There’s way more evidence that Americans want far left policies

Not according to the election results.

Problem is that Americans are soooooooo politically uneducated it’s scary

Doesn’t this increase the chances of a leftist losing?

I don’t think we should risk another 4 years with GOP/Trump candidate based on your opinion.

One side is fascist and deporting anyone and everyone, not to mention the coup and anti science that is going to kill so many people. I could go on and on about the differences between them.

Just because rich and powerful people have been successful at controlling our politicians doesn’t mean both parties have the same goals.

All political parties and system are susceptible to corruption.

If nothing but leftists and progressives won every election going forward, some of them would end up being influenced by lobbyist and special interest groups. Whether it be through bribery, gifts, blackmail, threats of violence, promises of more jobs or whatever.

I disagree

So you do notice any differences now that Trump is in office?

So if I ask if you are on Trump’s side or Harris’ side you would say both sides are the same…

This is Russia using Tulsi and other politicians they own to dismantle our intelligence from the inside.

Money makes or breaks elections.

I think Dems would’ve lost by much more if they didn’t work with the rich, the military industry, etc.

No, Trump won because of foreign influence primarily from Russia. Also he had help from the billionaire class and the GOP propaganda machine.

Together they were able to tip the scales by less than what Trump lost by in 2020.

They accomplished this by convincing democratic voters to either not vote or to vote for Trump.

How do you know who influenced Obama’s decisions?

If Trump and the GOP accomplish their goals there will not be any more “rounds” or elections.

This is the reason it’s a bad strategy

In this context, “valid strategy” = everyone is worse off, protestors get the opposite of what they wanted and fascist gain power.

In this context, “punishing the other player” = punishing yourself.

The timing, the fact that it was only used against democrats is a sign that the GOP will use it to their advantage.

The way it was done is also an issue. In this context, the message of the protest was that democrats needed to give the protestors what they want. Otherwise democrats wouldn’t get votes from the protestors. Resulting in the protestors helping Trump get elected.

Democrats have constituents that do not agree with those protestors and so democrats would’ve lost votes by giving into the protestors. Resulting in the protestors helping Trump get elected in this outcome also.

In my opinion, supporters of a party should express what they want changed by engaging with their politicians.

The only time that won’t work with a politician is if their intel indicates they gain more votes by not making those changes.

In that scenario, the supporters need to accept that the majority rules in a democracy and vote for the lesser of two evils because that is in the best interest of those supporters.

Instead what happened was protestors cut off their nose to spite their face and now things are much worse as a result.

So if Trump wasn’t the candidate that trump is, he wouldn’t have won? I mean he was Trump tho.

This statement indicates you think Trump won because of who he is.

My statement points out it is not because of who he is but instead because Russia chose to interfere in elections.

In other words, if Trump dies today, Russia would find another person to fill his place and would use the same propaganda tactics to help get them into a position of power.

This is because Trump is a puppet. Your comment was evidence you don’t understand that that is why he won.

Every candidate will have criticisms.

Every politician will amplify their opponent’s criticism to impact election results.

Validating concern trolls isn’t the solution.

Getting everyone to vote in everyone’s best interest is.

Allowing the GOP to gain more power and end democracy is unproductive.

Trump has been trying to become president since 2000 and he has been talking about it since the 80s. It wasn’t until Russia got involved with their propaganda machine that he was able to start his cult.

Without Russian support he wouldn’t be anybody.

Not all voters agreed with those protests. Arguably, the candidate would’ve lost by more if they listened to the protests and addressed the issues that were brought up.

What we can’t argue about is the fact that the protests hurt voter turnout and now Trump is the president.

Maybe if it wasn’t Trump and fascism on the line.

But in this context you’re referring to the prevention of fascism as “unproductive”.

That is exactly how it works. Criticizing the better option of the two will reduce turnout for that candidate. That’s the whole purpose of political campaigns.

That’s how Trump got elected. We had a better option but people complained so much that the worse option won.

Your attempt to claim both sides are as similar as Hitler and Himmler is an obvious bad faith argument of “both sides are the same”.

If Trump didn’t have the help of foreign nations, the billionaire class, voter suppression, the GOP, etc. Harris would’ve won in 2024, and Biden would’ve won in 2020 without Covid.