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Summary
Ontario Premier Doug Ford warned that Canada could cut electricity exports to the U.S. in retaliation for Donald Trump’s new tariffs on Canadian goods.
The U.S. imposed a 25% tariff on most Canadian imports, citing border security concerns. Ford emphasized that U.S. states like New York and Michigan rely on Canadian energy and should “feel the pain.”
Canadian officials also announced $155 billion in counter-tariffs.
If enacted, energy restrictions would likely raise prices in the U.S., escalating trade tensions between the two countries.
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Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it… America needs to learn, I say this as an American.
Honestly, I don’t think there’s going back to any level of normal. Maybe by quickly destroying the system, we will be able to quickly rebuild it (after all the destruction to everyone’s lives)
Elon and Trump seem to be intentionally destroying the system, or are so profoundly stupid that they’ve pulled a “We did it Patrick! We saved the city!”
Honestly with those two I can never tell if they’re being dumb or malicious.
I can definitely tell that they are always being malicious. Sociopaths like them doesnt do humanitarian acts, it is always exclusively about themselves
Him blanket accusing a guy of pedophilia simply because he was getting more attention and didn’t wanna use a Musk made submarine was everything I needed to see to know he’d turn out like this
On the other hand, our formerly quasi-municipal energy company is now owned by a Canadian conglomerate. I’d not mind unwinding that.
Like it or not, we are all connected across North America.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump threatened military action in return, should Canada go forward with it. I mean, it sounds crazy to write it, but is it really too crazy for Trump?
Absolutely would not surprise me one bit.
Higher utilities will piss off a lot of anger prone people. Do it.
Awesome Canada!
Good for them, maybe our economy will collapse too, and an angry mob will storm the white house and kick Trump out. He can emergency evacuate to Russia, and we can find an administration that isn’t insane.
Heyy… a guy can dream.
Cept that is what the rich want. Shit to fall apart. Cuz then they get to buy shit up for cheap and consolidate even more wealth.
The rich aren’t going to be buying anything if the dollar is literally worthless. Hyperinflation is no joke.
The Rich™ want to buy the dip and buy up property (see project 2025). They need the economy to break but not to completely collapse. And then it will “bounce back” enough that they can transfer their USD to other currencies.
Whether trump’s fucking stupidity will accomplish that seems REAL questionable.
That said: Massive power outages (also, this is just the equivalent of a state governor with a crackhead brother saying it to appear strong to Canada’s conservatives) might be what this country needs to get out en masse in places other than the blue states.
With a dead crackhead brother you mean
Also, they won’t be buying anything if they become festive decorations on fences and lampposts across the country.
That works until their shit gets burned.
When the only things left to buy have to be built with hands and eyes, they will have to share the wealth with the rest of us.
Considering he won an undisputed election and at least a quarter of his base are gun nuts, plus police love to use excessive force & violence, that scenario would probably play out poorly for pretty much everyone. I would say try to show conservatives how terrible he really is, but that’s not going to happen in Lemmy. I’m not even conservative, I’m anti-authoritarian centrist but even I find this place extremely hostile to conversation with anyone who doesn’t embrace the group-think.
Nobody is going to support trump if the whole system collapses. We’ve seen it play out over and over across history.
If you take a shot at the king, you best not miss.
In reality, it isn’t shitty enough for people to revolt. 3 days of food scarcity and shit will happen that makes the French revolution look tame.
And that is when you stage a coup.
I wish we weren’t pinning our hopes on angry mobs. But you play the hand you are delt.
We won’t do shit until we are literally starving. Look right here at Lemmy, non-stop memes and stories about how what horrible economic shape we’re in. So how is everyone fat?! Meanwhile, I go to work and look at what’s for sale, at what prices, and think, “Jesus, people pay for this?!”
Even the Great Depression didn’t have us storming the White House. Think on that.
tl;dr: Americans aren’t near broke enough to band together.
The great depression had the bonus march. They camped in front of the white house and were dispersed with tear gas and cavalry charge led by Douglas MacArthur.
You say that but the other team went far into your capitol and they looked well nourished enough.
Very true.
But we’re speedrunning the fall of America.
Give it another year or two. You’ll start seeing widespread violence. We can only cross our fingers that it gets directed properly toward our traitorous government.
I’d prefer we do more than kick Trump out. Like…guillotine them all.
Broadcast it live on PBS!
This was just off by 50 years.
Yup.
It isn’t just Trump that has to go. It’s every traitorous Republican in Congress who have abdicated their responsibility to the Constitution and to every single U.S. citizen.
Feel free to get on with that angry mobbing.
sort of the best case scenario
Im still flabbergasted that so many people are just shrugging at what Trump is doing and saying, well, if only Kamala or the DNC did this or that instead. Maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess.
Leftists aren’t capable of self reflection.
I guess you proved your own point.
Oh, how disappointing, I thought leftists crossed a broad spectrum of thinking and many were annoyingly, mutually, critical.
Which semi-fictional political segment generalization is self-reflexive then?
Imagine thinking Harris is a leftist
I think you had a reading comprehension fail.
In general, the more a person brags about something, the less true it is — and Americans love to brag about how tough and free they are…
Best case Ontario.
Don’t get too excited. Ford loves to talk tough but he’s a fucking pussy.
We’ll see what actually happens. No one here is holding their breath.
Does he have anything in plan to protect Canadians rather than just revenge on the US? Like in BC they’re pushing the buy local, cutting down American liquor sales, and realloting some money to prep for what’s expected to be all the upcoming layoffs.
All I’ve seen from Ontario is Ford saying he’ll kick America’s ass metaphorically but is there anything in place to protect the local jobs that’d be lost if they were to cut off all that electricity?
LCBO is actively removing American products from shelves.
I do think there’s more technical problems related to decoupling a massive load from the grid, but Ford does seem to be following through with at least some of the promised retaliations. Time will tell if he keeps it up.
Hey pussies can take a pounding.
R.I.P. Betty White
Do it unilaterally without discussing with US.
Or even better: Discuss it with Ukraine, US gets no say in the deal. And if drumpf disagrees, the reply will be “you don’t want electricity.”
I actually had a good laugh at this… Then I had to login to my second account to up vote this twice.
… so that people probably die? Really?
Trump is “gambling with lives.” He’s “gambling with World War III.” He’s “showing major disrespect for the country, our country.”
He should say sorry. I haven’t heard him tell us “thank you” for anything this entire time.
What does that have to do with anything? There is nothing Trump can do or not do that changes the moral consequences of our actions that kill innocent people.
Be mad at trump
No mercy.
You people are fucked up. Literally brainwashed. This is what happens when people are trained from birth to be afraid of empathy so they never have to experience the pain of others. The dichotomy here isn’t whether or not to cut off power, it’s whether or not to do it in a planned way that permits people to not actually fucking die.
No mercy.
The only people who are dying are those who are trying to defend their country from a mad man intent on concurring them and those who are fighting in support of that mad man’s goal. Ukraine does not want to bow down to Putin’s tyranny. Putin should leave Ukraine to the Ukrainians, then the killing can stop.
They need to do this and make it absolutely clear that it is 100% Trump’s fault. They cannot be allowed to make the claim that canada did it unprovoked or for the lulz.
Trudeau got in front of the cameras today and spelled this out. Our government chose to take this action, and Canada is having an entirely reasonable response. Once the tarrifs end, we can go back to where we were, but in the meantime, Americans need to learn how much they rely on Canadian trade and need to understand that this is entirely our government’s fault.
There really is no way to back to where we were. We can only go forward from here. This is a bell that can’t be unrung.
Sadly, fox, oan and the usual right wing echo chambers aren’t gonna feed Trudeau’s message to their idiot masses. The people he reached are people that probably have at least half a clue what’s happening and who is responsible.
those “proaganda-tainment” isnt going to mention trumps tariffs negatively affecting maga voters. i distinctly remember almost none of them did when he put tariffs in effect the 1st term.
The people who voted for Trump or stayed home are not going to understand that. They are the snowflakes and so caught up in their feelings that they can’t be reasoned with.
Every day there’s more “leopards eating faces” stories and in pretty much every single one, the face-eaten dumbarses Don realize that what happened was part of the plan all along.
Ford’s “smile” masks the grim reality of trade wars hurting everyday citizens on both sides. Effectively summarizes the stakes and implications of Ford’s actions.
🐱🐱🐱🐱🐱
This headline makes it sound way more imminent than I’ve been lead to believe. The first order of business is just messing with things like Florida orange farms and Kentucky bourbon, then we might escalate.
I’m pretty sure Minnesota imports something like 60% of our energy - i’m at least glad we’re past the worst of the winter weather but holy fuck is it going to suck
One of Canada’s worst politicians says he’ll do something useful for once.
Incredible watching the downfall of American hegemony in real-time.
USian here, don’t think twice, fucking do it.
Do you mean American? Or am I having a stroke?
Mexicans and Canadians are also from North America, and, hence, are American.
If you went anywhere else in the world and said “I’m USian”, they wouldn’t know what you meant. You’d probably first say “I’m from the US”.
“USian” sounds terrible.
Okay, but have you considered that it sounds like I’m from an Ace Combat country if I say it?
No we’re not. Why are you speaking for other people?
Plus there’s all of South America. Also American.
Ya, all of South America just out here proud of Vespucci, the pickle dealer. First thing they say landing in Tokyo for a visit. “Hello, I’m American,” they say.
I think if you called Canadians or Mexicans “Americans” right now, they would be very offended.
Also, USian just sounds really fucking dumb.
I wouldn’t be offended, signed a canukian
Yeah, it does sound kinda dumb, but so are we
Speak for yourself.
Clearly USian is tongue in cheek. You’re taking it way too seriously. Like… WW3 is potentially on its way, I don’t think USian sounding stupid is something anyone cares about.
Yeah I don’t know about people from other countries in N and S America, but here in Canada American means from the United States of America. I’m North American, not American.
Nobody would ever say it in real life. That’s how you know it’s for the terminally online smug huggers.
In Spanish, as far as I know, “americano” = inhabitant of the American continent, “estadounidense” = person from the US, so I don’t think Mexicans would be offended at the first, at least not in Spanish.
It’s USAdian
Trump won’t care. Mostly hits blue states. He will probably cackle
Please please please only do this during the day. 8AM to 5PM. Don’t put the squeeze on the voters. They either didn’t vote for trump, or they were so dumb that they did vote for trump won’t understand why their electric bill went through the roof. Do this during the day to shut down the businesses that stumped for trump, sent him millions of dollars and bent the knee in the hopes the tax burden will get shifted further down the income scale.
But definitely do it!
Sorry. 24/7, just like the tariffs.
It will hurt. That’s the point. Maybe it’ll hurt enough that y’all DO something about the absolute fuckery happening down there. Canada didn’t ask for this shit.
I hate that this is where things are but pretty soon folks will need to get to the FO part of FAFO.
You can’t bomb people into loving you. A lesson hard learned in the Middle East.
Sure, you can run those tariffs 24/7, and it would be totally in your sovereign right to do so. However, that’s not going to change anything. Trump may be a blithering idiot, but the Peter Thiels and Stephen Millers feeding him all those “bright ideas” certainly knew that equal tariffs from Canada would be the response. The line here will be “Canada is attacking you, and shutting off your power”, and the trump supporters will gag themselves choking down that line of rhetoric as hard and as fast as possible. Thats not going to solve the tariffs problem for Canada though, it will only make it worse.
If you want revenge, equal tariffs. If you wanna actually stick it to the people that stuck you and force them to backtrack, go after the businesses bottom line.
You can’t bomb people into loving you
That’s what Canada needs to teach Trump. It’s needs to be 24/7 or else he thinks he got away with it.
Damn… your comment being at zero upvotes is making me realize just how much everyone hates us. I know zero isn’t really anything on the surface. But I would’ve thought your comment would resonate a little.
But naw, everyone is, rightfully, just fearing for their countries right now and wants to, understandably, punish.
I fucking hate my country rn, I protested today even. But I know we’re in a bad spot and I kinda looked to countries like Canada as our last hope in defeating the pieces of shit running our country.
Guess I was delusional that they would still prioritize us “good” ones and keep us safe. But like… why? Why would they?
Oh well, no one who’s lived in a collapsing empire throughout history wanted to. And a lot of people died, and they probably didn’t want to lol.
I hope I don’t die, but I hope for good to prevail more. And if I die in the process of the defeat of this fucked country, and the world order that follows is something better. So be it… shits rough.
What right isn’t always popular, and what’s popular isn’t always right.
I can’t blame people who just got slapped with a CoL increase because the great orange leader of the dipshit bigot brigade needed neded new meat to toss to his base. If you’re throwing punches everywhere, some bystanders are gonna get bloody noses though.
This all just seems incredibly sad to me. As a nation, it sounds like the fight has been completely beaten out of you all, so much so that you’re afraid of even a little pain, vote based on empty promises and sound bites, and blame each other instead of yourselves.
You all traded your freedom for convenience. You’re like flowers, opened wide, waiting for rain rather than vines that seek.
Best of luck to you all. We have to prepare ourselves, as members of the global economy, for this economic fallout. I’m prepared to fight and suffer, if I have to protect my own way of life.
Pain is fine. Pain is deserved. Pain needs to either be felt as a whole or target the most deserving.
But shutting off electricity mainly affects people without any power (😁) and that had the awareness to vote against this horror. Trump and co will just laugh “see the poor snowflake liberals what happens when they import clean electricity instead of good old American coal”.
I can’t argue that we don’t deserve it but I can hope for something more likely to help make a difference
That’s exactly right; the policies that your government is putting forward only hurts middle and lower class on both sides of the border.
Honestly, the only way to overthrow a dictatorship is to roll heads. They’re not going to be voted out, that’s for sure.
I think about what the Dutch did to the De Witt brothers for selling out their territory to the enemy. They were hung upside down with broken legs, sliced up. stabbed, fingers and toes cut off, faces cut off, genitals cut off, then disemboweled them alive.
I personally prefer the big bagel slicer option but to each their own.
Trump’s tariffs don’t just apply to business hours. Americans need to feel the pain that Canadians will.
Sure, if you want to have fair tariffs.
If you want to have effective tariffs that reverse trumps policy, then you need to be more selective.
I disagree. If people are comfortable, they won’t want to change the status quo.
Don’t put the squeeze on the voters. They either didn’t vote for trump, or they were so dumb that they did vote for trump won’t understand why their electric bill went through the roof.
The whole point of democracy is the voters have an impact. If nothing changes for the voters don’t be surprised when they vote for the same party next time.
70% of American voters allowed Trump to be elected by either voting for him or not voting. Only a minority of 30% tried to stand against him. I hope Trump has a hell of an impact on the 70%. Every one that cries that they voted for him but have lost their job or whatever fully deserve it. Nothing he is doing now wasn’t known before the election. None of it is a surprise. The only surprise is that 70% of Americans supported him destroying their country.
