibet/tibetan-medium-schooling-under-threat

    https://www.right-to-education.org/resource/chinas-bilingual-education-policy-tibet-tibetan-medium-schooling-under-threat

    Tibetan educator and researcher Gyal Lo has projected that up to 70% of Tibetans in China may lose the ability to speak their mother tongue by 2030 if current trends continue. This projection is supported by a wealth of academic studies:

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/china-quarterly/article/abs/tibets-invisible-languages-and-chinas-language-endangerment-crisis-lessons-from-the-gochang-language-of-western-sichuan/994D3B3CFDFEA96C30F022369F1DB1FD

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29033477/

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324778661_Tibet's_Minority_Languages_Diversity_and_endangerment

    Also, in terms of the overarching theme you’re engendering, the idea that Tibetans do not experience oppression or persecution, here’s a summary of most of the ways in which that provably isn’t true.

    I haven’t referenced these as it would take quite a bit of time; but much of it is well documented and you’re welcome to conduct a literature search if you’d like:

    -military suppression of uprisings,

    -political imprisonment,

    -torture and deaths in custody,

    -restrictions on religion,

    -interference in Buddhist institutions,

    -suppression of Tibetan language,

    -cultural assimilation policies,

    -mass surveillance,

    -censorship and speech restrictions,

    -forced relocation of nomads,

    -environmental displacement,

    -economic discrimination allegations,

    -coercive labor allegations,

    -restrictions on travel and foreign access.

    Many of these same allegations can be levied at governments such as the Americans; but to differing proportions and often historical rather than modern contexts (excluding Trump).

    However, rather than one being preferred, it is my opinion that any immoral and unethical system of government does not deserve the support of the people. The fact that you’re trying to garner support for just another form of tyranny is at the least concerning and at the most likely duplicitous and an attempt at manipulation from said government itself.

    In other words, in all likelihood, waves at the Chinese intelligence system running this thread.

    • SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml
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      Many of these same allegations can be levied at governments such as the Americans; but to differing proportions and often historical rather than modern contexts (excluding Trump).

      Liberals, evey single time. Since Biden the US is expanding through South America, sending troops and doing shit. Your 51st state Israel began the genocide under Democrats.

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      Love you how just sort of skipped past even attempting to provide any evidence for like 90% of the shit you’ve listed here

      • flabberjabber@lemmy.world
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        OP had not provided any references at all beyond a Chinese news agency. I’m still waiting.

        • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml
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          You don’t have to wait, you’ve got nothing

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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          Here you go shithead. Academic research and official sources confirm that the overwhelming majority of ethnic Tibetans in China speak Tibetan.

          https://discovery.researcher.life/topic/tibetan-autonomous-county/8433626?page=1&topic_name=Tibetan+Autonomous+County

    • 秦始皇帝@lemmy.ml
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      In other words, in all likelihood, waves at the Chinese intelligence system running this thread.

      Why do you people always feel the need to add some dehumanising shit like this at the end of your replies.

      “Oh you don’t hate China you must be a bot, shill, intelligence officer, brainwashed etc etc.”

      You suck.

    • Edie [it/its, she]@lemmy.ml
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      military suppression of uprisings

      ???

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