Clickbait and misleading. Nothing “broke”. The recycling bin works just fine, the name of the file in the confirm delete popup is just displayed wrong.
It isn’t the details or severity of the break that matters.
It’s that the quality control process is SUPPOSED to catch that, and whatever sorry excuse for a process they’re using now ALLOWED a break that was obvious, visible, and repeatable, inside a critical, core function of the operating system, to make it to the end users, something that should trigger as an immediate, flashing warning light. That means the entire quality control process at the very least is SEVERELY compromised and unreliable, and there could very easily be MUCH more severe vulnerabilities and bugs hiding underneath that AREN’T immediately visible. To anyone who has done any professional development for non-disposable code bases, this isn’t a whisper of a problem - it’s an air horn.
AI found the exploits, and they clearly used AI to fix the exploits… That about as far as the QC conversation went
Developer written unit tests likely wouldn’t even catch that bug with the recycling bin, because it doesn’t even matter what the text says when it’s being deleted. It’s not a breaking bug. It wouldn’t hold up a release. It might have even been found in QA and might have a super low priority ticket to fix it because again, it’s non breaking and doesn’t affect anything in any way.
You don’t understand how software dev QA works, clearly.
Yeah. I’ve only been a veteran of the process for 20 years - I don’t know a thing about what I’m talking about.
“non-breaking” is a meaningless distinction. What you’re REFERRING to is a “cosmetic” bug, and “cosmetic”, depending on the software and the shop, does NOT mean “acceptable for release”, and FURTHERMORE, this is not a new bug that’s been filed as low priority or will-not-fix, but a REGRESSION because it DID work in the past, which means it’s DOUBLE damning.
I’m not interested in waving around credentials about who knows more about software development - if you work in a shop that doesn’t care about quality, that’s between you and the shop. But if you want to claim that someone at Microsoft said “Yeah, it doesn’t correctly reflect the filename, a critical check to ensure users don’t accidentally delete the wrong file, which is something that’s worked for 30 years” and then signed off on that, instead of the MUCH more likely explanation that NOBODY is looking at ANY of this crap with the detail they should be, I’m afraid I’m going to have to laugh.
To give you an idea, in the XBox division, a division of Microsoft, this would be considered a compliance failure that prevents a game from going gold for launch on the platform, and if caught would cost the developer thousands and weeks to fix before the game could go live because it would necessitate starting the final step of the certification process over again, because EVERY SINGLE TEST has to be run again to ensure JUST this kind of regression doesn’t resurface.
But no - the same company would claim it’s totally acceptable for the operating system that runs bank software because it’s “non-breaking”.
Non-breaking isn’t meaningless - it means it doesn’t break anything. It means it doesn’t affect users, and thus it’s not going to be high priority or be enough to block a release.
They understand it as much as Microsoft does, given the evidence
Sounds like Copilot code.
So where is it pulling that data from?
What other file identifying functions are broken in a similar manner?
Read the article:
the confirmation dialog displays a cryptic internal filename, such as $Rxxxxx.ext, instead of the original filename, such as realfilename.txt.
Lol, yeah that’s definitely broken
What exactly is “broken” about the recycling bin because of this?
Does the recycling bin still work?
Does the right file get deleted?
You’ve got a strange definition of broken.
it defeats the purpose of a confirm dialogue if it doesn’t correctly tell you what you’re confirming…
No it doesn’t. You still have to click delete on the file that you want to delete. Confirm boxes don’t even need to show the name of the file you’re deleting, just confirm if you want to delete it. When you empty the recycle bin it doesn’t ask you if you’re sure you’d like to delete x, y, and z file names, for example.
If I want to permanently delete a specific file from the recycle bin?
Does the right file get deleted?
I literally do not know because the dialog box might be wrong
The answer is yes. It does.
Well I hope you’re right, otherwise the wrong file will be gone forever.
Seems to be only one way to find out as well.
That sounds kinda broken…
I have seen things mislabeled in Linux in the past, I’ve also seen minor bugs in Linux. It’s not broken if the software still works fine. Bugs happen with or without AI.
Linux doesn’t charge hundreds of dollars per license to fund the development, rake in billions in profit, and then funnel that money into stock dividends instead of a proper quality assurance team.
Hundreds of dollars per license, and they still run ads in the os…
Linux is zero dollars and shows zero ads…
Ubuntu has ads
*had one ad like 10 years ago
sEaRcH sUgGeStIoNs
Depends on the distro.
It’s not. Broken means it doesn’t work. Everything about deleting files works. The file you told it to delete gets deleted. The only “issue”, in the absolute least problematic use of the word, is that it displays an internal name rather than the regular file name of the file as it’s being deleted.
It’s not broken if it works exactly as it’s supposed to.
So, nothing broke, except the thing that broke. Gotcha.
Broken means it doesn’t work. Everything about the recycling bin functionally works.
Linux Users:
Ironically people who “btw I use Arch” have been FREAKING OUT because their precious arch user repository got massively infected with infostealer malware, lol
This was just this week
This is why I love flatpak and sandboxing in general
Flatpak ruules!
I had a mild panic then realised I’ve never used AUR so I’m fine
I don’t use arch btw (I’m a Fedora stan)
samesies! fist bump
Cool
lmao, but yea- lesson learned anyway 🥀 never will install random packages without properly checking it, Got too carried away by "yay -Essing everything :sob:
For those of us Arch btw users:
https://gist.github.com/Kidev/85756c3dcad3623ca5604a8135bafd14
precious arch user repository
I think you vastly overestimate the importance of AUR. A lot of Arch users had to say something about the incident and many of them didn‘t even use it. It‘s definitely nothing essential.
Also Arch users still don‘t give a fuck about Windows. This whole AUR debacle has little to do with what OP was actually getting at.
Maybe so. I use cachy just for the record, so I’m not piling on with linux hate. I’m just enjoying the madness of it all. :)
CachyOS not only is Arch, it uses packages from AUR out of the box
Crazy self own my guy
FYI, CachyOS is Arch based. It has access to the AUR. If you weren’t effected, that proves the point.
The AUR is a repository of last resort. It’s useful, but you should be careful. That’s true even before this even. It’s a repository made by users, and is not verified.
I use Arch, btw. But no, I wouldn’t blame my incompetence on my distro even if I were infected, which I wasn’t.
Mostly because they were doing the linux equivalent to downloading .exe’s from limewire.
I use Bazzite btw
I agree. It’s the ideal choice for gaming, and until recently, I had never heard of it. I can’t imagine going back to Windows 11 unless I was held at gun point and even then.
Sweet
What a gamers nexus normie!
Nexus is a good channel, but normies don’t even know what linux is. Steve may be tech Jesus but he’s no linux bro.
DAE BOF SIDES
Not my linux 😎
I actually do use arch btw, however there really isnt anything to freak out over because I barely even use the aur and am just not updating from the aur for the time being. Its really not a big deal.
Nobody is freaking out who isn’t a moron.
There are a handful of arch users who eat crayons… if the windows users in 2026 leave any I mean.
I use arch (kinda), and has zero issues. It was a problem if you used unmaintained packages from arch, as adopting them and contaminating then was the attack vector. Using someone that’s unmaintained is always kinda questionable, so instead I’d just manually install that instead (it shouldn’t change if it isn’t maintained anyway).
Which is honestly just as hilarious, because I use Ubuntu just trigger Arch nerds.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer group of people.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer group of people.
Seems pretty unhealthy to be so weirdly angry at people who simply use a different Linux distro than you.
Doing something to spite strangers is the most pathetic thing you could possibly do.
Lol, I’d rather have AUR malware than Snap packages. You do you, friend. All the arch based distros are fine, only the AUR is affected, so unless someone goes out of their way to use the AUR they’re golden.
I partially chose Linux Mint to skip the whole snap nonsense. I seriously don’t get how it’s been so accepted in various distros.
Can’t we all just… get along?
At the Red
HatHouse we can!
For the casual user, they Just Work™. The famous ones like Stean, at least (I tried it sometime ago, it’s better than the flatpak version nowadays). If you never change your cursor, never check out your partitions, etc. snap’s problems aren’t as visible
Kubuntu minimal install doesn’t have snaps.
Until you install Firefox, that is.
You can still override it to install the apt package, same with thunderbird.
Hahaha I eat crayons so other people get mad
Neat.
The Windows equivalent of this would basically be the discovery that a bunch of apps on the Microsoft Store were infected with malware.
This really sucks for people that migrated to Linux without becoming Linux experts, and chose a friendly distro based on Arch that came with the AUR, like the often-recommended CachyOS.
CachyOS is completely 100% unaffected UNLESS people chose to install applications from the AUR.
You could literally say the same thing about Arch though
The Windows equivalent of this would basically be the discovery that a bunch of apps on the Microsoft Store were infected with malware.
You mean like this?
https://www.howtogeek.com/788382/beware-of-malware-in-windows-apps-on-the-microsoft-store/
If it was the actual apps and not just look-alikes, yes.
There is a reason why the arch community had such a bad reputation when it came to newcomers, they were gate keeping good technical knowledge of the system. It had the side effect that most people became royal dicks on the forums and stopped being helpful, but it did have what I would consider the intended effect of people being wary of everything they did on their system.
I find the easy arch distros to be fairly interesting since my recommendation has always been that anyone who wants to daily drive an arch distro should install arch through command line at least once and read about the packages they use. I personally run endeavor os, but I started by doing the leg work, which led me to the conclusion that I prefer flatpaks over aur if it is available because they are far more easier to maintain good security practices on.
I think that’s a silly thing to say given that the arch wiki is the most comprehensive source of up to date technical Linux knowledge available to everybody. If you mean support for people on the distro itself, it does explicitly market itself to people who are already knowledgeable and willing to be their own support, so idk what you’d expect
The packages on the AUR are all user created. It’s not really comparable to the Microsoft Store.
Is the Microsoft Store not full of apps not created by Microsoft?
AUR is not the official repository. Its more like downloading a virus from Mlcrosoft.com.
The AUR is hosted on https://aur.archlinux.org/.
Just like how Microsoft hosts the Microsoft Store.
That’s like saying that github is equivalent to the Microsoft store. Sure, they provide the space for the repository. It’s controlled by users though, as the name implies. It isn’t the official repository, like the Microsoft store is the official “repository” for Windows.
It’s apps approved by Microsoft. They only made a small fraction of them.
And the AUR is not currently accepting registrations, so some degree of vetting is clearly happening in both cases. I don’t know how stringent for either.
This wasn’t supposed to be a perfect one to one comparison, just an interesting sidenote lol
I think they’re currently taking extra precautions, because of this event. I don’t think they were vetting users before. Regardless, it’s significantly less controlled than the Microsoft store. The equivalent of that is the official repository, not the user repository.
… and Microsoft Windows continues its unbroken winning streak as the best advocate for migrating to Linux …
Well, not mine.
I’m more interested in the laptop depicted in the picture. What’s that mini-screen? Does it really exists?
Looks like an Asus Vivobook S14 with optional Screenpad.
Just rolls off the tongue, really
ASUS does that I think. They also have (used to?) laptops with whole screens replacing the keyboard.
That’s Lenovo I believe
So, all in all… A relatively decent Windows update compared to the average?
lol
Damn, wish my Windows 10 got updates.
/sNo issues across 400+ I manage.
I manage 40 and we had 2 issues that got resolved by uninstalling a different update.
Uninstalling it inexplicably nuked that machine’s print drivers and I had to reinstall those lol
MS universal print.
How did you uninstall a different update? They’re cumulative.
Same. Another overblown report.
According to Microsoft, users who have installed the KB5095051 update might encounter a strange Recycle Bin bug that replaces the names of deleted files with internal Recycle Bin filenames in specific situations. When permanently deleting a single file from the Recycle Bin, the confirmation dialog displays a cryptic internal filename, such as $Rxxxxx.ext, instead of the original filename, such as realfilename.txt.
Ahh yes, Microsoft lying about how bad Microsoft are again. \s
The horrors!
Users might experience the wrong name showing in the recycle confirmation dialogue? As far as issues go, that seems relatively minor. Especially if it only impacts some users. So yea, the title seems pretty sensationalised
lol ok, I’m sorry, hold the fucking phone - how do you break recycle bin…?
What happens if you put the recycle bin in the recycle bin?
Bill Gates comes to your house and slaps you across the face
For free?! And all this time I assumed he’d charge for that kind of thing
That’s only on the work PC so not really my problem
MICROSOFT who encourages employees to us AI to code things? \s
Only thing I noticed was that it broke my onboard Blue Tooth. Mouse stopped working, no Blue Tooth On/Off switch or anything.
Hooked up a corded mouse, installed the latest drivers from Intel, problem solved!
I’ve started having problems with bluetooth as well. My bluetooth IEMs refuse to work at all with W11.
I support a fleet of 300 Windows laptops plugged into USB-C docking stations, with bluetooth headsets, and all that is connected to a Citrix farm.
My job has been pure hell for the past year. And I have no idea how to get out of it.Have you considered goat herding?
So glad to be off of this shitshow
Yes. I finally switched my work laptop to Linux last year, and it feels like so many bullets dodged.
Same. Happy new Linuxer.
oh yeh? anyways, im just doing some backups on my fedora over here. not even a lick of drama.
