If you really want to upset people, tell them becoming a vegetarian is one of the most effective ways to reduce your contribution to climate change.
eating meat doesn’t contribute to climate change. all the environmental problems with meat are in the production, not it’s consumption.
If product isn’t purchased, that demand is not there. Supply increases alongside it, and prices drop with profits. Eventually the supply gets lowered by manufacturers to increase market value.
lots of people avoid meat. meat production continues to increase every year. the problem isn’t with eating
- a vast majority of the population isn’t vegetarian
- a very small percentage of them become vegetarian
- people have children
- population grows and meat consumption increases because of basic math
- hans@feddit.org: HOW COULD THIS BE??? Meat industry conspiracy!!!
this is a straw man. it’s bad faith
- lots of people avoid meat.
- meat production continues to increase every year.
- the problem isn’t with eating
Literally word for word what you said. Basic math disproves this. 100 people in the world, 10 are vegetarian, meat industry needs to feed 90 meat eaters. Each person has 2 kids, all children of vegetarians are magically vegetarians. Now there are 300 people. Let’s say 50 of those meat eaters go vegetarian (way more percentage wise than in reality) The meat industry has to provide food for 220 meat eaters. Meat industry get bigger.
This is a strawman
You have no idea what that means, apparently. Something you don’t like hearing doesn’t make it a straw man.
There are a thousand problems with the meat industry, most of the world could and should be vegetarian. I am one. Throwing one liners around that is blatantly incorrect doesn’t help the cause. It actively hurts it when people see through the bullshit and think then the idea behind it is bad.
the meat industry doesn’t need to provide anything. they choose to do that. eating meat doesn’t cause more to be produced.
you seem to understand that being vegetarian hasn’t actually reduced the amount of meat produced, and you haven’t disputed that the environmental issues are from the production. you’re just angrily agreeing with me.
Gibberish.
illiteracy can be solved.
By this logic, extracting oil doesn’t contribute to climate change.
you don’t even have to go vegan, just dropping beef is great and if you also drop pork you’ve nuked a whole lot of emissions
lots of people have done this. meat production continues to increase
Yeah, because most people refuse to do this and would rather die than be even slightly inconvenienced.
regardless of your excuse, just choosing not to eat meat hasn’t actually helped save the planet.
Of course it has helped. It may not have reduced the global meat consumption, because sadly there is still an increase through other people, but it has definitely reduced the current overall meat consumption in comparison to the scenario of this person having continued to eat meat.
Who knows how many of the people who have contributed to this consumption increase have considered reducing but decided that their actions don’t matter anyway?
it has definitely reduced the current overall meat consumption in comparison to the scenario of this person having continued to eat meat.
this can’t be proven. what makes you think more meat could possibly have been produced?
As I’ve talked of consumption, not production, it is basically self-evident.
Sure, individual choices don’t matter. My choice to wear a mask couldn’t stop COVID either.
What matters are collective choices, made as a society. If everyone stopped eating meat, it would help.
But they won’t. They’d rather die.
As if the consumer side of things is a meaningful amount compared to corporations and goverments.
Is someone counting how much pollution the stupid war in Iran and the Gaza genocide is producing? No? Obviously not, they only care that I eat cheap steak every once in a while and drive my combustion car under 7k km a year.
As if the consumer side of things is a meaningful amount compared to corporations and goverments.
Please stop this nonsense, corporations in particular are responding to our consumption habits:
Replacing 1m petrol cars with EVs could cut Australia’s reliance on foreign fuel by 1bn litres a year
And that’s Australia alone, how many litres would we save by all countries switching to EV’s?
Governments are held to the values of their constituents in most countries, if you elect an anti-renewables clown that’s definitely on the people!
Is someone counting how much pollution the stupid war in Iran and the Gaza genocide is producing?
I like how Lemmy users can’t go 5 minutes without bringing up Gaza but in terms of Iran yes!
China’s carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions fell by 1% in the second quarter of 2026, as oil consumption plummeted amid the strait of Hormuz crisis.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-chinas-co2-emissions-fall-in-q2-2026-due-to-plummeting-oil-use
How the energy crises of the 2020s speed up the electric age
https://ember-energy.org/latest-insights/the-new-twin-fossil-shock/
It’s very likely thanks to Dickfingers and Putin we are looking at peak oil
“Australia’s dramatic electric U-turn: “Everyone knows someone with an EV””
Switching to EV’s is impractical for everybody that either can’t afford it or can’t install a home charger, and a billion other cases. Your statements are ridiculous.
Sure switch the new production cars to EV’s, whatever, but until I see a 2000 euro EV available to buy that isn’t more of a shitbox than my 2001 car, I’m not switching anyrhing.
And that fantasy is never happening. An EV that costs as much as my car will never exist and not be a POS. Even if I factor in fuel savings.
EV’s are good but you all gotta stop getting so wet for them as if the whole green EV talk isn’t ultimately just pushed by automakers that sell them easier because of the constant guilt tripping of ICE car owners.
Hello!
can’t install a home charger
You do not need a home charger for an EV
until I see a 2000 euro EV available to buy that isn’t more of a shitbox than my 2001 car, I’m not switching anyrhing
Ok?
