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World War 3 will keep it going!
I’ve heard World War 3 sucks. Can’t wait for World War 4, hope they finally get all the bugs sorted out.
But after ww3, bugs are all that’s left to eat!
Well yes, that’s why we have to sort them out, count them and send them to the frontlines to feed our soldiers! Glorious victory will be ours!
I hear that one’s going digital only. We won’t even own our own grenades anymore
No, actually, that’s the one that’s going to be fought with sticks and rocks (per Einstein)—either because technology has crashed and burned, or because those will be the only weapons anyone can own.
Pay the yearly subscription and save 30% on our SaaS (Stick as a Service)!
and take the economy with it…
Yeah like the last umpteen times this has happened in my lifetime. We live in a society of greed, who knew it would be so unstable?
But this hype is real. Promise! Really real! Or the next one!
See entry level people believe it’s fundamentals. Smarter people understand that it’s reading people and knowing when they’re dumb enough to invest and knowing when to bail before they wise up. So if you think about it in those respects, it is indeed an honest to goodness “real” thing. People are really being ripped off by con-artist.
But yeah, the days of the 1890s to 1930s of structured investment, measured risk, and mitigation of the unforeseen, those days are dead. There aren’t market fundamentals outside of being able to identify rubes.
Yeah wow hey maybe you should have fucking listened to everyone who’s been saying that for goddamn YEARS.
I’ve put all my money in pogs so I should be ok.
Uhh, bottle caps are the future.
Nuka-cola is hard to come by here tho.
I’ve wondered … are the bottlecaps radioactive?
How does that work out when you have a pocketful next to your nuts?You joke, but you can buy it. Jones Soda makes it. That said, it’s not worth buying except to keep the bottles as collectibles.
In-game, no they aren’t radioactive. Most of the wasteland somehow isn’t radioactive enough to set off a gieger counter. Yet a lot of the fresh meat and produce are radioactive. Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me.
I quit drinking soda years ago as I got older and needed to cut shit that was making me fat.
I will (like every other year) occasionally have a Mountain Dew or a Sprite.
Soda is lovely stuff, but its definitely radioactive.
I’d try slurm. Once. Ain’t putting the bottlecap next to my nuts tho.
Not played those games but to be fair in a nuclear wasteland you would expect fresh meat and vegetables to be more radioactive than the general environment. Animals and plants can accumulate radioactive fallout, if it’s diffuse in the soil it can be more concentrated in whatever lives off that soil. Radioactive contamination often consists of caesium-137 which behaves like potassium, and strontium-90 which behaves like calcium, so you’re getting screwed by conventional biochemistry as much as nuclear physics.
This is a concern in the Chernobyl exclusion zone even now, there’s mushrooms and other forage that must be avoided for this reason.
You can have sex without worry!
About as radioactive as your pants.
I don’t have any money. Crash away. Fuck it.
Yeah, some of us don’t have much money to begin with lol
Same with the GFC, 2007. I was broke, and did not even notice.
Sold everything with massive profit early July. Even if it doesn’t crash, I’m happy.
The scumbags are getting better at making sure they end up rich when it happens. The only important thing from their point of view.
Please do. I’m tired of reading PKD novels, they’re more fun happening IRL.
So the top 7 companies hedged their entire futures on something unsustainable? In the last 12 months Oracle already laid off over 50,000 employees to bottom-line their AI goals (30,000 ish and 21,000ish a couple weeks ago).
Are we at the point of stocking up on materials and pulling $$ from banks for the inevitable collapse?
LFG
Well, ehm… Worldwide or “just” the US economy who build up on this shit the last year or so?
Not sure how the follow up impact will be on other countries, but first of, the US will be fucked
Not having to pay crazy security contract or having to pay extraordinary amount or use Chinese/open sources models
I wonder if we will be able to get GPUs and RAM for reasonable prices afterwards.
I wonder if we’ll be able to get food at reasonable prices afterwards
Asking the real questions…
Eh. I know how to hunt. I don’t know how to manufacture GPUs and RAM.
This is going to be a mix of the 2000 Crash and the 2008 Crash.
mix
You misspelled multiplication
Possibly even compounding, considering that there are more than just a Tech Stocks bubble and Realestate bubble at the moment (though those 2 are the largest) and any one blowing will probably cause the rest to blow.
On the “upside”, the Tech Stocks bubble is mainly in the US and countries with semiconductors as a large fraction of their Economy, such as South Korea.
When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose.
Bob Dylan
Dylan has more good advice here, when it comes to bubbles you don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows!
I have hundreds of thousands of dollars to lose if the market pops lucky for time is on my side. This feels like the dot com bubble
I didn’t know Bob Dylan was poor! /s
He was at one point in his life.
I thought I was going to learn something new, but he just seems to have done the regular job search that many artists do? He had a stable family with a house and so on, didn’t live on the street or anything. Struggled the first year to get contracts for what I read but that’s about it.
Yeah, I guess poor is over stating it. Not rich maybe.
Listen, I work IT at a managed service provider, which means I see a dozen + small to medium business environments daily.
The number of users that I know of, out of the hundreds or thousands that I support, who are actively using “AI” continually to do their jobs… Well, I can likely count them on one hand
There’s a bunch that use whatever free tool they are allowed to access. Which kind of flies under the radar for me, but I still don’t think you’re dealing with double-digit percentages of people using “AI” that actually spend any money on it.
And these are business users, who work at businesses with rather deep pockets at times…
People are not buying the product. “AI” in the business world, isn’t making any money. So from what I’ve seen, this is less a matter of if, and more a matter of when and how bad.
As a tech person, I am not threatened by AI. It can’t do my job. Also, I’m the one who fixes it when things go wrong. And the only thing I’m looking forward to is being able to pick up cheap RAM, and storage when this all comes crashing down as AI companies cash out and liquidate their inventory. Maybe I can pick up a cheap AI server and repurpose it to be a 3D/gaming virtual desktop, so when my friends come over with their cheap laptops and on board graphics for a LAN party, I can just provision them a virtual gaming computer and we can go ham…
I’m going to save my sheckles until then…
I have limited experience with the market but I see it this way: anyone with AI holdings should liquidate at their earliest convenience. I don’t think they’ll be keeping up this charade for a lot longer. Anyone who has tech holdings, either cash out, or be prepared to have that money held up for a while because it will take a long time for the prices to recover, and unless you want to cash out at a loss, you’re going to be holding for a long time. Everyone else, hold onto your butts. Probably everything will probably dip when the fecal matter hits the rotary air movement device. Non tech areas of the market should recover pretty quickly, so meh?
This is obvious to me that the whole thing has failed. That realization hasn’t hit execs yet.
AI chips arnt usable for personal use though, they seem to be limited to be used by the AI datancenters and not your computers
some AI coprocessors, you’re right. they can’t be used.
Most of what nVidia is offering, while lacking display outputs, can still be used for gaming/VDI/vGPU use, and in general aren’t particularly bad at it, usually quite the opposite. might take a bit of work to get them going, and nVidia hasn’t made it easy with their whole licensing thing. Putting aside the challenges, it’s usually possible to adapt their SXM datacenter GPU modules to work with more common frameworks like PCIe, and then utilize those as virtual GPUs in a virtual desktop. This is not dissimilar to what they’re doing with the geforce now platform.
The big benefit of the chips is that they come with loads of memory, so cutting them up as a vGPU is actually a really optimal use-case. Most games are memory limited, which is to say they need more memory than most GPUs have, so the limit in performance is from the memory limitations, not the graphics processing limitations.
The AI processors that are GPU based, like almost everything that nvidia is using, can mostly be repurposed, but those that are ML-only, like AI coprocessors that show up in CPUs like the AI optimized CPUs from AMD and Intel, can’t really be re-used, but they’re usually not released as a standalone product. Those may still be able to perform physics processing offloads… so maybe not useless? I’m not sure.
Not strictly, there are usualy hurdles to overcome for home usage of datacentre tech, but it’s possible.
An easy example that comes to mind is that the datacentre GPU’s might have cooling configurations that rely on a large amount of airflow from the surrounding cabinet, which you’ll get in a datacentre, but not so much in a personal tower.
Also, noise, in a datacentre, noise is much less of an issue than in a personal computer, so they can eschew noise reduction in favour of performance.
Many people that live near data-centres would disagree, but i mean strictly from a usage point of view, not a broader community perspective.
Not strictly, there are usualy hurdles to overcome for home usage of datacentre tech, but it’s possible.
The hurdles are basically insurmountable with the hardware released after 2024.
The NVL72 for the Blackwell generation cost about $3 million and takes up a single server rack. The power consumption is about 130 kW, and most configurations require dedicated plumbing for the liquid cooling.
To put things in perspective, a residential electrical hookup is usually 50A or 100A for a house, with recommendations that anyone who is going to be charging electric cars should have 100A service. 100A at 240V is 24 kW.
So one server rack uses as much power as the maximum electrical capacity of 5 homes. You’ll never be able to pull that off in an actual residential environment.
Oh, and the newest 2026 generation, the Rubin NVL72s, use something like 230 kW of electrical power, almost twice as much as the previous 2024 generation.
i was talking more of the prosumer and close to prosumer units that could theoretically be retrofitted or housed in homelabs.
If datacentres went down en-masse i’d assume there’d be mix of hardware generations there.
Damn though, i didn’t know anything about the stuff you just mentioned, so my estimates of what could be available/usable are probably way off.
Now i have to go and do a deep dive, thanks.
