You must log in or # to comment.
Another member of the cool guy club guitar riff
Fentanyl was prohibited on Ulbricht’s website.
Doubt
Ok show me a screenshot of fentanyl for sale there
You want a screenshot of the site that doesn’t exist?
Yes, like the other reply
Can you source this? I can’t find any links that talk about fentanyl sales being banned. The site sold thousands of drugs/gold/bitcoin/cash/ids/hacking tools, on and on:
Banning a popular drug seems unlikely. Testing to make sure people weren’t selling it anyway certainly never happened.
Anything to “harm or defraud”. It was not a popular drug - it was fraudulently added to other drugs, making a greater profit at the expense of customer lives. Middlemen and even some end users were expected to purchase testing kits from third parties.
For what it’s worth, banning fentanyl is still common.
Your wiki link doesn’t list fentanyl in that section:
In March 2013, the site had 10,000 products for sale by vendors, 70% of which were drugs.[19][79] Drugs were grouped under the headings stimulants, psychedelics, prescription, precursors, other, opioids, ecstasy, dissociatives, and steroids/PEDs.[15][14][80][81] Fake driver’s licenses were also offered for sale.[82] The site’s terms of service prohibited the sale of certain items. When the Silk Road marketplace first began, the creator and administrators instituted terms of service that prohibited the sale of anything whose purpose was to “harm or defraud”.[14][83] This included child pornography, stolen credit cards, assassinations, and weapons of any type.
The bans look pretty explicit, and fentanyl isn’t one of them. Fentanyl is a wildly powerful opioid, which silk road seemed glad to sell. The site specifically allowed the sale of thousands of opiates of varying potency.
Your second link discusses how known fentanyl sellers were traced to silk road drug sellers bitcoin wallets:
This is likely not a new trend, and numerous vendors possibly also deal with other drug substances alongside fentanyl. Vendor clusters with Bitcoin payments to fentanyl suppliers have also been identified interacting with dark web marketplaces that have since gone offline, such as Silk Road and Hydra.
These links dont support that fentanyl was directly banned on Silk road. They actually show that fentanyl was likely commonly sold on Silk road in one form or another.
All drugs should be legal and regulated.
Decriminalised use/possession, for sure.
But I always think the libertarian “just legalise all the drugs” is just odd.
Regulated? So you mean preventing people from taking really stupid shit? Sounds great sign me up lol
People gotta accept there are trade-offs to living in a society, and one of those is that there’s a limit to which we allow each other to get high. Because there are some drugs that make people aggressive, and I personally think these ought to be curtailed where possible. (Again, not a “war on drugs” style curtailment. But distribution, still illegal and criminal)
You wanna take shit like meth? Cool, go out to the woods and never use socialised medicine where workers are at risk from people on such drugs, or just randoms walking down the street.
I don’t think taking hard drugs should put you in prison, or even give you a criminal record, but actually legalising the distribution? Nah. Go live in the woods/hills away from everyone else.
Because there are some drugs that make people aggressive, and I personally think these ought to be curtailed where possible. (Again, not a “war on drugs” style curtailment. But distribution, still illegal and criminal)
The first such drug that comes to my mind is alcohol. Its distribution was also criminalized in the past, eventually leading to an increase in organized crime.
There is of course nuance to this, and I don’t claim to be an expert on classifying drugs. Though, I don’t reckon I need to try to hard to argue that there are drugs far worse than alcohol out there. I’m simply stating a blanket “all drugs should be legal” is overkill.
Alcohol certainly is ripe for abuse, also.
Drug criminalization pushes use into the shadows so that the most visible use is from those who are very loud and disruptive with it. I know you think you’re righteous with your “i don’t reckon i need to try to(sic) hard to argue” but you are operating on assumptions about substances borne of ignorance.
I’m not arguing for criminalisation of use and posession.
Just making distribution of all drugs legal is overkill, in my opinion
I don’t really fully agree with the person you are responding too, but the level of aggression brought about from Meth use is significantly more potent and consistent compared to Alcohol, which is a little more variable depending on the person using it.
I don’t know if Meth use should constitute total exile from society, especially if you are trying to get off of it. Its a highly addictive drug and usually people use it because of a state of being deprived and desperate of any joy in life.
This is a misunderstanding, apologies. I’m saying if you’re advocating complete legalisation of distribution of every single drug out there, then I’m using hyperbole to point out that this is too much “freedom to” without considering “freedom from”.
I think all drug use should be decriminalised.
holy shit I can’t believe I’m agreeing with a .ml user about something
Tankies and libs are both authoriatians supporting different but co-dependent empires.
They’re basically the same thing.
Not all .ml are the same 😇
True, but none of them can say bitch
I’m new here, does .ml users have a special reputation or what?
deleted by creator
Tankies on .ml
tankies are everywhere
I honestly never heard the term “tankie” before a few days ago. What is it? Extremist communists?
Tankies are fans of authoritarianism masquerading as communism.
The term comes from the famous Tiananmen Square image.Edit: I was misinformed
Thanks!
The term comes from the famous Tiananmen Square image.
This is wrong. It seems like libs trying to retrofit their sinophobia?
The term comes from the USSR invasion of Hungary.
That’s pretty much it, yeah. It’s worth noting, there is a lot of animosity on here, particularly from .world, for .ml and .hexbear instances. Both are heavily communist, far left communities, and get a bad rep because they are known for not accommodating liberal or other not as left viewpoints. This was particularly heated around the election with disagreements about voting for liberals vs protest voting.
Fwiw I’m a strong believer if we are to organize against literal fascism we will need the liberal and the farther left to find enough common ground to work together. It’s a…work in progress on here.
db0 (my instance and @Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.com’ ) is a leftist anarchist instance and I’d say the animosity towards tankies is even stronger here.
it’s not anything to do with liberals vs leftists it’s that they handwave genocide and other atrocities as “western propaganda” and worship lennin and mao and stalin and north korea and so on and so forth.
I would have organized against Harris because that would have been easier. I’m not looking to get shot by brown shirts in the street.
…pardoned…Ross Ulbricht…
Good. He should have been free the whole time.
https://reason.com/2018/07/25/ross-ulbrichts-murder-for-hire-charges-d/
Yea, there are so many other guys, that he pardoned, which are way worse…
A broken clock is right twice a day.
Facts.
The giy who got caught trying to hire a hitman?
No. The guy who was never convicted of that charge, which was dropped, and those agents were convicted of massive corruption. That guy.
https://reason.com/2018/07/25/ross-ulbrichts-murder-for-hire-charges-d/
I’m not reading anything from Reason, or any ither Libertarian rag
Your choice, I won’t force you to read it, keep spreading misinformation all you want. It’s there for any who actually want to learn about his case and find out those charges were dropped and the agents convicted themselves.
I love that the left loves the war on drugs just to own the conservatives. The two are more alike than they think.
Before pardon: Free Ross
Wrong president does it: Wait akshully the corrupt cops that were convicted were right even though he was acquitted of those charges for lack of evidence!
Fucking mind boggling. Like fuck me I don’t like the annoying orange either but this was the right move, he never should have been in jail (at all, end the drug war, but…) especially not “for life” for the crime of running a website.
And free fucking Snowden while we’re here, goddamn.
First time hearing that I like the war on drugs that I’ve so violently despised my entire life to fulfill a petty political agenda.
I’m glad we have you here to correctly interpret what we think and believe! I bet you have many more similar gold nuggets that you can pull out of your colon.
For the whole drug exchange platform fair enough it might have beeneoverkill. But we are still talking about a guy who was up for killing people on his way. Not sure they are the best for society
It’s always been nothing but smoke and mirrors with Trump
The thing he cares about is making you think he cares
The grift is always his focus
Fentanyl is so bad it is prohibied even on deep web illegal marketplaces. Do some research before spreading lies. A lot of stuff was not allowed on the silk road.
Where are the lies in the OP that I spread?
It’s technically the truth but it’s misleading. Silk road wasn’t that bad
deleted by creator
If any of these worthless politicians actually gave a shit about drug abuse, they would end prohibition and offer basic social services.
Never gonna happen regardless of the politician’s brand.
All research and successful drug policy shows that treatment should be increased and law enforcement decreased while abolishing mandatory minimum sentences
THEY’RE TRYING TO BUILD A PRISON
for you and me to live in!
I will never understand how ruining someones life because they are using drugs is supposed to help them get off of drugs.
Edit: don’t get me wrong, it’s great that this has been researched, but it seems so obvious.
Only black people. White people are using fentanyl, so they’re attacking the dealers now
Shit, Ross is a mfing hero in my eyes. Fuck prohibition.
Fucker tried to murder other people, including the roommates of his employees.
Then he should have been tried and convicted on that charge. Instead, he was given a sentence that was disproportionate to his charges.
Ross did hire hit men though…
Did this stupid mother fucker really refer to the Prime Minister of Canada as “governor”? Can’t tell if pushing the 51st state bullshit or he’s just that fucking dumb!
Carpet bomb them with inaccuracies and they’ll spend too much time correcting you to keep up.
He thinks speaking diminutively to people automatically puts him in a position of power over them
It’s an insecurity issue common with bullying
I wish people would start responding by referring to him as “washed up reality TV personality Trump”, or even better, “convinced felon Trump”
It’s great because unlike “Governor Trudeau”, it’s actually true
He has been for a while now, which is actually a violation of the US’ nato obligations. But who care anymore, the US is no longer an ally.
Edit: it also violates a ton of border treaties, and half a doze international agreements the US has benefited from for a long time. But just with NATO:
Key points of the treaty
- The parties agree to settle disputes peacefully
- The parties agree to refrain from using force in a way that goes against the United Nations’ goals
- The parties agree to consider an attack on one of them as an attack on all of them
- The parties agree to consult about threats and defense matters
- The parties agree to safeguard the freedom, common heritage, and civilization of their peoples
- The parties agree to promote stability and well-being in the North Atlantic area
Threatening Canada violates all of these and then some.
Trudeau should call him Mayor, or even better, “Convicted Rapist and Felon”.
He’s more subtle. He’s been calling him just “Donald”.
Thanks, I missed that.
Canada at least has a “Governor-General” who is appointed by the British monarch.
Edit: like several other commonwealth states, Canada is a completely separate country from the United Kingdom. It just happens, by law, that King Charles III is the king of all of them.
When talking about what Charles III is doing in relation to Canada in his position a king, we’re supposed to refer to him as the monarch of Canada, we just don’t tend to do it because he doesn’t live here full time.
Rule by the man with the thickest fingers is no basis for a system of governance!
That’s not what “completely separate” means…
Look, when the King of Canada, or his Governor General, perform official acts for Canada, they use the Great Seal of Canada, not the Great Seal of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. It’s totally different, I promise.
And Trudeau called him “a special American, […] Donald” :D
I’m sure that’s been intentional.
Both, he honestly believes that he will take Canada and Trudeau will be demoted to a governor somehow.
It’s the new “we’ll build a wall, and mexico will pay for it” - a clause so dumb that people will complain about that, unknowingly tugging “normalcy” a step in that direction.
Another garbage pardon by garbage people. Why does he like criminals soo much!? Oh yeah, he is one himself.
I guess the silver lining is that we can recognize no one single entity should be allowed this discretion to pardon people. Donald Cuck’s abuse of this privilege helps us realize that is should not be a privilege at all.
As much as I hate Trump, I don’t think this is the “gotcha” it is being portraied as by this tweet. Silk Road was one of the best things to happen for the “safer use” movement of all time. The ability to not have to deal with shady street dealers and order from darknet suppliers on a platform that had legitimate reviews and an escrow system was a huge improvement to the safety of drugs users. It meant a much lower risk of contaminated drugs or getting scammed out of your money.
Of course Ross allegedly also attempted to hire a hitman, which is how he got caught, cause the hitman was an undercover agent, so he allegedly is not a good guy regardless of how you think about him helping people get access to cleaner drugs, but that’s besides the point the author of the tweet is trying to make
People died from overdoses not to mention lots more ruined lives. I get you like the idea of drugs that are safer to order but that does not make it a good thing.
Also lots of child pornography, murder for hire, human trafficking, and all kinds of other shitty things took place. So yeah, not exactly a good thing.
lots of child pornography, murder for hire, human trafficking,
Are you talking about silk road? Is this some lib conspiracy that I haven’t heard? I think you need to read something based in reality.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_(marketplace)
Sorry to burst your bubble, but this guy was a real piece of shit that created a platform for all kinds of garbage and knew about it the whole time. I guess if you become rich, suddenly you are a good guy.
People die from overdoses every day without the Silk Road so I don’t know where you get off making that argument.
And in what world is safer drugs NOT a good thing?
And I’m pretty sure every social media service has had problems with everything you listed at the bottom.
When someone facilitates the selling of illicit unregulated substances that cause the death of others they are often held responsible. Pretty sure that’s how it is supposed to work.
I get it, you want to have an illegal unregulated illicit drug market and you don’t care who it harms. Pretty sure that makes you a POS unless I am missing something.
Silk Road did not offer child pornography, weapons, people or hitman services. Ross Ulbricht did not hire a hitman to kill his roommate. He was framed by the FBI and the roommate was coerced into helping stage the murder. The roommate later appologized and tried to get Ulbricht out of prison. Don’t believe all the propaganda. Drugs are dangerous, but law inforcement is always more dangerous.
Pardoning Ulbricht is the incredibly thin silver lining of Trump’s presidency. These drug war advocates talk like they really believe this problem can be solved with criminal justice, meanwhile they defund harm reduction education and make healthcare inaccessible. It’s diabolical.
I had never heard of him or the Silk Road. I just looked it up and it seems like there was some benefit to creating a place where people could find drugs without the dangerous human encounters that can happen during these sales but it also said that the site was used to trade in illegal weapons, hacking tools and tutorials, hit men for hire and other unlawful goods and services. Doesn’t sound like much of a silver lining to me. More like an aluminum lining.
Would you trade in weapons or hacking tools? Those are societal problems and locking up a single person makes literally zero difference to that problem. The reality is that there are now many competing sites offering the same items and worse. The opioid crisis in America was created by literally one family, the Sackler’s, why aren’t they in prison? This is a justice system that behaves like a banana republic.
Your agreement could be used for the crime of mass shootings. It’s a societal problem, what’s the use in locking up one person?
I think if it’s true, he should be locked up AND the Sacklers right next to him.
This is a criminal justice system where penalties scale with skin colour and inversely with wealth. They got pissy with Ulbricht due to the sheer scale of the manhunt required to get one person, a vast sum was spent that could have been spent on healthcare and harm reduction. They don’t actually care about the damage that drugs do or rehabilitation, this is about punishment. Everyone needs to take responsibility for their actions, except wealthy white people.
hit men for hire
There were no hitmen for hire on silk road.
Removed by mod
Ulbricht was a sack of shit. He tried to hire several hitmen to kill agents investigating his stuff. He isn’t someone you want to get behind.
He tried to hire several
hitmenfederal agents to kill agents investigating his stuff.In Ross’ defense people should defend themselves from violent prohibitionists who lock encage, torture, and murder people.
Prohibitionists are the true sacks of shit. Endlessly profiting from drugs and violence.
…prohibiting the sale of child pornography, weapons, and drugs. But I see you’re neatly setting some of these aside.
The war on drugs is not ethical and the very last people I will get behind are law enforcement. The case against Ulbricht was a tissue of lies and fabrication.
There are about 3000 and three other pardons that were way worse
Pardoning him was however a good thing, given price gouging regarding medications
What does that have to do with Ulbrecht??
Edit: to be clear, darknet markets still exist, and never stopped existing. You don’t need to pardon someone convicted of attempted murder for this.
I’m going to guess there were prescription meds available on SR. The danger is, if they weren’t going through FDA or any oversight, it’s very possible they were some other “mix” containing addictive substances.
The actual danger is that the system is denying people medications so they need to get them on the black market.
