No worries, it seems companies are very eager to make this happen sooner than later 👍
This is propaganda. Its the left’s version of “roving caravans of gang members coming into the country”
oh no the left is coming to make the world a better place
Are they?
Can you lay out for me what they are doing, and who does it benefit?
Because AI is here. It’s like saying you’re going to stop oil production in Texas. It looks like the left is being used to stall progress in an emerging competitive tech industry that will shape the next century of power. Looks like a primary generator is a website that is heavily tied to Chinese propaganda.
It sounds like you don’t know what the left is, you are clearly from the USA, the democrats are right wing, marketed as left, you live in a duopoly con.
“Chinese propaganda” …no wonder the USA is such a toilet bowl, you zombies so eagerly buy into your own racist propaganda.
You mistranslated what I wrote.
Them admitting this is possible should already concern people.
The thing about Chernobyl was that it was, ultimately, an unwanted mistake.
The thing about AI is that the shitty mass casualty outcome seems like the intended outcome.
Chernobyl: A massive catastrophic accident during testing and shift changes.
AI: A massive catastrophic accident intentionally caused by corporate greed and capitalism
Tbh, Fukushima would be a better example. That turned off way more people than Chernobyl. At least in my unfounded impression.
Was double-tapping a school not enough?
Not so much an AI thing as much as an American thing. Americans and Israelis love doing that shit.
It was a school of some desert people far away. So it’s basically irrelevant to the citizen of The Great US Empire.
I can’t wait until AI eats the entire stock market. Not by trading on it, but by being used to manage the software and deciding but the most efficient way to do its job is to delete everything.
Only a matter of time. We don’t need to worry about Terminator and Skynet. We need worry about everything going from engineered to automated cargo cult slop. All run on massive datacenters controlled by a few mega corporation that everyone is hopelessly dependent on and can’t imagine working without. The trillionaire owners of these mega corporations are hiding in bunkers waiting on one of coming calamities to happen, or just from us unwashed masses. While they buy governments and media to keep and increases their riches.
This future sucks. Can I try another one?
I came across this conspiracy theory the other day.
You know how back in the day, company towns had to use company scrip to make sure workers couldn’t leave?
Well, not you can be tracked by AI, and as soon as you leave your “boundaries” granted to you by your level of privilege, suddenly your bank card stops working, because that looks like a “fraudulent transaction”.
The systems are already in place, too. If I go on an impromptu road trip and spend money six states over, my bank calls me and tells me my card is being used in a weird place, and they ask if that transaction is legit. Usually I can be like “yep, let it through” and everything is fine.
What if the AI decides that in fact everything is not fine, and I don’t need to be able to spend money outside of my town?
Sounds like an argument for wallets. Digital or with cash.
Sounds like what Alex Karp tells retail investors. A lot more people got killed by AI than by Chernobyl by the way.
Wait, so its not the actual event and ensuing casualties that have AI researchers spooked, but the fact that it might cause the public to turn against AI?
“Sir, our model has caused several explosions around the globe resulting in hundreds of thousands dead and people rioting against us.”
“No! MY PROFIT!”
(I wish I could add an /s.)
I miss sarcasm and satire
It’s like responding to your employee losing an arm, ripped off by your tiger, and saying “I’m never going to financially recover from this.”
Let me put this in perspective:
In many countries its against the law to freely distribute plans for making neurotoxins or bombs, because the democratization of such knowledge would lower the threshold for people to commit acts of terror.
Likewise the plans for making a hydrogen bomb are a close kept government secret, because nuclear proliferation increases the likelihood of radiological accidents or even nuclear war.
How is it then that AI companies freely publish their AI models to any and all actors willing to pay them? Even though they know that this technology lowers the threshold for bad actors to commit cybercrime, engage in cyberwarfare, spread misinformation, commit fraud, manipulate markets and whatnot? The unregulated democratization of AI exposes societies to unprecedented risks.
Is it any wonder the public holds a negative view on AI?
Why are you comparing a tool used for knowledge and action augmentation to weapons created for destruction? Because your statement would look dumb if you said “electric motors and encyclopedias” instead of “neurotoxins and bombs”.
I can use both electric motors and encyclopedias to inflict mass casualties against people who refuse to use them or the results of their labor, but that doesn’t make them like bombs and neurotoxins. You’re simply scared of a new technology because it’s so different.
“Why are you comparing a tool used for knowledge and action augmentation”
Surely you are joking.
Are you using the LLM to write ?
Moving the goalposts implies …
you just don’t make any sense.
This is one of the problems of AI.
The appearance of making sense, without any
actual sense making.Most of y’all sound like you’re from facebook. Like a bunch of kids who never left the curated tribalism of the schoolyard.
@Nouvellalia you can trick the information machine to give you pretty much any information you want, as long as you don’t care how accurate it is. So if someone lies well enough, they can either get the plans for weapons of mass destruction like @metermatic26 was talking about, or they can get incorrect plans that are incredibly dangerous to even try. If the plans are correct, they can hurt anyone they want. If the plans are incorrect, they can hurt themselves and others they don’t want to.
a tool used for knowledge and action augmentation
It’s a bullshit aggregator attached to a stochastic bullshit firehose.
So many of you are zealots, foaming at the mouth, mass-replying to my comments with the rancor of toadies suddenly faced with the truth that the bully they serve will replace them in a heartbeat.
If it is so useless, it’ll just fail on its own. A person who really believed this would just sit back and laugh as corporations dug their own graves.
I’m a data and AI specialist, so no…I’m not scared of technology :p
I’ll explain my argument: AI is technology that can be used for software automation. Neither software in general or AI are dangerous technologies in and of themselves. Just as nuclear energy or jet propulsion are not dangerous technologies in and of themselves.
But the application of technology is never ever neutral, so rules and regulations are always necessary to dictate the context and the conditions in which technology is being applied.
And therein lies the issue: Big Tech is allowing their models and platforms to be used to create applications that are inherently harmful. For example, how is it not a problem when people create deepfake porn of their underaged ex-girlfriend?
And mind you this is not an oversight: tech companies know well on advantage what their models can be used for and the issues themselves can be fixed easily. They simply chose to accept the damage inflicted unto individuals and security and stability of society as a whole.
All so they can get ahead of the crowd and maximize their market share. If anything, this article is a testament to this clash of interests between society and big tech.
You can’t possibly be what you claim to be. All the other problems with your argument aside, it is not trivial to make a model that is “safe” and functional at the same time. It has not been done.
How do you inflict a mass casualty with encyclopedias and electric motors?
How do you get to nukes and biological weapons that kill millions without them?
True, there are more valid reasons to hate AI, like that its usage inherently degrades the livability of our only planet or that it only functions due to artistic and intellectual property theft.
However, you’re glossing over the reality that AI is already being used in weapons. It was also used by my government’s regime to illegally kidnap the president of another country, even.
Electric motors and encyclopedias are irreplaceable in weapons. All electronics are used in weapons.
Farming, fishing, and electricity inherently degrade our planet far more than AI. They should all be used sustainably, wisely, and with an eye to ecosystem health and future generations. You’ll get absolutely no argument from me there. Banning any of them or limiting their access to only the governments and corporations who are doing almost all the damage, is insanity.
When it comes to IP theft, that is a huge, non-ai problem. Again, corporations are responsible for almost all of the damage and we reap none of the benefits, even before AI was ever introduced. The problem is with how we allow corporations to copyright and restrict things for generations.
The solution is that AI, the technology that required all of humanity to contribute knowledge for it to exist, should be free for all to use. Why would IP theft be a reason to limit AI ownership to only corporations and governments? That’s completely backwards.
Farming, fishing, and electricity inherently degrade our planet far more than AI.
They’re also necessary for existence (at least the first two, but when it comes to medical applications, really electricity too).
AI slop? Nope.
Nope, we all lived just fine without farming and fishing. Then we lived just fine without industrial farming and fishing. We lived most of human existence without either, and certainly without modern medicine.
You just like those things and you don’t like AI.
Then you dress all AI applications down to “AI slop”. Which if you want to move the goalposts to “AI slop”, we can agree that it’s about as necessary as high fructose corn syrup and streaming entertainment. Do you fuss on those as hard as frivolous AI usage?
@Nouvellalia @7101334 funny how really the only argument AI boosters can make with regards to its environmental impact is “what about all the other stuff that is worse”. What about it? What about that? Look over there! Yes I’ve been concerned about all those things, for many years, because I’ve been concerned about climate change, for many years. You haven’t?
lmao that’s actually so stupid I’m not even going to bother responding
re: your 1st point: deliberately disingenuous due to scale and time. re: your 2nd point: No
@Nouvellalia @7101334
> Farming, fishing, and electricity inherently degrade our planet far more than AI.Inherently? It’s just a matter of time.
It’s really not even so different. “AI” in the current LLM-era just tricks people into thinking it’s something fundamentally different because it can string together words in a more coherent sentence than we’re used to.
At its core, though, the whole premise of the comment you’ve replied to is the argument that knowledge is dangerous and I hope I don’t have to explain why that’s a bad argument.
AI is a universe simulator that uses the fuzzy logic of language instead of hard math. It is a real-time interface between the human and thousand of years of collective knowledge and understanding. It is an epoch change, even if you remove the idea that it is a thinking being like you.
Ai is a banana toast simulator that uses farty logic of sandwich instead of hard knock life. It is a cereal box interface between the zombie and thousands of seconds of contrived marketing and manipulation. It is a diaper change, even if you remove the asparagus it is a toilet bowl full of arsenic.
the fuzzy logic of language instead of hard math
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There’s no evidence that natural language is based on fuzzy logic.
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Fuzzy logic is real math.
You are talking about a statistical array that uses fuzzy logic to represent humanity’s compression of their experience of the universe. It uses language to determine the values because people used language to encode them.
Fuzzy logic was literally founded as a way to represent the concepts we naturally represent with language.
You are so far away from a solid grasp of what your are attempting to educate me on. Is this a litmus test for other idiots? Like, you can’t join the crusade unless you are “this stupid”?
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it can string together words in a more coherent sentence than we’re used to
Truthiness.
Knowledge without wisdom and decent morals can be incredibly dangerous.
That knowledge is nowhere near as restricted as you think. People regularly build small thermonuclear reactors in their basements for shits and giggles. It’s not exactly cutting edge technology.
Similarly, anyone with slightly more than a passing interest in model rockets knows someone who’s been visited by the ATF, as your average solid fuel model rocket engine is basically a pipe bomb with one of the endcaps taken off.
Fair point. But how many more people tried and failed because they didn’t have the level of skill required to see it through.
I mean I’m not a dumb guy, but if I started tomorrow I wouldn’t be able to just build a rocket out of the blue. It takes time and patience to master the skills needed to pull it off.
But if I had someone at my side to guide me through the proces, then I’d probably succeed a lot better and faster.
And that goes for the ten of thousands of people all around the world trying their hand at these things.
How is it then that AI companies freely publish their AI models to any and all actors willing to pay them?
Because they can’t really do much?
Likewise the plans for making a hydrogen bomb are a close kept government secret, because nuclear proliferation increases the likelihood of radiological accidents or even nuclear war.
I think they removed it, but I watched a documentary on Netflix explaining how to make a basic nuclear bomb.
Really the only hard part is obtaining the enriched uranium. Which is, thankfully, very hard.
The money might go away!
Watch thiel, huang, karp etc videos. As far as they are concerned we are irrelevant at best, more accurately we are in the way, and we are a waste of resources that should belong to ai.
Already used in ukraine war, palestenian genocide rtc. See autonomous drones.
We should already be against AI but mainstream media and class consciousness are suppressed to serve our billionaire overlords
Also in the genocide in Sudan. They killed a whole city, Al Faschir or El Fasher. Over 70,000 people disappeared in one night when the city was invaded. Most of them are probably dead - what remained were blood puddles visible on satellite images.
There is a detailed, very high quality report in the renowned German newspaper DIE ZEIT that tried to reconstruct what happened:
https://www.zeit.de/2026/16/kriegsverbrechen-al-faschir-sudan-darfur-rsf/komplettansicht
It is, after the report of WWII allies reaching German concentration camps, and the testimonies from Hiroshima, among the worst and most depressing things I have ever read.
Seems like Ukraine needed money, and sold drones to Saudi Arabia. And Saudi gave the weapons to the Arab side of the civil war. Which included the forces which besieged and destroyed Al Fashir.
If AI was perhaps a neutral technology before, this is certainly not the case any more.
Paywall
Butlerian Jihad incoming!
Men of Iron moment?
I don’t think it will be Chernobyl or 9/11 level, but I do think an epic fuckup with potential casualties is going to set AI back ten years. And maybe by then we’ll have figure out our shit enough to make it not destroy society.
It’s the same cycle you see with deregulation. Dereg good, until so much dereg that something epically fucks up. Then it’s “why did no one prevent this” and regulations are back again.
Then it’s “why did no one prevent this” and regulations are back again.
then the regulations need to be stronger and the guillotines sharper.
On the other hand, it would be a smart tactical move to start the Butlerian Jihad early enough before it turns into a potential extintion event.
Are these “top ai researchers” real people?
These top AI researchers are just investment bankers. So no, not real people
Real grifters.
