So it’s going to fail and they’re going to blame Graphene
Looks like it
At least the rumors that it’d be a foldable seem to be wrong.
It’s also initially launching with android 17. The article said that Graphene won’t be ready for it until some time next year. I wonder if the devs are deliberately putting some separation between the hardware launch and OS availability so that they can avoid getting caught up in Motorola’s corporate panic attack when this thing doesn’t sell.
At least the rumors that it’d be a foldable seem to be wrong.
Only priced like one, unfortunately
The foldable is the next one to get support after signature 27.
It doesn’t release with graphene os so that would be stupid, it ships their android.
Not offering a pre-installed GrapheneOS version feels like a misstep. Plenty of people are aware of the brand for security and privacy, and would pay extra to have it pre-installed.
Maybe we will see some re-sellers pop up, but I would prefer direct-from-manufacturer.
Not to mention, they could get the keys right from day one and eliminate (Google’s) “alternate OS is booting” boogieman screen.
Plenty of people are aware of the brand for security and privacy, and would pay extra to have it pre-installed.
This is pure cope, there is no way “plenty of people” are lining up to pay this amount of money for a Motorola phone with a niche operating system.
Not having it support tap to pay basically makes it a non starting for selling it.
The amount of stupid selling a phone with out that feature, while the same phone other times it works basically would just cause endless problems.
Yes people are that stupid
They aren’t shipped with GrapheneOS because the developers of GrapheneOS explicitly don’t want this. They dont want any possibility of some backdoor caused by the manufacturer to bring down their reputation.
It not being shipped with GrapheneOS is on purpose.
Completely wrong target for GrapheneOS. The GrapheneOS demographics, which I belong to, isn’t interested in high-end phones. They want a no nonsense simple phone with lots of storage and security first design.
- fancy AMOLED screen: don’t care
- 5 fancy cameras: don’t care
- super powerful CPU and GPU: don’t care
- storage space: yes please, I have photos and music to store locally!
This will be harmful to GrapheneOS project. It will go like this: no one buys the phone because it’s too damn expensive and full of features the privacy nerds like me don’t care about. Even fewer buy the phone with GrapheneOS pre-installed and it’s a total flop. Motorola stops the partnership saying “we did it and no one wanted it”. No other OEM wants to partner with GrapheneOS after that.
I’d like to have one, but there’s no fucking way a goddamned PHONE is worth $2000
especially today, when updates are so miniscule, I’m in shock when I realize the pixel 7 I got refurbished still works fine, with zero reason to update.
Yep, been doing used pixels for a while now. They’re all the same anyway. I don’t care about the camera.
My kids are dopes and constantly break screens so I’m not about to buy anything nice. We all have the same model and a spare. Broken, eBay screen, bring in the spare, fix the broken one, is now the spare.
You’ll get a new phone when it doesn’t get updates anymore, then you’ll just get the next one up.
Spending more than $300 on a phone is nuts to me. They’re all the same candy bar anyway.
A brand new phone should cost at most 499 US. anything beyond that is good damn stupid.
Personally, I already balked at the size of the screen (~6.8"). The ridiculous price is just the final nail in the coffin.
Mini tablets were 7 inches.
It’s ridiculous; how am I meant to fit something half the size of my dick in my pocket?
How am I meant to fit something seven times the size of my dick in my pocket?
Did you try tucking?
Wait, is this really the size of a nexus 7?
phones have a different aspect ratio than tablets plus the nexus 7 had giant bezels
Fair point on the bezels.
Yeah, I hate that Jeff Bezels guy too!
Just let it hang and sway, let it out bro. This is 🦅 America 🇺🇸, bitches! gunfire, big macs showering from the sky, and jets flying over in formation
(and if you don’t live here then we can bring you some freedom too, and you too can let your freak flag fly)
and if you don’t live here then we can bring you some freedom too
No thanks. I live in a country freer than the US, you guys keep all that to yourselves.
can i come over to play vidya
Sure, just stay for 90 days only.
EDIT : you can smoke the legal weed only if someone gives it to you for free, you can’t buy any.
More big macs for me 😎
Yikes, I hadn’t looked into the screen size until you mentioned it. They seem to be going after the XL / tablet size type of devices, exactly the ones that I avoid. Oh well, maybe they’ll eventually release a phone with a more normal screen size closer to 6.3".
Couldn’t agree more. I’m currently on the Pixel 6a, and in spite of having perfectly average-sized hands, I feel its 6.1" display is unwieldy. 6.8" is just bonkers.
I’d love a giant screen. I miss my nexus 6.
Oh my damn. I expected something expensive, but this is just way above what I expected.
The Graphene developers did say that future plans could entail even broader Motorola support from GrapheneOS, for cheaper models too. Let’s hope this will be the case…
I’m holding out for a 2027 Moto G.
Yeah it seems to boil down to MTE. Only the latest Flagship Qualcomm Gen6 has it (sans tensor).
So until qualcomms midrange offerings start having MTE we’ll be waiting.
Security isn’t for poor people I guess
How brainrotted do you have to be to spend that much on a phone with a sealed in 2-year battery?
Motherfuckers. I would have paid 1k - but that is ridiculous
I have a pixel 10 with 16gb RAM. Nothing has made changing realistic and likely wont for awhile. I hate AI and only wantgOS and a decent camera.
I just refuse to buy anything at these inflated hardware prices due to the AI pandemic.
I’ll just keep all my old tech… Someone is profiting and i’m not getting a better product for it.Agreed. The worst is the components for self hosting and builfing your own gear is also caught in this. Raspberry Pi prices are crazy
Yup. I really need to upgrade my server it’s 4 core xeon from 2016. But it’ll hold out another few years i’m sure!
I got a pi for HA and another for an arr stack. €200 and I got a great price on them pi400 rgb and pi 16gb.
I would love a nuc and get jellyfin on it.
Who are the customers for such a ridiculous thing?
Drug lords
As someone whos grew up on iPhones this feels reasonable for a high end product…
Reasonable is $900. Just because apple made a $2000 phone doesn’t mean everyone does.
I had a Nexus 4 for $300 way back when, and that was mighty premium enough. We’re all getting screwed and there is no savior. The water has been boiling for over a decade.
My current phone cost $500 and it’s more than powerful & capable enough. Android sucks to use but other than that I have no idea why anyone would get anything more expensive unless they need some really good camera.
Android does suck but is superior to iOS. If only linux was realistic on a phone.
Jolla phone, with SailfishOS exists. Mine will be sent out soon!
I’m typing this from my jolla phone right now! It’s definitely not perfect but I’m really happy with it, and it has totally replaced my android phone at this point.
Mine too! The Sept II batch!
I am intrigued for sure, I want to try them out but none of my drawer phones suit it or postmarket.
There a few limitations, banking, camera, car projection. But they are getting better.
Samsung does too, the aim is office workers in European + USA, which gets a new phone sponsored every few years
Is it? It costs more than any (bar-style) iPhone. This is priced less than the Oppo X9 Ultra and Vivo X300 Ultra, similarly to the Samsung Galaxy S26 Ultra and the Xiaomi 17 Ultra, and priced more than the Apple iPhone 18 Pro Max and Google Pixel 11 Pro XL –the problem is the subsect of people who are happy paying this price and cares about privacy are abysmally minute.
This is the normal cost of a new phone no? If I were buying an Iphone or a samsung i’d expect to pay around the same price.
When I bought my just-barely-not-current-gen ipad pro, it was 1100€.
This phone is more than 60% more expensive than that. I can’t imagine buying a mobile device that costs this much
Oh I did not notice that was in Euro. Jesus christ
My phone actually is a Samsung and was around €400. It works fine, and does all things I want my phone to do without any issues. The only improvement I’d care even marginally about would be a better set of cameras, but until they’d actually be on par with my “real” camera that’s not something I’m willing to pay for.
Yeah the current high end Samsung galaxy ultra is about the same price in Australia.
This is marginally more expensive than flagship phones, but it’s not clear how performance will compare.
I wonder how much of this higher price point is due to the lack of partnerships with companies like Google who will harvest information about you through the device.
I was really hoping to pay Motorola somewhere around $800-$1200 for a legit option for GrapheneOS that doesn’t involve Google’s hardware.
But at $1600, I don’t think I can justify that.
€1.900 is $2,133 in American, according to a quick Google ask.
Agreed. Can’t justify spending that on a phone. And unfortunately, many others will feel the same, which will result in low sales and it being declared a failure, putting another nail in the coffin for privacy focused consumer products.
Surely at that price point it is designed to last 8-10 years.
What’s that, it has a glued-in 2 year lithium battery?
That’s really out of my budget. I want a phone with graphene, but I can’t take out a mortgage for it.
Get a used pixel 9a for 1/7 the cost, or a new pixel 10a for around 1/4 of the cost
It’s an option I’ll seriously consider when it’s time to change my device, but I’d also prefer a device where I don’t have to manually change the operating system. I’m neither that much of an expert nor do I have time to spare.
It is honestly pretty painless - unlock boot loader, attach device, give appropriate petmission on phone, run install from browser, verify install, lock boot loader.
That said, a dedicated Grapheme device is so exciting. I am not going to spend ~2k on it tho
This is accurate. I’ve been flashing phones with custom ROMs for years now, and doing it through the browser makes it both dead easy and pretty safe. You no longer need to be a tech shaman to do it. Just follow the instructions and you’re good.
Also, if you don’t like it, you can always go back to stock Android (i.e. what was installed before you started tinkering). It’s pretty painless. So roll up your sleeves and explore!
Graphene turned it into a process where you plug your phone in, and just press the buttons on their website in order. Much better experience than when I tried to fiddle with LineageOS
lineage also recently added something similar actually.
You have to press 3 buttons on their website …
Which only works if you use chrome. What is the overlap between gOS users and chrome users?
There is also an offline flasher? Like if you complain that it is too complex, get chromium, flash it with 3 buttons, remove chromium and be happy. If you are deep enough into everything, that you don’t want to install chromium to flash your device, use the offline installer.
How many Chromium users does GOS have? I don’t know, but their default browser is Vanadium, which is a chromium browser…
Chromium works.
This Motorola comes with regular android so you’d have to manually change this as well
I would say that if installing GOS is too complicated for you, you don’t really need it. De-googling, privacy and security take more effort than just owning a phone with some specific OS. Simply having GOS on your phone is meaningless if you don’t know how to use it properly.
Simply having GOS on your phone is meaningless if you don’t know how to use it properly.
Removing spyware from the phone of a complete non-techie means that non-technie has a spyware-free phone.
Sure, it won’t solve every privacy or security concern, but it outright solves a fuck-ton of privacy and security concerns, regardless of how technical the user is.
I’ve been handing GrapheneOS phones to young or elderly people in my life for several years, with very good results, compared to leaving them on iOS or stock malwared Android.
Yeah the graphene team has done an amazing job of making a privacy/security hardened phone that a regular user would really have to go out of their way to break the security.
Typical user will still install WhatsApp, Instagram, Gmail and Facebook, give them all the permissions and willingly input all their data into them. I really don’t see what the benefit of GOS is here. Setting up alternatives for all those apps is more complicated than installing GOS.
I don’t mean this in an insulting way. If following the instructions to install GrapheneOS is too hard or time consuming for someone, there is not much a GrapheneOS phone can do for that person. The biggest liability to security and privacy will be the user, not the phone.
Yeah until those are no longer supported and these expensive ass Motorolas are the only option BC Google is locking down newer models that won’t be able to have GOS installed eventually.
Well if there at one point is no reasonably priced smartphone for graphene I’ll either go lineage or dumb phone.
It’s locking down newer models. Some models still have 6 years of updates ahead of them. It’s a bit too early to start panicking about it.
Yes, I said they’re slowly locking down the newer models. And yeah, older pixels still have some time. But is this crisis we are in gonna end by the time those pixels lose support or are these Motorolas going to be our only option. That’s all I’m pointing out. Yeah, still a little early to panic but if how things have been lately, I think this is looking to be bad for the average person who doesn’t have a lot of money. Over $2,000 USD is absolutely insane.
You got a source for this?
Get a load of Mr. Moneybags over here, having enough equity that he could mortgage something…
Yeah, still, id rather just go with a fairphone running linux. This whole phone and price tag is ridiculous, literally a monstrosity
I like GrapheneOS but I don’t like it that much. 2 thousand dollars… God damn.
What the fuck is the point? Like really what the fuck??? Just make an affordable phone is it really that fucking hard??? Sorry for cruising so much but what the actual fuck??? LiKe is it actually hard to conceptualize common sense now a-days??? Like girl we’re 27 and broke and your telling us not only of we want out of the hellscape of Apple vs Android bullshit we either gotta make out own phone or pay 2k€ for a fucking phone?! FOR A PHONE!!! We’ve only bought 1 new phone EVER only purchased pre-used phones and they’ve all been old and even this “new” phone was old when we got it 😭 we’ve been stuck on this shitty ios phone stuff too fucking long and been waiting for like any good android phone and was looking at this like holy shit finally AND NOW IT’S 2 FUCN K EUROS!!!
Another 5 years on the iPhone 12 mini ig
