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Summary
Jocelynn Rojo Carranza, an 11-year-old girl from Gainesville, Texas, died by suicide after enduring months of bullying over her family’s immigration status.
Classmates allegedly mocked her and threatened to report her family to ICE. The school was aware of the bullying but failed to notify Carranza’s family.
Her mother, Marbella Carranza, only learned of the harassment after her daughter’s death and is now working with investigators and the school to understand what happened and why she was not notified.
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Kids are awful.
Adults are awful.
People are awful.
Texas is awful. The United States is awful.
Cruelty like this is a learned trait, too. These kids didn’t come up with this on their own, they learned the hatred at home.
At 11? Christ, that is devastating.
Yeah I’m kinda speechless. It doesn’t bear thinking about but I kinda wonder how aware she was of the consequences of what she was doing.
I promise you, at 11 you know what death is. And it’s the ADULTS responsibility to protect you anyway. Why are you blaming the victim?
Yeah, let’s blame her.
What?
I’m not blaming her?
Okay hear me out. I give this one single try. If you do not take your time to think about this and double down on your ignorance I will not further engage.
A little girl has been bullied to a point where she saw no other option than ending her own life. This is huge. It’s one of our must fundamental instincts.
She was murdered. By her bullies, by the system, by everyone who enabled this to happen. She was murdered.
Questioning whether she was fully aware of the consequences shifts the blame from the offenders to her. You imply an overreaction. You imply that the griev, drama, and negative emotions are in no relation to what she has been through. You question whether she has reached out for help enough. You question whether she tried.
Rest assured: she did. https://iris.who.int/bitstream/handle/10665/341671/9789290228578-eng.pdf?sequence=1
I don’t really care whether you engage.
It’s an absurdity to suggest that my comment shifts blame to an 11 year old victim.
Sure ok maybe some asshole Alex Jones type might try to say she over reacted, and they might do that by undermining her agency.
That doesn’t mean that someone wondering about what an 11 year old’s understanding of suicide might be, is doing anything other than grieving for our collective loss of innocence.
It’s a perfectly reasonable thing to wonder in trying to process the death of someone so young.
Sire sounded like you where.
In defense of nuance, I think this take is pretty unreasonable. I understand if you want to call people out for victim-blaming, but it’s very clear the commenter had no malicious intent by wondering about details about the tragedy. Why are we so eager for villains?
Blame?
I kinda wonder how aware she was of the consequences of what she was doing.
That’s not blame.
That’s a perfectly normal thing to wonder.
- Was the bullying so bad it caused 12 year old suicide?
- Or being 11, did they have a fully comprehensive understanding of what suicide is?
These are both very plausible and terrible things.
No 'blame" in there. Get off that soapbox and back onto earth.
- yes, it was? because it did? i don’t understand what part of this you’re still wondering about. it already happened.
- no one does. what is “fully comprehensive” anyway? like how far does it go? no one can tell what the full ramifications of a suicide can be. doesn’t matter the age. if the question is about whether or not they know about what death is, then yes they know. an 11 year old isn’t a baby.
- soap boxes aren’t that tall. no matter where you find them, you can be sure they’re squarely on earth.
if the question is about whether or not they know about what death is, then yes they know
It’s not that simple though is it.
An 11 year old can probably explain what death means, but not really understand the permanence or significance of the event especially in the context of the transience of bullying.
I don’t think you’ve met an 11 year old or maybe even been one. they understand it as much as anyone in that situation would. point being no one in that situation fully does. that’s not the state of mind that typically leads to suicide.
I don’t think you’ve met an 11-year old. They’re typically incapable of doing things so traumatic that a person with an comprehensive understanding of life and suicide would take the suicide option. The stats are so insignificant they can barely be acknowledged.
I find it quite crass that you’re so staunchly opposed to other people.contemplating multiple explanations for such an ordeal. First you throw in the word “blame” out of context, but I think it’s worse that you’re putting this much energy into keeping the narrative in such a black and white manner for what can only be assumed is that it best suits your political views.
As said before—and whether you fit into it or mot—its normal human behaviour to contemplate and consider such things, especially with death. You can’t lash out at people for being normal just because you don’t like it.
If it doesn’t bear thinking about, remove your comment.
Oh you’re asking if she could relatively conceive of what life would be like without her in it, especially to her family and friends. If she had that level of mindfulness and could pre-meditate the consequences.
I mean, she was 11. And even fully grown adults can barely know what the consequences of their actions will be, so I doubt this was ever something considered.
It was probably a combination of short-term pain felt by herself and shame felt towards her family that led to the breaking point. Makes me dissociate just thinking about this story
What the OP doesn’t realize is that if one is at the point of suicide, the loss to their family and friends doesn’t even cross their minds no matter the age.
All they can think of is ending the pain. Doesn’t matter if you’re 11 or 30.
The comment is stupid and clearly OP has never spoken with a suicidal person before. All they’re doing is victim blaming.
Alternatively, they do think of their loved ones but through the lens of, “their lives would be better without me.”
I can’t help but wonder if her bullies may have made this poor girl think she might be responsible if her parents faced repercussions from immigration policies. Regardless, it’s a tragedy that a life was lost so young and it’s inconceivable that the school took no action that may have prevented it.
She was fucking 11, you dumbass.
Sorry I don’t really understand what’s so dumb about this question.
If she actually intended suicide (which we don’t know), then to what extent did she understand the permanence of death in the context of the transience of feelings.
What you’re failing to understand is that you’re being an insufferable twat. Do you ask this about adults, too? There are very few people pushed to suicide who consider how transient feelings are, and that’s hardly the point here. You don’t have to face tragedy with obnoxiousness.
What was she doing?
Committing suicide?
Right nevermind then. I interpreted your statement as if the girl was doing something wrong that caused her to bullied into suicide
This is utterly heartbreaking. Only 11 years old.
There’s going to be so much blood on Rump roasts hands… I don’t know how he can look himself in the mirror. That’s okay. Karma’s a bitch. The next go around won’t be so easy for them, I’m sure.
Karma isn’t real, don’t count on it handling anything.
As a parent this is extremely disturbing. Not only for the topic but that the child felt the need to take her own life instead of asking for help.
On the other side I am very involved with my children and ask them constantly how school is going. If they are having issues they always tell me so I can help. My concern is the daughter did not feel like her parents would help which is why she did not tell them. She would rather take her life. These parents need to take a hard look at why their daughter didn’t want to come to them either this. My heart goes out to the family.
Maybe the daughter knew the parents were already anxious about the growing bigotry surrounding them. The school had already shown her it wasn’t going to help so she may have felt she’d be adding to a burden that her parents couldn’t do anything about. If you want to blame someone, the bullies and the school seem like the appropriate targets.
And yeah, lots of people think their kids tell them everything until they find out their kids are keeping secrets.
Fucked up
I hope the parents sue each individual school administrator and the school board. It won’t bring back their kid, but it’s still a form of justice.
Then again it’s Texas, so justice is more of a concept than any kind of expectation.
RIP
I would like to remind everyone that there are many MANY POC that deal with this, suicide or not. It’s much more common that POC are often the first to be bullied b/c others think they can get away with it. If you want this to stop, you have to call out every instance of it. It’s not just Trump that’s responsible. It’s also all those that sit back and let it happen. If you say you’re against it, then do something about it.
Thus is not a POC this is is a kids are assholes and bullies rarely get in trouble. The fat kid the weird kid the poor kid the kid whatever all get bullied.
Being POC is absolutely a huge factor in being bullied, and I never said it was only a POC thing. All the groups named can be bullied, but in the context of this article, POC-based bullying is absolutely a correct statement to bring up.
Not that we’re undocumented or anything but bullying is yet another reason I’m homeschooling my kids. Fucking little shits. Nothing like Lord of the Flies blind-leading-the-blind mentality while the adults either endorse it (conservative fuckwits), or are too overworked to do anything about it.
I was bullied relentlessly throughout school. Kids told me to kill myself daily. And I tried to multiple times.
My mother contacted the school and the police when my bullies broke into our house when they thought I was home alone and the authorities just said, “Boys will be boys.” We moved shortly after.
I’m so sorry. That’s so fucked up… I hope things are better now for you.
Things are much better. I got the help I need and I’m thriving for the most part. I’m far more successful than my bullies. Last I saw, they’re either dead, addicts/drunks, or working dead-end retail jobs and hate their lives.
I know everyone here is going to be talking about Trump but there’s also the complete negligence of the school to talk about too. Bullying happens every day and it causes suicides all the time. Schools decide to take the easy path of ignoring it or blaming the victim every day too. Until there’s accountability for the staff and bullies this problem will keep taking the lives of children and we will keep raising kids who see violence as a legitimate means to get ahead.
Honestly seeing this problem makes me thankful I went to a very small school. Like there was only 200 students in the whole school. Which meant everyone knew everyone so if you were being a dick, 199 people would know about it. It helped bullying go away honestly so small schools are the way to go. Shame there’s a teacher shortage.
Rest in peace girl.
God damn , I hope these good Christians will burn in hell.
They’re celebrating. This is what they want. They want all Hispanic people gone. They never cared about immigration or legal status, they hate Hispanics and they want them all gone, and children are the Hispanics they hate the most. I don’t know if you’ve ever really listened to their rhetoric, but ‘‘I drove by a school and all the kids were Mexicans’’ is a BIG taking point on the right and has been for decades. They want out kids gone by any means.
I know, just around me that they can look at their black ass, hateful souls, “read” the new testament, and mental gymnastic themselves into believing they good, upstanding Christians.
I never understood them. The American Southwest always had a very large hispanic population… I mean they were there before settlers from the US came along, even racist cartoons from the 1890s and 1900s showed hispanic looking people as being part of the culture there.
This isn’t a common problem, you have an isolated incident with stupid asses.
This is the stupidest thing I’ve read all day. I’m Hispanic, nobody wants all of us gone. Stop fear mongering. This is an issue about illegal immigration, from any country.
You been Hispanic this whole time and you haven’t talked to one white person who hates all messicans. And all their kids? At the school specifically? Why do you live where you never talk to white people?
My grandparents came here legally and are super conservative, and they raised us the same. We don’t have any pity for illegals, from any country, even Mexico. Believe it or not, not every single Mexican thinks, acts, or feels the same. I know that’s hard to believe because a lot of us have been brainwashed to think only Democrats care. Trump doesn’t “hate Mexicans.” He’s trying to curb the illegal immigration problem, and the issue is, much of that problem is coming South of the border. This has turned into a “Trump hates all Mexicans!” propaganda machine from the Left, and it’s just ridiculous.
I’m willing to bet when your grandparents came here, it was a lot less difficult to enter the country legally than it is now. Why do you think we put up so many legal obstacles?
I’m sure it was, but are you saying that things should be easier to get into our country? I don’t understand this logic that the Left has… things are changing rapidly in our world, crime, drugs, human trafficking… are all issues that weren’t around years ago…our immigration policies are in place to try and regulate these things. Are you suggesting we should make it easier on people?
Hell yes. Statistically, the world is safer than it has ever been. None of those things are new, we just hear about them more. Fear sells, and it seems you’re buying.
Has little to do with illegal immigration, its a veil for racism and bigotry for the vast majority.
Im a white guy, they might not say it you to be polite but they sure as fuck think i’m an asshole like them and are happy to say it to me.
Your white guilt must be killing you man. Throughout my entire life I’ve never one felt any kind of racism, from anyone but other Mexicans, who would talk down on my and my brother because we “looked white” and didn’t speak Spanish. Silly.
Unfortunately they won’t because it undeniably doesn’t exist and they know it too
I’m athiest but deep down hope there is a hell. Just to see all those “christians” down there.
The US regime believes in notifying parents, irrespective of the possible harm, if their child might be gay or trans but won’t bother with bullying so severe it leads to suicide. The US is fucked.
May the bullies live to very very old age, haunted and ashamed by their crime, and always remembering with profound anguish this smiling face and these sparkling eyes that they extinguished.
haunted and ashamed by their crime
If only they had the capacity for that. :-/
they were also children, presumably echoing the narratives of their parents. it is not a foregone conclusion that they are incapable of empathy.
Unfortunately, that’s mission accomplished for team red, as that’s one fewer brown person growing up to take yer jerbs.
This was not a suicide. The Trump regime and her classmates murdered her.
