God was also pissed off at all those gay plants and animals out there doing disgusting same-phylum marriages and stuff.
Because the non-human animals are irrelevant. Christianity is centered around the idea that humans are above nature.
This is true. A very Christian coworker of mine told me that god put animals(as well as plants and the rest of the earth) here for us to use as we wish. He liked to kill animals(hunt) just to blow off steam. Crows were one of his favorites because, “They’re always in season”.
He also once told me the earth is six thousand years old and I laughed in his face, thinking he was kidding around. When he assured me he was not kidding I told him I’ve never before met someone stupid enough to believe that shit.
I’m certain he ended up being a MAGA.
Crows … always in season".
Know what else is also always in season? Crow hunters. The hard part is finding them.
It should be noted that Noah and the Ark came from the Old Testament, before Christianity was ever a thing. In this case, it’s the Abrahamic religions you have issue with, in addition to Christianity. 😊
And they stole it from the Epic of Gilgamesh
Relatedly, it wasn’t an uncommon belief that some animals could just pop into existence under the right circumstances. Like mice and bats in caves or discarded fabric, respectively. “Whatever, their spawn conditions are abundant.” Like mobs in an MMO
Why didn’t god make the ark himself? Why didn’t god just smite only the people he thought were fucked up? Why did he basically do the same shit twice (the first time being saving Lot’s family and destroying Soddam and Gomorrah)?
Because it’s fiction written by multiple authors sometimes hundreds of years apart.
The flood’s just ripped off from Gilgamesh. Most of Genesis is just plagerised tales from ancient Mesopotamia.
That’s because the flood likely actually happened. As a result of global warming.
Only that time, humans didn’t cause global warming, and therefore it wasn’t a punishment for our sins. This time though…
Nah. Every time the world’s flooded from a warmer climate, it lasts minimum a few thousand years. The cycles are sloooow.
No. When reservoirs burst, you had sudden flooding events.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/12/041220010147.htm
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0025322797000078
Why didn’t god just smite only the people he thought were fucked up?
In the story sin was so widespread that Noah and his family were basically the only ones left that were free from sin. And if you see sin as a cancer spreading and rapidly taking over, it’s easier to euthanize and begin anew. One could imagine that if the world was allowed to keep going then sin would only get worse and humanity would just keep getting more and more depraved and miserable. Now god as an omnipotent being should have been able to predict all of this, which is a giant plot hole in the story. But despite that I don’t think it’s too unreasonable. It’s like if you built a rabbit house but it turns out all the rabbits (except a couple) get rabies and all start biting each other. Better to euthanize everyone and start over.
Why did he basically do the same shit twice (the first time being saving Lot’s family and destroying Soddam and Gomorrah)?
Well there it was extremely clear that Sodom and Gomorrah did not have a single non sinner left. That’s kind of the main plot point in that story. Abraham tries to save the cities by negotiating with god that if he finds just 50 righteous people god won’t destroy the cities. This is negotiated down and down until god promises that he will save the cities if just 10 righteous persons are found. Abraham finds no one except for Lots family hence the cities are destroyed, after Lot and his family were rescued.
it’s easier
If you’re all powerful, no it’s not.
God can be all powerful and lazy at the same time. I know I would be lazy if I were a god.
There is no such thing as lazy when you are infinite. That’s not how infinites work. All things are equally difficult and are as difficult as nothing.
Appreciate the insight based on the lore! You have a negative score at the time of my reply, but you make good points based the book(s)! Upvote from this agnostic!
Noah and his family were basically the only ones left that were free from sin
What about the Original Sin? I thought we are all sinners, no matter what?
And his whole family just happened to be great, while every single other person was terrible? Guess there were no ‘black sheep’ in Noah’s family, huh?
My favorite theory is that it’s a myth from when the Bosporus opened and flooded the Black Sea.
Ending up near mount ararat would make sense.
Don’t try to apply logic like that, there is no logic.
It’s more likely to be a myth based on merely a heavy shower that became exaggerated over time.
The only truth to the Bible is like Harry potter was at a train station that actually exist in London. That does not make Harry Potter based on reality. In the same way some commonly known things in the Bible actually existed. But everything else is made up 100%.Remember the Ark also had unicorns!
Yes a rainy day exist, but that’s about it.No, there IS logic. No matter how silly religious goons are, NEVER dismiss anthropology.
These might be corrupted stories, but they have been carried down through history. To completely dismiss it just because some fools take allegory literally is to choose ignorance of human history.
Or just disregarding superstition without evidence.
You can disregard all of the superstitious beliefs people derive from it and still see it for the epic from history that it is. Just like people still read and study the Epic of Gilgamesh without believing all the fantasy aspects. Or Greek mythology, etc.
You don’t have to believe the superstitions to never the less be able to find great anthropological value.
You can disregard all of the superstitious beliefs people derive from it and still see it for the epic from history that it is.
That’s like trying to learn about London by reading Harry Potter.
No you can’t, because nothing in the Bible is trustworthy, the Bible is not a historically accurate document.There is no platform 9 3/4 in the Kings Cross railway station, despite the clear description of it in Harry Potter, and in the exact same way the historical descriptions of the bible are highly unreliable. So any truth value has to be determined from other sources than the bible. Which means the bible is irrelevant even detrimental for such studies.
You can read the bible as a book of fiction nothing more.
lol OK just ignore most of how history is studied then… Genuinely ignorant attitude you have. Pathetic.
Yeah but it’s fun and fun is more fun than logic. Especially with inconsequential bullshit like this.
Now if you’ll excuse me I’m having a deep conversation with a blue jay which logically can’t happen but I’m gonna to enjoy it anyway.
Especially with inconsequential bullshit like this.
I wish it was inconsequential. Grown adults believe this nonsense is literally true, and they vote.
I’m a grown adult who talks to birds and I vote.
Your conversation with that bird is more real that anything in that book.
Except for that time all those kids got eaten by that bear that shit was lit.
I bet the tales of genocide in the Old Testament happened, too.
A bit less lit, though
A large part of the Biblical version is a copy-paste of the Sumerian myth (like a lot of the mythological parts of the Bible), which was only centered on the area of the city of Shuruppak. And we know that there were a few big events of the Euphrates flooding severely (Mesopotamian floods are a lot more destructive and unpredictable than the Niles), and one flood event in particular, dated around 2900 BCE, largely destroyed Shuruppak and a couple other cities in the area (they got better).
The Black Sea deluge hypothesis is popular but that rise was spread over a few thousand years, there was no sudden flood, no one was surprised.
I bet the people that wrote the Bible had no knowledge of those events.
The period of the Babylonian captivity, when they were brought to Babylon as prisoners and stayed several decades through the 6th c. BCE before being freed by Cyrus II, is likely a point where they brought a lot of Babylonian culture back to Jerusalem. Plus, the god of the Bible comes from two origins, Yahweh and El, the latter being a storm god that had a lot of cultural osmosis in the entire second millennium BCE, being associated with Enlil and Baal, through whom the Sumerian and Akkadian stories did get around. So there’s definitely a part where some of those stories made their way into Canaanite culture by themselves, then the Hebrews and Jews, naturally over several centuries to become their own ancestral culture, and a part where the Jews brought back and adopted Babylonian stories when they returned from the exile. We can tell because of the narrative / writing style and the variations that we can find, we can date when some of those stories appeared.
In the case of the Flood story, the text has too many similarities, identical lines, to not be straight up copy-pasted from Babylonian texts after the exile - but even then, there’s a couple variations of the Biblical story that does suggest they already had a memory of that story in their own culture (40 days or 7 days, that sort of details). It’s fairly likely that they simply considered that those stories were about the same god as their El, in the same way the Greeks would go “oh, you have a god of thunder too? I bet his name is Zeus. I like your story about Zeus.” And really, they’re not wrong, since they do have the same origin, they are in fact the same god, branching into many cultures across Mesopotamia over a couple millennia.
So no, they definitely didn’t know anything about the actual event that inspired the deluge story (you can tell by how it’s all an abstract threat to them, because the Jordan river doesn’t flood anything like the Euphrates, compared to the real threat and pain of exile), but they knew about the story of the deluge.
Thanks very informative. I still believe you can analyze this shit to hell, and all you end up with is no actual knowledge of what the fuck is true or false. They are basing it on stories passed down through generations without knowing if they are true or merely allegories. When they turn out to be actually true, it is more coincidence than anything else.
That’s why I don’t really care if there was some event that was the basis for the stories in the Bible, because it’¨s irrelevant. The only thing that matters is the superstition surrounding it, not the truth of it.
I found it funny that no kangaroos were mentioned, because Australia hadn’t been discovered at that time.
Noah: “WTF is that?!”
God: “Something called a gorilla. They’re pretty cool, but no need to mention them ever.”
Noah: but what about all of the paramecia?
God: The what now?
Noah: ugh, nevermind.
what kind of sick fuck creates a species knowing it will have to ‘punish’ innocent versions of them?
What kind of sick fuck knowingly creates a world where not only baby rape exists but he knows the intimate details of every baby rape before he even instantiates the reality of it?
My parents
God is an ugly drunk. Some of his benders last for centuries.
The animals know what they did.
And don’t forget, he’s got unlimited power and can do anything.
He could have killed only the wicked humans, just snapping them out of existence Thanos-style. But nah. He felt like doing it in a way that would painfully kill trillions of innocent animals as well.
Genocidal psychopath does genocidal psychopath things.
For real, Yahweh is a psychopathic demon who eventually won the PR wars thousands of years ago.
Given that most people on Earth have no problem with animals dying, and in fact depend on it for daily nourishment, I don’t feel like this meme makes much of a point.
People kill animals to eat, not punish them.
Imagine if people gave death penalty to all animals in a zoo because one employee happened to be a murderer.
Don’t forget the unborn fetuses.
God - highest abortion count in all of history.
Plenty of babies and young children as well. But those were wicked babies who deserved to die, right?
They don’t count. Pro-life stops at birth.
Republicans would have livestreamed it.
Philosoraptor survives the ages with the hard questions.
Cause they havent accepted Jesus as their lord and savior from what Jesus is going to do to them if they don’t accept him as their lord and savior
Must have been paradise for the crocodiles
Because they were also having loud sex without being married
I think the actual Biblical answer is that animals don’t have true souls like humans. They have a different, lesser souls, like plants, which is why it’s not a sin to kill and eat them. So, God killing all the animals is like chopping down a tree that might to fall on your house: sad, but sometimes necessary.
