thanks for the clarity!

do you have any links to share about it?

thanks!

im a developer im not much of an expert on licences of any kind. i created code and decided to open source it here: https://github.com/positive-intentions/chat . when i say the close source app is “based on” the open source code, i hope it doesnt undermine that it itself is a fully functional p2p messaging system (im of the opinion that all projects will always need refinement). anyone with issues about close-source code should take a look at the open-srouce version. its basically more functional but it seems too complex to maintain as open source andd thus this new project.

id like to offer the statics as a zipped folder. this is in the roadmap, but the code will be minified and obfuscated. about as opaque as possible for “source available”. i dont know much on the matter, but id like to learn more about if this can be made into libre software. its hardly modifyable or studyable.

while i dont want you to “trust me bro”, i am actively developing it and improving the functionality. so that static bundle will have to be build by the CI/CD and it will update along with the app. it goes without saying, the project is not mature enough to have things like security audits.

thanks! for your feedback there! ahh the connection bugs. unfortunately this is is one of the trickier bugs. im working towards fixing that asap. i have an idea of a fix, but im trying to avoid rewriting a core piece. have you tried closing the app on both devices and trying again (sorry, i know its a bit cliche).

if its not a secret, can you maybe tell me more about your LAN setup for me to set something up and try? i certainly aim for it to “just work”.

I’m no expert on the matter of licences either. I made the open source code some bsd licence because some of the dependencies called for it.

I created some code and made some open source. I don’t have to apply that to all my projects.

If interested in how it works and to see code examples, this project is based on my beefier open-source code seen here: https://github.com/positive-intentions/chat

I tried foss. I couldn’t get it to work so i’m trying something different.

We’ve all been burnt.

Just to be clear, my own open source code. Yes.

Strong title needed for strong claims.

Its based on open source code. https://github.com/positive-intentions/chat . I’d be happy for feedback on that too.

Webrtc would be able to outperform all other methods for transfer speed (useful for when sending larger files)

I’m sure there is a market for eople who want to transfer files. With a zero-installation, zero-registration, it should make it easy for people to get started.

Hey. I’m the dev.

this project is an investigation into monetization by going close source (to create something competitive).

A separate but related chat project is a beefier version for the functionality seen in the parent post. Id be interested to get feedback on it just as much.

https://github.com/positive-intentions/chat

Thanks for the empassioned speech/statement!

Perhaps you’d be interested in one of my open source projects. It’s a beefier version of the app presented in the parent post.

https://github.com/positive-intentions/chat

On the point about open source, it isn’t easy to pull off. I can confirm it isn’t the case that open-source be flooded with some kind of collective community review/support. It’s been an option for the chat app for a while and I’ve tried actively promoting it, it’s clear that the project is simply too complicated.

I’m a bit disappointed in how hard I tried on the open source project for it to not get the traction I wanted. To create somthing close-source and competitive in the file-transfer space is only logical at this point.

I’m sure with an enthusiastic speech like that, you’re doing your part for supporting the open source community. Unfortunately I couldn’t figure out how to get it to filter down to me.

I’m in the process of rebranding and moving domains, so the documentation links are broken. You can try the search. it seems to work reasonably well. A good place to start could be from here:

https://positive-intentions.com/docs/research/authentication#authentication-sequence

Feel free to reach out for clarity on anything.

I haven’t heard of Dibbles. Can you point me to their site?

Nice! Can you tell me more about zero-knowledge encryption?

In my app I’m using asymmetric encryption to exchange a symmetric encryption key (Diffie-helman). I’m curious about other approaches for P2P authentication.

Thanks!

Here is the foss equivalent of this project: https://github.com/positive-intentions/chat

Unfortunately, open source isn’t sustainable. I’m investigating close-source as a way to create something competitive. My plan is to try to sell it on the Play store.

As for pairdrop, their approach to peer discovery relies on knowing the network you’re connected to. This makes it easy to find peers in cases where you use the same WiFi network. In mine I’m using WebRTC to allow connections over the internet. Peer discovery is achieved by using crypto-random IDs exchanged as a link or QR code.

Ultimately it’s worth noting my app is a work in progress and not ready to replace existing apps or services. I hope I can update the UX to make the functionality as seamless as pairdrop.

This is using the WebRTC protocol. As a webapp it’s immediately good to go, there isn’t a need to run something like a FTP server.

Of course limitations apply like sending larger files nukes my ram… But I after it’s sent, it seems to settle down.

I have a weird setup with open and closed source.

I have open source examples of this code in action. If interested: https://github.com/positive-intentions/chat

I’m trying to keep it vanilla. I’m using module federation (love it or hate it), to get it from this repo.

https://github.com/positive-intentions/cryptography

Thanks!

Perhaps you’d like to give feedback on a separate but similar foss project: https://github.com/positive-intentions/chat

thanks for you thoughts.

i previously didnt have the “unstable” warning. this results is people saying that i should make it more clear. i think the project is in its early enough stages for it to be sensible to include there. im already planning on breaking changes which could make things worse so this is something i hope make it clear to users about the status of the project. before i had that notice, i would get complains from people that the app is terrible and doesnt work (which was basically true because it still is a work in progress and full of bugs.). i added a bit of a polish on it so it leads people to think its a finished product.

im looking for contributors on the dim repo because there part things i would like to do (and tried), but reached the limits of what i understand. i can learn and figure it out if i pour more time into it, but i have already poured time into it. im hoping someone with relevent experience would want to help.

im hoping to get a following on lemmy, mastodon, reddit in order to get traction on the projects. as it stand its just me and so its a bit of an uphill to get traction on something like the chat project. what you might be interpreting as ego, is a mannerism i have to adopt if i want to actively promote it as being a “secure chat system”. otherwise, feedback is a lot more dismissive about the project. that would surely sink the project immidiately.

im a developer not a sales person… but since working on these project ive learnt to moderate how cautious my tone should be to balance the communication of technical details as well as promoting something. i dont think i do the best job of it, but im still in the learning process.

https://github.com/positive-intentions/chat https://github.com/positive-intentions/dim

i dont think my documentation is as clear as it could be, but i dont think its unclear: https://positive-intentions.com/blog/dim-functional-webcomponents

i think i have put efforts towards a good landing page, readme, documentation etc. id appriciate if you critique those.

Thanks for input. I think it could still work without js-painting given that it’s using the customElement.define().

I’m aiming for something that looks and behaves like react, but without the overhead of the react tooling for transpiling.