• huey_m@reddthat.com
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    14 days ago

    Way too many people in here speaking for “Europe”. I live in Europe as well, and here tipping at a restaurant or a delivery driver is 100% expected. It isn’t usually as much as the US, but tipping exists here as well.

    Also, when in Rome… plenty of people here get upset at Americans for not following cultural norms, seems fair to get upset at people visiting America for not doing the same.

  • robomuffin79@lemmy.world
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    16 days ago

    America once again showing the world what a dystopian shit show it is. People are travelling to what they think is a developed country and so rightly assume all workers are paid a decent wage. Certainly European visitors would assume that. Highlights once again the need for a minimum wage and union support for workers.

    • MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      16 days ago

      Why would they assume that? America is famously a shitty country for workers. You’d have to know nothing about the country you’re visiting to not know that

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          16 days ago

          Because they were too stupid to check the local customs before the trip. And it shows, not only with the tipping, but with a lot of problems they cause.

          • Rat_in_a_hat@lemmy.ca
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            16 days ago

            So its safe to say that they assumed…which is what MnemonicBump is vilifying the whole world for doing in the US.

            • MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              16 days ago

              Literally what everyone else said, we’re an uneducated shithole. Europeans should know that. I’m not vilifying the rest of the world, I’m holding them to a higher standard, because once again (and I cannot emphasize this enough), the U.S. is a bad place to be. Listen to your travel advisories, they’re actually minimalizing how bad it is

              • ragas@lemmy.ml
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                16 days ago

                So you think football fans that would go to the USA under the current political situation are the best and brightest from other countries?

              • Tenniswaffles@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                16 days ago

                Are you saying that because the US is known to be a shothole in general, people should know/assume this very specific thing? You can not make decisions on knowledge you do not possess.

                • MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  15 days ago

                  No, I’m saying that people shouldn’t be surprised when the customs are different in the country they didn’t research because they thought they understood it well enough from the memes

        • MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          15 days ago

          Because it’s normal to learn some things about the country that you’re visiting before you go, and it’s not a exactly a secret that the U.S. isn’t doing well right now

            • MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              15 days ago

              Whether or not a country has a tippsung culture is one of the first things that basically any travel brochure will mention, so yes. You should know how to order and pay for food in the country you are visiting. It’s very basic stuff

  • Auth@lemmy.world
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    15 days ago

    Never tip in the US. Do not listen to wait staff whining. The only reason they cry about it is because they make far more than they ever would on a stable wage. If you don’t pay them they will still receive the wage they agreed to.

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    15 days ago

    Yea, because tipping is intended to be optional.

    The mere fact of trying to pressure or force the tipping will make sure I regard the service as not tip worthy.

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    16 days ago

    How is adding a required 20% gratuity to a bill at a restaurant not false advertising? The restaurant advertises the food costs X dollars, then you get your bill and it’s now 20% higher?

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      16 days ago

      Exactly, it’s not only deceptive but also ignoring the fact that many visitors are likely not earning on par with people in New York and are making decisions about where to eat based on the advertised prices.

      All these bars and restaurants talking about how busy they’ve been and have massively increased business during the world cup. They’re aware of the tipping problem yet still somehow can’t find the cash to cover the difference so that their staff get a normal wage.

      They could share some of their revenue windfall with the wait staff. But instead they complain to news outlets and add an automatic 20% markup without prior notice to extract even more money from the visitors.

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        16 days ago

        But they only want to buy the food, not the gratitude.

        From the perspective of the rest of the world, the US is really weird about prices.

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          16 days ago

          Agreed; in Europe the price on the shelf is what you pay at the register. In the US, sales tax still hasn’t been added in to the price displayed on the shelf so it’s anyone’s guess what the actual price is.

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    14 days ago

    We come from nations where staff get paid at least the minimum wage and don’t rely on tips to make it up to that.

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    14 days ago

    Greetings from Europe, we’re not baffled. We just don’t play your game. Start paying your workers properly.

  • lechekaflan@lemmy.world
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    14 days ago

    lmao NY Post getting pissy over what they call barbarians not leaving tips.

    Ignoring the reality the unwritten rule of tipping for exceptional service was taken over by the restaurants and turned the gesture into a formality serving the owners, and the waiters now get gypped below minimum wage.

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    14 days ago

    “Tipflation” is the worst part. It’s annoying as hell when staff tell you the terminal or kiosk is going to “ask you a question” and the fucking thing asks for a tip while they’re staring right at you. It’s gaslighting people into questioning whether to tip for something that typically wouldn’t require a tip, and whether you should tip to avoid having your food spat on, etc. Then the suggested tip percentages are often inflated and if you want to tip lower, you have to fumble around with the “other” button while they continue to stare. I’d say vote with your wallet, but every place does this now.

    I’ve lived here all my life, and I’m not always sure when I’m supposed to tip or not, so not sure how anyone visiting from a country with a more rational system is expected to understand our broken system here.