They’re on my list the next time I need one.
I know a lawyer who just ordered one.
He’s got disposable income, he wants a decent windows based laptop for his work, he liked the repairability angle.
This isn’t for just tech enthusiasts.
He’s got disposable income
A key difference, especially of late.
The idea of buying a Framework, just to put Windows on it, rubs me the wrong way haha
It’s a step.
Step 1: new hardware (Framework), familiar OS (Windows)
Step 2: familiar hardware (Framework), new OS (Linux)
Step 3: “I use Arch Linux, btw.”
I’ve swapped the Main board and WiFi chip in a framework laptop. Swap the ports regularly. It can have a few quirks to get used to. It is wildly worthwhile to me now that Dell has decided nothing can be repaired anymore. Those who say they take care of their laptop likely do try and one should but it is survivorship bias imho. Accidents happen unintentionally that is why they are called accidents.
Spent over two decades repairing laptops… I’m unlikely to purchase anything but framework for years going forward. Now if we could just get the framework printer :P The upfront cost is high they are still a small manufacturer. The long term value is working out well for me.
Yeah, you can certainly get cheaper laptops, but if you’re looking for similar build quality, it’s not that much more
I would also say, for me, the peace of mind with how easy it is to fix is worth it. I used to stress over my wife or nephew or someone wanting to do something on my laptop, but now if they poke the screen with their finger I just think I can fix it in 5 minutes if they mess it up
I really want to buy a Framework, but it doesn’t make sense to me if every year they announce a new model that is improved. Every year I think about buying one a new one gets announced :/ Maybe I don’t understand it but what is the point of that?
You can just swap out the main board and CPU, if you want a newer one. There are different models incompatible with each other, but you just gotta choose a shape and then the internals are largely the same.
On top of that, you don’t have to stay bleeding-edge. Computers have mostly reached a steady-state these days. A decade old computer now is still a fairly usable machine. It won’t be vast, but it also won’t be a slug.
They only have three models of laptop. The Framework 12, 13, and 16
Within each model they might upgrade the specs, or change some things around, but there is no break in compatibility from generation to generation. If you buy a Framework today, (assuming they don’t go bust) you will be able to buy the upgraded parts a few years down the line and slot them into your existing laptop.
That sounds like every piece of tech in existence. Every laptop manufacturer does the same. The difference with Framework is that you can upgrade parts of your existing model with some of the new hardware if you want. You don’t have to have the latest and greatest but if you like a certain aspect of it, you can upgrade that.
Well, supporting DHH doesn’t really help their case either…
What’s wrong with dhh btw?
Far right? I mean I don’t know if that’s enough for me, but he’s not really making anything I would use anyways. But honestly business people should just keep politics to themselves
It really bothers me that this shit is never mentioned or gets drowned out whenever people talk about Framework laptops. We should absolutely name and shame anyone who donates to alt-right nutheads that sincerely believe in “White replacement” bs.
I want one but I just got a refurbished thinkpad for like $350 and I’m trying to be a little more financially responsible than I was in the past. That being said I recently spent $2k on a 3D printer so maybe I’m not doing that well with the financial responsibility. I would love to get their 13 pro whenever it’s in my budget.
I don’t buy notebooks. Only used older Thinkpads, particularly for coreboot/libreboot support.
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I would be willing to buy one if they sold them in my country
so it doesnt work
They value a laptop that excels at providing value for money, a compact design, battery life, and brand familiarity.
Value for money on what timescale? Most seem to only think about the price vs the functionality a few days after purchase. Longer term, the ability to upgrade and repair components instead of pitching the whole thing would be higher value for money, but that’s not how most consumers think.
A compact design is nice, but not the be-all-end-all if Framework can get in a reasonable size/weight range.
Battery life is an oxymoron here… the main issue I have with laptop battery life is after a few years of use it dwindles, eventually to zero. When the battery isn’t replaceable, or is a proprietary form factor which costs nearly as much as a new laptop - that results in horrible battery life and value for money performance, but does generate new unit sales for non-repairable laptops.
I* want* to buy one. But:
- I’m mid cycle with my last laptop; and
- who the hell can afford to buy RAM for a new system these days?!?!
Even if I could afford ram, that doesn’t even mean I can afford a framework laptop. I’ve looked at them every time I’ve thought about buying a laptop, but they’re just so damn expensive and I already have a perfectly good desktop.
I hear you. My philosophy changed about 20years ago when Apple switched to Intel:
Mac laptops are expensive, but I regularly get 4-6 years from them without too much drama if I simply max out the ram when I buy them.
My thinking of my eventual move to Linux full time, a Framework or System76 machine costs similar to a Mac, and use the same Max ram philosophy.
I just wish the build quality was just a bit better for the price, but I’m willing to trade a little for user serviceability…
My problem with apple is that they’re a shitty anti-consumer company, so i won’t ever buy anything from them. (I also just really dislike macos. have to use it for work now and jesus it is awful)
motherfuckers acting like those laptops aren’t five hundred bajillion dollars
So it’s not serving the bottom-feeder market for effectively disposable Windows laptops.
Why should it need to? Serving a niche interest is perfectly valid as long as you’re making enough money at it to be self-supporting. Despite what the line-go-up-at-all-costs advocates think.
this can also work because they will at some point get sold down for lower prices so it’s not like people that can’t afford a new one can’t buy a second hand one. A SH framework will be better than any shitty other laptop in the long run.
They also have a 12" laptop for the lower end market.
When friends or family ask my opinion on what computer to buy, I have two recommendations.
1 - Frame.work with Linux on it
2 - MacbookUnless you’re tight on cash, those are the two best options. Heck, even if you are tight on cash, get a used version of either of the above, you’ll probably do just fine.
Unless you’re REALLY tight on cash, then get an ebay thinkpad and load linux.
Used Thinkpad is also a solid alternative if the power of apple silicon is not needed
Kinda disappointed in the recent Thinkpads since they removed deep sleep and only have sleep to idle which is garbage in my experience. I ended up re-enabling hibernate because it would get less than 8 hours on battery while sleeping and would cook in my bag once put into sleep. The framework (at least the 13 not sure on the pro) still supports deep as far as I’m aware.
Was recently asked for hardware preferences for a new job and my list was basically that. Framework with Linux -> MacBook -> Some other Linux Laptop - Windows.
Overpriced.
