Yeah and I advise you to fuck off
Harris said Democrats should be “uncompromising” and “not sit around, you know, being genteel about the relationships” but maintain accountability when it comes to cuts to healthcare and oversight on the Iran war.
Ok so now Dems are ok with this war? Am I the only one who still thinks Trump blatantly started a war without congressional approval and should be impeached for it?
Maintain accountability for healthcare cuts? Are they saying that austerity is coming back even stronger and they want to use Trump as a shield for their right wing agenda ?
Class traitors all of them…
No, she’s saying that instead of doing more impeachments (which might grab headlines but are otherwise entirely useless when there will not be a conviction) Democrats should focus on things that they can actually influence in a positive way.
In a sane world where results matter more than vibes, it’s a good idea. But as you can see by the comments in this post, vibes are way more important than actual results.
How can Democrats influence either of those things? The war is illegal, the recourse is impeachment. Healthcare is legislation. The same senators that will deny a supermajority for impeachment will deny overriding a veto.
They could put pressure on the people that don’t have global name recognition and cult-like devotion from a third of the country, not to mention probable dementia and bulletproof narcissism.
To do what?
To stop doing whatever Republicans want them to do?
How does that pass healthcare changes over a veto? The people stopping these concrete actions are the Republicans. While we 100% need to not have any Democratic traitors. That doesn’t override a veto.
The war is illegal, the recourse is impeachment.
Well, you don’t understand how Congress works.
First, Congress decides if we go to war or not. They tried to pass legislation stopping it, but the Republicans had enough power to stop that legislation.
Second, impeachment is NOT the recourse. Impeachment is a strictly political process (not judicial), where if two thirds of each chamber of Congress wants Trump gone, they vote him gone. That’s what it boils down to. And since there’s not two thirds of each chamber wanting him gone, he will not be going using that method.
I understand that people want things to magically happen, but the only way things magically happen is if the people get out on the streets and force them to happen. I want a winning lottery ticket and a pony, but wanting that shit ain’t gonna do shit. I have to know how to make it happen.
I guess I’m just unhappy with the overall situation. It sets the precedent that a president cannot be impeached if they have a majority in the senate.
I also believe that there would be a threshold at which the rats would leave the sinking ship: given trumps ratings, the process of impeachment would turn a few cloaks. But Harris is a better politician that I am, she must know this is not the time.
Same. Although I think this is less setting precedent and more revealing reality…media consolidation has made presidents immune to consequences if they are not up against a supermajority.
Although I’ve also noticed a trend to the same thing in (ostensibly) democratic voters, specifically with stuff like the Epstein files. Egregious legal violations have become so normalized by the GOP that people are pissed the Democrats do, in fact, still follow laws instead of just leaking shit that has been sealed by a federal judge.
Unfortunately, I think trumpy has managed to hit the absolute floor of approval ratings. Roughly a third of any given population is highly authoritarian and will follow any leader that exhibits high social dominance traits. Given an antisocial enough leader, that third of the population will behave in a similarly antisocial way. theauthoritarians.org
It sets the precedent that a president cannot be impeached if they have a majority in the senate.
That is how impeachment has always been.
The US stopped even pretending to care about war crimes in 1999.
We MUST listen to Her! She OBVIOUSLY knows What she’s talking about! THATS why she
Beat Trump and became President! She has GREAT Ideas that Connect with People!Democrats and protecting Republicans from justice, name a better duo.
This is a really misleading headline. To be frank, what she actually said was she doesn’t think they have the resources to properly entertain an impeachment and that they should spend their limited resources on accountability and investigations, something they had the resources to entertain.
I’m no fan of Harris, but let’s actually be accurate.
There does need to be 67 senate votes to convict on impeachment. In investigations of cabinet officials, they could accuse each of them of perjury for disagreeing with 25th amendment mental capacity of Trump. They could recommend to military to do a coup. Budget/war powers can add an impeachment or other containment clauses.
Thanks for the clarity.
Just because we have limited resources, and I think the energy and the resources need to be put into accountability
I’d have to agree that the military would be better served removing the administration than whatever the hell the goal is with Iran.
My state used to caucus and I was always really good at making my point and flipping votes, last one I did was for Sanders v Clinton and I’m sad I won’t get to convince my neighbors not to vote for this dumpster fire of a woman, like girl read the room ffs
Fuck that shit, I want to see way more than just impeachment. A torture rack on CSPAN would do.
Harris doing her best Neville Chamberlin impression…
But I agree. Impeachment won’t work, and it simply isn’t a solution in a corrupt regime. It’s just theater designed to distract you from rioting.
The only solution to a fully corrupted government is revolution.
Agree.
Just fucking shoot him.
Moderates gonna moderate.
Giving big “Nothing will fundamentally change” energy….
“Just because we have limited resources, and I think the energy and the resources need to be put into accountability, need to be put into investigations.”
Limited resources? They don’t have limited resources for fucking ICE.
Harris, along with every other past President and Vice President need to shut the fuck up.
They had four years to investigate Trump for January 6th and get accountability and didn’t. Now is not the time to be dialing down the heat.
They were getting close but then the American voters decided to acquit Trump by voting him in as president again.
Anyone who doesn’t understand that four years isn’t shit when it comes to the most complicated legal case ever in the history of America has to look into it a bit and realize they don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about.
Well the fact he iooenly did everything makes it the most complicated legal case in American history. I feel sorry doe the people.
No it was the fact that he openly committed crimes as president and was investigated for them while he was running to become president again.
Ultimately the American voters decided to acquit him and vote him back into office though.
Especially when you wait the 1st 2 years so your special prosecutor has maybe 1 year to do anything
Also, what’s the point of investigations if we aren’t going to then DO something about the crimes they uncover? Taking impeachment off the table is like a prosecutor saying they aren’t going to convene any grand juries.
Harris, along with every other past President and Vice President need to shut the fuck up.
HA HA BOTH SIDES
Every minute they spend doing their jobs is a minute they aren’t soliciting donations. What they mean is they don’t have the resources to beg for money, pass legislation, AND prosecute Trump at the same time. I know which of those things I don’t consider a priority, but they feel otherwise.
I’m enjoying Obama’s standup routine.
“don’t hold him accountable, we need to conserve resources for accountability.”
Even if they succeeded in forcing him out of office it would leave Vance as President. Unless they can find grounds to impeach him at the same time and also have the majority in the House (Speaker of the House is next in line) and Trump’s crimes are mostly separate from Vance’s
Impeach Trump for the high crimes and misdemeanors of raping children. Make him defend that shit in a public trial. Make John Roberts watch that. Make the senators vote to acquit on that shit.
Ain’t no statute of limitations on impeachment.
And I reckon if there’s a dem majority they can vote to hear witnesses on the floor of the senate.
Make him defend that shit in a public trial.
That is not what impeachment will get you.
It might be literally what is required to prosecute him for crimes he committed while president, according to the SC.
Requesting a source for that as from everything I can tell, it’s not true.
If it was true, I’d support impeachment, of course.
There are some restrictions. Immunity extends only to “official acts” committed while he is the President.
Concurrently, Trump cannot be prosecuted for crimes while he is sitting in office, but he can be prosecuted after he leaves for non-official acts, and for actions that occurred when he was not in office.
All of the above applies to the regular criminal prosecutions. But impeachment also exists along side. There are basically no rules on what you can charge in impeachment. And it doesn’t invoke double jeopardy with a potential criminal case either.
Considering impeachment WILL NOT lead to removal, this is useless.
I disagree. The utility lies in airing out the evidence of Trump’s pedophilia in a very public setting that will force people to pay more attention than they have so far.
Is it actual law that he can’t be prosecuted while in office? I thought that was just a policy and not actual law.
Like you’re telling me that if the US President kills a guy he won’t be prosecuted for it until he leaves office?
