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Democrats still be gaslighting people who did not want to vote for their 5000th corporate stooge.
“Project 2025 is fine because democrats aren’t great” - that’s what you sound like. You can hate FPTP and fight to get rid of it, once you’ve turfed the fascists out.
You can get rid of it by voting for corporate stooges who love it?
This entire idea is based on a false premise that you somehow hold any political power AFTER voting.
You’re an idiot if you don’t vote, you’re a robot if you do, you can’t win either way.
By not voting, you’re giving up your rights before you’ve even lost them, all cause you’ve convinced yourself that you’re gonna lose anyway
I don’t understand Americans, there must be appetite for a third option and yet whenever a third option is presented virtually no one votes for them.
All of this is very easy when you accept the Americans are fucking morons.
Worse still, the people with the most power to oppose it (the DNC leadership) are STILL functionally shrugging, when not actively going along with it!
The likes of Schumer and Jeffries are as useful as tits on a tractor and need to be deposed ASAP.
Americans are too self-centered to care about little things like, oh, what kind of world we’re going to be.
FYI, most non-US citizens of Lemmy wants US citizens to fight and die to secure the marginally better rights they have but didn’t have to fight for because it was won by their ancestors who were weighting them against must grimer fates. They know they wouldn’t risk death in the same situation. However, they think we are stupid enough to get bullied into it by them.
They will also do exactly nothing to help and will provide no useful suggestions. If it is any consolation, the US is large and influencial enough that we will all go down together.
I got laughed at and called paranoid and alarmist before Trump was re-elected when I talked about project 2025 and how terrifying it was.
One day in the summer before the election I had an interaction at work with a member of the public. An older white gentleman from a conservative area that has a lot of racists. He started talking to me and bringing the conversation around to politics, and I was mentally bracing myself to grit my teeth and remain professional. He told me how he was a lifelong Christian and then he surprised the living fuck out of me. He actually teared up and asked if I had heard of Project 2025. When I told him I had he said that it scared him so badly, that they were laying out how they wanted to oppress and kill his fellow Americans just because they were different and he was terrified that it was going to be enacted and that he didn’t believe in any of that and wanted to stand up against it and would not vote for it.
I think about him every once in awhile and wish we had more people like him in this country.
I wish more people understood that there are good Christians out there. I’m not christian myself but one of my best friends is. And not one of those who just say they are but don’t follow any of it. He goes to church every week, waited until marriage and spent one year after high school studying theology full time. And he is one of the nicest people I know. One of his best friends is a trans woman who lives in a polycule and he has no problem with it.
The worst Christians are the ones who don’t listen to their own scripture. It litteraly says right in the new testament, dozens of times, that you shouldn’t judge. Judgment is a sin.
I contend that the truly devout should rather denounce their religion so as to not provide cover for monsters who pretend in vain to be something they are not.
But that’s very reductive of me as well, I’m sure it does enough good in some way, but I find it hard to believe in any sort of invisible almighty benevolent figure that has all the power in the universe, and yet we live in a world where if they were real, I couldn’t help but think they are cruel at best.
It’s literally one of their ten commandments (using the Lord’s name in vain). They changed the meaning of it to mean “don’t say Jesus Christ out loud” it’s so fucking stupid.
They’re not good Christians
They’re good people despite Christianity
Exactly this
Really sucks that the us right wing has no opposition to speak of
Don’t worry, they have the center right wing to keep them in check.
Well that’s what we are trying to change with these progressive candidates coming through into the midterms :)
people really still fall for this 🥲
Sure they do, there’s the slightly more and slightly less right wing.
It’s depressing to see how far along it is: https://project2025.observer/
Agree to disagree - it’s only depressing if you pay attention to reality! (/s)
Dems at the convention when they see Pro-Palestine protestors outside.
But her laugh
It was the explicit support for genocide and the tacit support for transphobia that made me dislike her.
I don’t blame anybody with family in Palestine refusing to vote for her.
I think Trump is the perfect candidate to destroy the Clintonian Democratic party, because their entire goal is to be The Lesser of Two Evils. They want to press right up to the Republicans like it’s a tango, and tell everybody “look, I’m not as bad as him, vote for me!”
Trump pulled Harris so far out with him that her own voters didn’t recognize themselves in her platform. She wanted more wars, more violent policing, more surveillance, more queer phobia entrenched into law, more uneven tax system. She had no policies that I approved of that didn’t take a paragraph to explain.
Complete malpractice.
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Trump literally said he wanted to turn the entire area into a parking lot and hotels.
Harris was a bit wishy washy on the subject.
But hey, at least we went with the greater of two evils. Horay for the maybe .001% of the population with family in Palestine. At least in the long run, they will have a nice resort to stay at while visiting the graves of their families.
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This must be so annoying for you
graves
Wouldn’t count on that one.
Biden literally did a genocide, no matter how wonky you make the letters, scumbag.
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Stop belittling opposition to genocide just because you are incapable of loving anything else.
Trump literally said he wanted to turn the entire area into a parking lot and hotels.
That’s what Ben-Gvir, and other Israeli ultranationalists want. They’d still want that even if Harris were President. I just don’t see the evidence that her adminstration would be pushing back on that, given that Democratic leaders are still voting to send foreign aid to Israel.
(I’m not trying to defend the fascist regime, but I think truth matters.)
I mean, my point is, both choices were bad for Palestine on some level. One choice was demonstably terrible, for literally everyone, everywhere.
And for some reason (idiots, racists) we picked the terrible option.
The reason is kind of important, no? You can shrug and say idiots and racists, but that’s far from the whole story, not really even the primary reason. A big piece of it is people feeling disengaged from politics, which is understandable, since U.S. policy hasn’t reflected the will of the people for almost 50 years now.
More or less telegraphing that “I will not listen to what you want” and “I support evil but have the decency to feel bad about it” (like on Gaza, for example) is not a great way to motivate people in this environment.
Look, I don’t live in the US but there is usually a side that is a lot worse than the other. Holier than thou attitudes of “but the better side wasn’t as good as I wanted so I let the worse side get into power” is basically being part of an apocalyptic cult. It’s pathetic. You could still oppose everything you oppose now but with a better baseline. Yeah I want my left politicians to be better in certain topics—some that impact me a lot personally and I can still be an advocate for those things—it doesn’t mean I implicitly support the extreme right here getting into power.
Look I donated to and voted for Harris, and urged others to do the same.
But I’m not in the turd polishing business, and that’s what Democrats expect their base to do, over and over again.
But remember that bOtH sIdEs SaMe, at least according to some. Sorry, I know it’s heartbreaking to keep saying that, but it’s true (that people say that). Some people say things that are going to legitimately get millions (billions even?) of people killed, and entire nations (already) toppled. Just so we can eventually become more open to becoming “communist” like… (checks notes) North Korea.
Mind you, I doubt that they actually believe it, but they do keep saying it nonetheless.
I am reminded that a deer freezing upon being confronted with headlights is actually a somewhat decent evolutionary strategy: moving would draw immediate attention to them, especially against a backdrop that they can blend into. And if they get caught and eaten well… at that point it was basically inevitable anyway, so some slim chance at avoiding that gruesome end is better than an even tinier, basically non-existent one.
Which side is anti genocide in the middle east? Which side is anti war?
Your foreign policy is uniparty, and it features exclusively death and destruction of millions of civilians.
Death to America.
Which side is anti genocide in the middle east? Which side is anti war?
Good point, let’s reelect the convicted rapist pedophile
It is true that people say it, but it’s far more true that they are such a trivial number of people that like North Korea that the fact that they come up so frequently in these conversations feels like such a misplace of energy.
If you want to criticized someone for being deer in the headlights of project 2025, maybe consider the democratic establishment, that watched idly by while republicans broke norms, and arguably laws, to pack the supreme court. Inventing new conventions for reasons why they can’t cede a single seat as the unelected body of supreme rule found radical new ways to insert themselves into established law.
All while keeping the facade that the courts are a neutral body that simply arbitrates, and that their decisions are in good faith.
The next step is realizing that Obamacare, Build Back Better, and pretty much every “win” from the “resistance” is written by or re-packaged from the exact same group of people.
The ACA was never what was really wanted, ever, but it did make a difference for many people. So many that even conservatives will say they hate Obamacare, but the government better not touch their ACA. They are so close to getting it, yet never will. And we almost didn’t get the “terrible” ACA, so imagine where we’d be. It’s not a win, but it’s not a lose either. It was a compromise with conservatives to get some improvements while the door was open for getting the votes, and that slammed shut the rest of his two terms. (thanks Mr. zombie Mitch)
it did make a difference for many people
By what metric?
I hear it repeated a lot with many anecdotal examples and rationalizations but by every quantifiable metric healthcare post 2010 is much worse than before.
Just the pre-existing conditions rule alone is huge. The wikipedia article is a good resource vs. just anecdotal, and it looks like the general opinion is the ACA was just a start and people wanted more adjustments to make it better. Republicans of course voted over 60 times to try and repeal it, without ever offering anything better.
The metrics you’re talking about might not be from the ACA effects, but from other issues hitting the health care industry over time. There’s mention of lots more people becoming insured with the act with a surge in doctor visits, but then later years that dwindled because the facilities couldn’t support the demand because of closures or not enough staff. That’s not the ACA.
Lol. Shit hole country.
the pre-existing conditions rule alone is huge.
Which has had what effect?
Better health outcomes for those with “pre-existing conditions”? Because that isn’t the case, and unless diabetes suddenly changed to be more aggressive and deadly I don’t see any externalities that would explain the data. Do you?
Better financial outcomes? There was a small period between 2013-2018 where this was arguably true, for specific people. But it does show in general trends enough to maybe be true for a time.
The metrics you’re talking about might not be from the ACA effects, but from other issues hitting the health care industry over time.
Yes, and disentangling those is hard. However, the implicit assumption you’re starting from is that the externalities were significantly greater. I would agree that is somewhat true for COVID and it’s downstream effects, but there isn’t anything else I can really point to. Do you have something?
that dwindled because the facilities couldn’t support the demand because of closures or not enough staff. That’s not the ACA.
You sure? Because I can draw a pretty straight line between the ACA and private equity gutting healthcare facilities for the tax credits and direct payments that were promised by the heritage foundation.
The ACA was never what was really wanted
We sure about that? Seems the people in control of the party were quite pleased to pass it and nothing more. Also, how many times can Democrats pre-compromise then compromise again before people get suspicious?
