Thousands of Southern Baptists overwhelmingly voted Wednesday to advance a formal ban on women pastors in the nation’s largest Protestant denomination, sending a clear message that men alone should preach to these conservative evangelical congregations.
Blessed be the fruit.
I’m surprised Southern Baptists allowed women pastors in the first place.
The sole opposition came from South Carolina pastor Doug Mize. He said the measure wasn’t necessary because the denomination already has a mechanism to expel churches with women in senior pastoral positions, and it’s done so on multiple times.
“What we have already works,” he said.
It sounds like they can be assistants, but if one gets control they kick the whole church out
This isn’t a toxic system at all. It treats everyone fairly. The men get treated fairly by letting them raise their voices at crowds, and women get treated fairly with exile.
Perfectly fair.
What a fun people.
It’s very difficult to progress as a nation when you have millions of people who refuse to enter the 21st century.
My good them, they’re trying to get us back to the 19th century.
It’s very hard to moderate a religion when everyone with a functional brain leaves…
Which should be obvious, everytime someone leaves a church because it’s too extreme, it gets more extreme.
It’s like how neoliberals coming to the Dem party made it shittier and got us modern Republicans.
You’re definitely right about that. I have to say I like what this Pope is saying, shame they barely listen to him. But that’s Catholics I guess, still.
And if he had turned away because the church was more extreme than he was…
We’d be worse off.
Instead he became the fricken Pope and moderated on of the world’s largest religions.
That is great, I would love to see similar movements in the Evangelical and Baptist faiths here. What about Islam who is moderating that?
Protestants do not have a pope-equivilant to keep all of the sects in line
Islam has sheikhs and such who make decrees, but Islam is also very sectarian so you’re not gonna get universal agreement
The billions of moderate Muslims…
Like, you realize that there’s a lot of different types just like Christianity and they’re all over the planet, right?
The vast majority are pretty chill.
Hell, Iran in the 70s was super progressive until capitalist overthrew their democracy and installed religious extremists.
Most countries ruled by Muslim extremists were put in place by “Christian nations”.
Do you know anything about this?
Why are you so angry and judgy? Why would I want to talk to you about anything? No thanks.
Talk about kettle calling the pot black!
WTF? Where do you see anything remotely angry or “judgy”??? (That’s not even a word, are you 8?)
I should honestly copy and paste this comment in so many situations. A vegan flipped out on me yesterday for literally just challenging an absolute statement they made. I should’ve just responded how you did.
Yeah, Christianity is circling the drain and as more leave, they just get more repugnant which drives out even more people
Are you advocating that atheists pretend to believe…?
Yep.
Extremely weird behaviour. Although that was the case until around before covid (in some places it’s still ongoing but it rapidly declines, churches led by atheists also rapidly die out)
Although that was the case until around before covid
Buddy…
It was the case for virtually all of known human history…
Do you really think it was just the scientists like Da Vinci who pretended?
Most people pretended, and that kept true believers from acting crazy. They followed common sense rules that kept people alive and the people running the show knew it was just boogeymen for the greater good.
The problem is you have no idea what timeline the discussion you jumped into was and you won’t even ask.
Have fun with that, but don’t expect any more elaborations.
Most people pretended, and that kept true believers from acting crazy.
It sure as shit did not.
That’s what I said, before COVID. After that they decided not to bother anymore.
Although this is mainly western society pre-constantine. In places like Asia and the Arab world there was no advantage in pretending, quite the opposite. So it’s more pure there.
You aren’t wrong
It’s hard to progress as a nation when the current admin undoes 75 years of social progress
Betcha the Civil Rights Act is on their crosshairs.
Mm, idk; Reagan did a fair amount of that, no?
Post-Nixon, the Conservatives have been actively and openly calling to destroy the Republic so they wouldn’t be accountable like Nixon was. Regan was just first on that list.
Another reason to discredit Southern Baptists
Afraid of what they might preach?
Generally, if you’re willing to throw the parts of the bible about not ordaining women out, then you’re generally more willing to throw the whole thing out
Remember, folks, the reason the SBC split from mainline baptists was because of slavery.
The northern Baptist’s were opposed to slavery and southern baptists saw slave owners as “missionaries”. That is, people whose job is to “proselytize” the Baptist leadership at the time was dominated by the north and rejected slave owners as missionaries, and so the asshole southerners split off. Cuz they didn’t want to give up their slaves.
So fuck the SBC in particular.
I mentioned above that I grew up Southern Baptist (not only as a church member, but also educated from preschool through high school at a Southern Baptist school; also attended two undergraduate schools with SBC roots) and guess what? They NEVER taught us this history. Wasn’t until I started paying attention to things that I began to really wonder why the “Southern” was in our name…
I spent a lot of time in SBC. 2026, they will not perform an interracial marriage for their congregation.
They are the cells of MAGA. Fuck them and I hope hell is real just for them.
The kingdom is within. It’s because they are in hell and too afraid to face their own demons that they inflict hell on others. They project their sins (demons) on others because they are too fragile, it’s too painful to look deeply and honestly at self, as do most of the rest of us, to greater or lesser degrees. That’s why the Great Merkavist, Magician, Healer, Almighty said to bless those who curse you and pray for those who persecute you. And why, as he hung on the cross, in the death throes of the most brutal torture imaginable, his torturers told him to heal himself. We don’t see our own shadows, but in someone else, until we get super honest, and, as AA says, take a fearless and searching moral inventory of ourselves. Because as long as our gaze is outward, we’re not bothered by the occasional inward accidental glimpse.
Remember also the slavers gave slaves a different Bible than the slavers had, so slaves wouldn’t get ideas.
To be clear, they removed some things from the Bible that might promote ideas like freedom and liberty.
I don’t believe they added or changed anything (beyond typical translation issues). Because they didn’t really have to, did they? The Bible basically contains an instruction manual for raping and beating your slaves
Every time the Bible was translated, it was with unintentional errors and the political slant of the current ruler.
I vote to advance a formal ban on churches!
mask off. Bigots out here showing their true colours.
Moderately surprised that the branch of Christianity devoted to preserving slavery didn’t already ban women from being pastors.
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I grew up Southern Baptist, with a lean toward the even more fundamentalist side of things. I’m now Episcopalian. I remember Pastor Lynne, the first woman priest I ever had. Completely changed my perspective on this subject. It’s funny, but the clergy and theologians who have been the most influential to me in recent years have largely been women: Kate Sonderegger, Catherine Pickstock, Kathy Grieb (two of those names were professors of mine in seminary). And my diocese (Hawai’i) just elected the first woman to be our bishop in our history! Saint Mary Magdalene was the first person to proclaim the resurrection of Jesus, in effect making her the first Christian evangelist. Sad that there are still so many parts of the Christian world that fail to heed what Jesus was doing.
That’s what happens when 20+ books are excluded from the Bible.
You’d think that people who claim to love the Bible as much as the Southern Baptists do would relish the opportunity to have MORE Bible!
Not when the missing books contradict their beliefs
What’s funny is that the included books often contradict their beliefs. And how do they handle that? Well, guess how many times I’ve heard a Southern Baptist preacher preach on Matthew 25: 31-46? (This is the one where Jesus says that people who neglect the poor and harm immigrants, etc. are effectively doing that to Him)
I used to live in a city with a very progressive Episcopalian Church (lesbian pastor, Philadelphia pride flag, “protect our immigrants”, actively helped the homeless, the whole shebang) but they were struggling (in terms of congregation numbers and I think finances too) because even though their messaging aligned with the political attitudes of many in this left-leaning city, most of those folks had abandoned religion in disgust altogether. I saw the same with a progressive Catholic chapter in another deep-blue city: their congregation was shrinking because Christianity as a whole had become so tainted in the public eye that the people who would have been most aligned with their message was turned off entirely.
So sad, but true. I recall a comment I read many years ago in response to the Episcopal Church’s progressive stances that said something like “I’m so happy that you’re doing that, but I’m no longer a Christian so… good for you all, I guess.”
There are also those who look at what we’re doing as basically a kind of marketing. While there are probably a few clergy in the Episcopal Church who see us as “Christianity, but not like you remember” or whatever, for the most part we Episcopalians have arrived at our progressive place out of a difficult struggle with being faithful to the gospel. When I hear the criticism that “if what you’re doing is true, how come more churches aren’t doing what you do?” (which can come from multiple angles), I always go back to Jesus saying that “narrow is the road that leads to salvation.” That and “take up your cross and follow me.” Following Jesus isn’t meant to be a path to political power and influence. The only time Jesus was ever in the halls of political power, it was for a sham trial in order to nail Him to a cross.
Wouldn’t the whole Jesus vs money changers thing count as him entering a metaphical hall of political power as well. That involved Jesus attacking those aligned with the established authorities for their own profit in a frothing rage.
Maybe? The money changers were operating in the Second Temple, which was the focus of Jewish religious/cultural identity. The High Priests held significant cultural sway… I suppose this is a fair argument. The money changers were also extorting their own people’s religious convictions for a dime, which feels quite resonant with what we’re seeing today.
Southern Baptists were formed to use God to justify slavery. No surprise that they continue to be disgusting people.
The amendment would tighten existing restrictions in the Southern Baptist Convention, which already has a faith statement opposing women pastors.
So no self respecting pastor, man or woman, would be caught dead being a member of the Southern Baptist Convention to begin with from the sounds of it. Seems like a good question to ask the pastor if they are a member if you are the type afflicted with religion when church shopping.
This doesnt go far enough. They need to ban women and men!
Only spiritual entities that have ascended to a higher plane and propagate through dementional shifting.
Just like in the bible.
It should be only non-binary hermaphrodite asexuals allowed to spread the word of the lord, as they are the true form of the unsplit god.
And there it is.
